🦋 Welcome to the MAIN() IRC channel of the Raku Programming Language (raku.org). This channel is logged for the purpose of keeping a history about its development | evalbot usage: 'm: say 3;' or /msg camelia m: ... | Log inspection is getting closer to beta. If you're a beginner, you can also check out the #raku-beginner channel!
Set by lizmat on 25 August 2021.
Xliff I don't think zef buffers or is compatible with programs like less 00:00
Why are you trying to page --help?
coleman: Yeah, --help outputs to STDERR, which isn't what less uses to pagte. 00:01
s/pagte/page/
Try doing this: "zef --help 2>&1 | less" 00:02
coleman stderr, gotcha
is that a perlism? most programs print help to stdout 00:04
i needed a pager becuase i was in a wee terminal window :)
00:07 reportable6 left 00:10 reportable6 joined
moon-child I think it's fairly common to output help to stderr 00:12
01:10 evalable6 left, linkable6 left 01:11 evalable6 joined, linkable6 joined 02:06 frost joined 03:06 reportable6 left, sourceable6 left, greppable6 left, benchable6 left, notable6 left, linkable6 left, statisfiable6 left, coverable6 left, unicodable6 left, tellable6 left, evalable6 left, shareable6 left, nativecallable6 left, bloatable6 left, committable6 left, quotable6 left, bisectable6 left, releasable6 left, benchable6 joined, nativecallable6 joined, bloatable6 joined 03:07 sourceable6 joined, reportable6 joined, notable6 joined, tellable6 joined, releasable6 joined, committable6 joined 03:08 greppable6 joined, statisfiable6 joined, bisectable6 joined, quotable6 joined, shareable6 joined 03:09 coverable6 joined, evalable6 joined, linkable6 joined, unicodable6 joined 04:01 whaaat joined
whaaat hello 04:09
04:14 whaaat left 05:05 dwarring left 05:55 Oshawott joined 06:06 reportable6 left 06:08 reportable6 joined
moritz btw since bash 4 you can write "zef --help |& less" 06:33
06:39 abraxxa joined 06:43 abraxxa left 06:44 abraxxa joined 07:09 japhb joined 07:22 Sgeo left 08:01 holyghost joined 08:08 eseyman left 08:09 eseyman joined 08:26 mexen joined
nine moritz: nice! 08:33
Nemokosch what does it do exactly? 08:34
08:34 Nemokosch joined
nine From bash(1): "If |& is used, command's standard error, in addition to its standard output, is connected to command2's standard input through the pipe; it is shorthand for 2>&1 |." 08:35
Nemokosch quite peculiar syntax ngl 08:37
09:13 abraxxa left 09:40 abraxxa joined 09:41 jjido joined 09:53 abraxxa left 09:54 abraxxa joined 10:03 abraxxa left 10:04 jjido left 10:24 abraxxa joined 11:15 abraxxa left, abraxxa joined 11:27 vrurg joined 11:28 vrurg_ left 11:32 Nemokosch left 11:58 discord-raku-bot left 11:59 discord-raku-bot joined 12:07 reportable6 left 12:10 reportable6 joined, gcd joined 12:20 perlbot left 12:21 simcop2387 left, simcop2387 joined 12:22 perlbot joined 12:31 jjido joined 12:36 perlbot left 12:38 perlbot joined 12:39 Sankalp- joined 12:40 Sankalp left, Sankalp- is now known as Sankalp
lizmat and yet another Rakudo Weekly News hits the Net: rakudoweekly.blog/2022/05/30/2022-...-timeline/ 12:49
synthmeat lizmat: i don't care much about this but just a bit of unsolicited feedback - i liked previous (newsletter) styling better! it was a beaut. 12:51
lizmat hmmm... previous week? I don't think I change the styling? 12:52
13:09 ocomporto left 13:10 jjido left
synthmeat lizmat: [2022.16/7, *> 13:17
13:19 morte_ joined
lizmat I don't see a difference in styling? 13:19
synthmeat: what are you reading it on? 13:24
Anton Antonov @lizmat Thanks for the "Complete Timeline" ! 13:30
13:31 dextercd joined 13:51 guifa joined
guifa o/ 13:51
14:00 Guest35 joined 14:04 frost left
synthmeat lizmat: gmail app on ios, and mail app on macos. both the same. i'll query you two dropbox links before and after screenshots 14:11
lizmat aahh... so it's in the mail version of the weekly... 14:12
weird... I see what you mean now 14:13
