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tbrowder .tell tony-o fez problem solved with "zef upgrade fez" 00:15
tellable6 tbrowder, I'll pass your message to tonyo
tonyo Thanks tbrowder, another update coming soon. I'm testing fez orgs out right now 00:22
tellable6 2021-12-04T17:25:58Z #raku <tbrowder> tonyo my fez user name was entered as tbrowder. new App::Mi6 expects it to be "zef:tbrowder". can i change it in the .fez-config.json file or do i have to start over with a new fez account, or should mi6 deal with it?
2021-12-04T23:37:42Z #raku <tbrowder> tonyo i need help with my fez issue #49. mi6 barfs on the "fez upload --file=Foo.tar.gz" part, and i don't understand yr readme on the tar issue.
tonyo .tell tbrowder I know you're all set but just for posterity, fez expects your meta auth to be `zef:tbrowder`. What's the error and what info were you looking for so I can make the readme better? 00:24
tellable6 tonyo, I'll pass your message to tbrowder
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tbrowder tony-o: it's working fine. i just had an old version. a Changes file would have helped see the fix. 02:11
tellable6 2021-12-06T00:24:42Z #raku <tonyo> tbrowder I know you're all set but just for posterity, fez expects your meta auth to be `zef:tbrowder`. What's the error and what info were you looking for so I can make the readme better?
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riffraff Hey everyone, I'm trying to build a Hash with defaults starting from a list. I can use BagHash to do a tally/count of the various things, but I can't see how to also set a default value, any clues? 08:07
I.e. I do 08:08
my @list = [1,2,2,3,3,3,4]
my %h = bag @list
%h{2} # 2
%h{99} #raku I want a zero here, but I get (Any)
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riffraff ah it seems 08:15
my Int %h{Int} = bag a
works :)
ah no, still unininitialized:( 08:19
moritz_ m: my %h is default(0); say %h{42}
camelia 0
moon-child m: my Int:D() %h; say %h{99} #whyn't? 08:20
camelia (Int)
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moritz_ I guess coercions to smily'ed types aren't implemented 08:32
riffraff thanks moritz_ ! Now I think  I may have found a bug: clone'ing does not carry over the default. But I am not sure if its supposed to :) 08:38
m: my %h is default(0); my %h2 = %h.clone; say %h2{99}
camelia (Any)
SmokeMachine m: my @list = 1,2,2,3,3,3,4; my %h := bag @list; say %h{2}; say %h{99} 08:39
camelia 2
0
moritz_ m: my %h is default(0); my %h2 := %h.clone; say %h2{99} 08:40
camelia 0
moritz_ riffraff: ^^ it's not the cloning that loses the default, it's the assigment. Using binding instead to avoid the assignment
SmokeMachine riffraff: when you do %h = bag @list, you are giving a bag to a hash, to make %h a bag, use := or my %h is Bag 08:41
riffraff ah-ha, that makes sense, thanks again
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SmokeMachine m: my @list = 1,2,2,3,3,3,4; my %h is Bag = |@list; say %h{2}; say %h{99} 08:42
camelia 2
0
riffraff ah that is also nice, so my problem was self-inflicted because I was casting the Bag into a Hash to begin with, right? 08:59
ops, I realize now I should have been in #raku-beginner sorry for the noise :(
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nine didn't know that there was a raku-beginner channel 09:19
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atroxaper Hello, #raku 10:58
tellable6 2021-12-05T20:52:37Z #raku <MasterDuke> atroxaper gist.github.com/MasterDuke17/b9ff1...a70ef2eca7 is a lightly edited version, it really didn't need a whole lot
atroxaper .tell MasterDuke Many-many thanks to you! You've helped me a lot. I've already add the article to the advent list. 10:59
tellable6 atroxaper, I'll pass your message to MasterDuke
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Nemokosch hello hello 11:07
is there a detailed description of list comprehensions somewhere?
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tbrowder tonyo: you here? 12:44
frost m: "/dev/urandom".IO.open.read(5).read-ubits(0, 5*8) 12:48
camelia ( no output )
frost m: say "/dev/urandom".IO.open.read(5).read-ubits(0, 5*8) 12:49
camelia 307861414805
frost m: say "/dev/urandom".IO.open.read(5).read-ubits(0, 5*8), ' ', now - INIT now
camelia 442574743393 0.007803579
tbrowder info for Raku module authors: i just published two of mine on the recommended Zef repo using mi6. it works great if you prep your module repo to change it from cpan to zef properly (and it's easy to do). 12:55
lizmat and others have started the move already. mi6 (v2.0.1+) is fully able to greatly assist in the effort--check it out! 12:56
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ggoebel still trying to grok Str ranges and how raku does incrementing using character classes... 14:11
m: ("aa".."bb")>>.say
camelia aa
ab
ba
bb
ggoebel m: ("ab".."ba")>>.say
camelia ab
aa
bb
ba
ggoebel why isn't the later «ab␤ba␤»? 14:12
m: "ab".succ.say 14:14
camelia ac
lizmat TimToady knows
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ggoebel m: ("bb".."aa")>>.say 14:22
camelia ( no output )
ggoebel m: ("bb"..."aa")>>.say
camelia bb
ba
ab
aa
ggoebel m: ("ab".."ba")>>.say
camelia ab
aa
bb
ba
ggoebel m: ("ab"..."ba")>>.say
camelia ab
aa
bb
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atroxaper ggoebel: hyper operations can be done in concurrent way. 14:27
ggoebel m: ("aa".."bb").flat.say 14:28
camelia (aa ab ba bb)
ggoebel m: ("ab".."ba").flat.say
camelia (ab aa bb ba)
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ggoebel atroxaper: regarding hyper ops... "methods can be called in an out of order, concurrent fashion. The resulting list will be in order." 14:30
El_Che I wonder if the intellij plans around Fleet will impact Comma IDE 14:31
atroxaper ggoebel: .say do not have a result in you case. Only the side effect. My point was for sure.
El_Che: Which for example? 14:32
El_Che as I understand it, Fleet is not based on the Intellij framework but it's reqrite 14:33
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El_Che w 14:39
atroxaper El_Che: Fleet do not require IntelliJ. Fleet uses a common code base of IntelliJ. 14:41
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Altai-man El_Che, don't take it as an official opinion or anything, but I don't see any ways for it to cause any impact on Comma so far. 14:45
tellable6 2021-12-03T18:18:02Z #raku <SmokeMachine> Altai-man yes, that makes sense, thanks
tbrowder m: say "12".succ 14:50
camelia 13
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El_Che atroxaper: I understood Fleet was written in Kotlyn and Rust 15:46
atroxaper El_Che: yes. 15:48
japhb El_Che: Do you have a link to the announcement or article or what have you? 15:52
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El_Che japhb: blog.jetbrains.com/blog/2021/11/29...-to-fleet/ 16:03
japhb: there was a comment by a fleet dev with the kotlyn+rust info, but it looks it's gone
this one: blog.jetbrains.com/blog/2021/11/29...e157a8e7f4 16:06
although it's more about the ui
I wonder if it's kotlyn native or the jvm 16:07
the speed of opening a file hints native
atroxaper El_Che: native or jvm is only runtime thing. Fleet can be run on native or jvm either. No? 16:09
El_Che: and JB works a