I guess I will need to take a subscription to my own blog to monitor that 14:14
synthmeat yay, communication successful! 14:15
synthmeat goes back to handling a ddos
lizmat good luck! 14:17
synthmeat no luck needed! www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLo-NZBLkr8 14:19
tbrowder El_Che: hi, just installed rakudo_pkg on a new debian host and got a /etc/profile.d/rakudo-pkg.sh with a different path to zef than was actually installed 14:27
actual zef location: /opt/rakudo-pkg/share/perl6/site/bin/zef 14:31
rakudo-pkg.sh path: /opt/rakudo-pkg/share/perl6/bin 14:36
i just looked at another, older host and same thing 14:38
maybe i messed up the curl incantation... 14:39
14:44 kaskal- is now known as kaskal
kiti_nomad[m] what is zef called in ubuntu? 14:59
15:03 razetime joined
kiti_nomad[m] uploaded an image: (188KiB) < libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/d.../image.png > 15:04
15:08 Sgeo joined
ugexe maybe its raku-zef 15:08
packages.ubuntu.com/kinetic/raku-zef 15:09
i think github.com/nxadm/rakudo-pkg provides more update to date raku ubuntu packages as well 15:10
cloudsmith.io/~nxadm-pkgs/repos/ra...ormats-deb 15:11
kiti_nomad[m] sudo raku -I. bin/zef install . 15:19
15:31 vrurg left, vrurg joined 16:04 japhb left 17:04 shareable6 left, nativecallable6 left, greppable6 left, sourceable6 left, reportable6 left, unicodable6 left, statisfiable6 left, benchable6 left, tellable6 left, quotable6 left, releasable6 left, coverable6 left, evalable6 left, committable6 left, bloatable6 left, bisectable6 left, linkable6 left, notable6 left, bisectable6 joined 17:05 shareable6 joined, bloatable6 joined, committable6 joined, releasable6 joined, notable6 joined 17:06 coverable6 joined, evalable6 joined, quotable6 joined, sourceable6 joined, greppable6 joined, statisfiable6 joined, benchable6 joined, nativecallable6 joined, reportable6 joined, linkable6 joined 17:07 unicodable6 joined, tellable6 joined 17:09 p6steve joined 17:17 avuserow joined 17:18 razetime left
p6steve Coke: routine splice is provided by class Array 17:28
I would voat for an immutable(functional) splice like this www.npmjs.com/package/immutable-splice 17:29
so instead of returning the removed items, it returns the new result 17:30
I guess the limitation today is that splice needs to change the length of the Array and Lists have fixed length 17:34
so the new isplice could be a List routine
17:43 mexen left 17:46 Kaiepi left, Kaiepi joined 17:53 abraxxa left 17:58 jjido joined 18:07 reportable6 left 18:08 reportable6 joined
Anton Antonov <@928301352029937715> Hi Steve! I think you are "doing it wrong" in raku::Dan. (Because you say it is Python pandas inspired.) I will try to convince you by making a natural language interface to that package. Do you have a more detailed usage guide for raku::Dan than the GitHub README? 18:15
18:17 morte_ left 18:22 morte_ joined
drakonis p6steve: i'd suggest not copying pandas' api, it is quite poorly designed, R's packages have a much cleaner approach 18:24
Anton Antonov <@135870802489901056> Agreed -- I used R-tidyverse and R-dplyr as starting points. Nevertheless, Python-pandas is so popular that I had to include as target. 18:27
drakonis tidyverse is eons ahead of pandas 18:30
18:32 Kaiepi left
coleman I'm working on a personal CI environment, and I've typed up some questions in a gist. gist.github.com/dontlaugh/1d73c874...02457ab029 18:34
drakonis pandas has a fairly confusing API yet it succeeded because there was nothing else at the time
coleman I'd like to create a deployment environment next. But I'm unsure what to ship over from CI
Please leave comments on the gist if you have recommendations. 18:35
18:38 Kaiepi joined
Anton Antonov <@135870802489901056> Please, see this comparison interface: antononcube.shinyapps.io/DSL-evaluations/ . I want to include the raku-dan package in those comparisons. 18:44
drakonis ah shiny. 18:45
does R have anything besides shiny?
Anton Antonov <@135870802489901056> In general, or dynamic-interface-wise? 18:48
drakonis either of them 18:50
if there's anything else, shiny is still the most mature option
Anton Antonov The only R alternatives of R/Shiny is R/flexdashboard. (Which is based on shiny.) 18:51
And, yeah, RStudio as company makes money from web services. (Like shinyapps.io and RStudio Connect.) 18:52
And, yeah, RStudio as a company makes money from web services. (Like shinyapps.io and RStudio Connect.)
R/Shiny replicates the dynamic interfaces in Mathematica. In general RStudio is replicating many of business solutions of Wolfram Research. 18:54
19:03 n1to joined
drakonis i see 19:36
by the way, arent meta operators basically macros?
lizmat eventually, maybe, but that's not how they're implemented atm
drakonis hyperoperators, that is 19:40
eh, conflated both names but i asked about metaoperators 19:41
lizmat also currently not implemented as macro's, but there is some grammar wizardry going to make it happen 19:42
tbrowder .tell El_Che see my remarks about rakudo-pkg at 09:27 above 19:44
tellable6 tbrowder, I'll pass your message to El_Che
drakonis ah grammar wizardry... 19:49
the introduction of macros will surely make it significantly easier to maintain raku in the future 19:51
guifa basically they're hardcoded in the Rakudo grammar. In theory, someone could create a `multi meta_circumfix:<[ ]> (&infix)`, but I could see it getting complicated fast, and given how I can't think of any metaops that we'd need to add off the top of my head, it might be easier to do it in slang/macro 19:53
19:55 morte_ left
drakonis it likely would 19:55
19:57 TempIRCLogger left
drakonis i checked out serapeum, a common lisp utility library and it featured a macro for generating higher order functions 19:57
which is then used to implement various bits of code that are functionally meta operators 19:58
guifa you mean like o ?
drakonis github.com/ruricolist/serapeum/blo...s.lisp#L86 19:59
no
neat, J has a thing called monadic hooks 20:00
which is like the signature constraints 20:01
20:05 Geth left 20:06 Geth joined, RakuIRCLogger left 20:07 lizmat_ is now known as lizmat 20:09 jjido left 20:12 morte_ joined
lizmat going afk for at least the night... 20:16
my MBP is starting to swell... so I'm fearing battery issues...
20:16 lizmat left
guifa yikes 20:17
20:25 jjido joined 20:26 Kaiepi left, Kaiepi joined
Anton Antonov <@135870802489901056> Afro me the forward feed operator (==>) and OOP method invocation dot (.) are monadic enough. 20:27
<@135870802489901056> For me the forward feed operator (==>) and OOP method invocation dot (.) are monadic enough. 20:36
20:57 n1to left
drakonis it is certainly something 20:57
21:07 perlbot left, perlbot joined 21:09 melezhik joined
melezhik SmokeMachine you can use `verbose : true` to get more details from prove6/TAP report - sparrowhub.io:2222/report/505 21:10
like this - github.com/melezhik/rakudist-teddy...i.yaml#L16
Anton Antonov <@135870802489901056> Python allows for fairly nice display of monadic pipelines through OOP -- one just have surround the pipeline with parentheses. I.e. `( <pipeline> )` . 21:13
21:44 ecocode[m] joined 21:47 [Coke] left 21:48 melezhik left 21:49 morayj joined 22:02 [Coke] joined 22:18 morte_ left 22:26 dextercd left 22:38 jjido left 23:24 morayj left, morayj joined 23:40 morayj left

Powered by Cro and the Raku® Programming Language.

Please report any issues / comments / feature requests as an issue on App::Raku::Log.

Thank you!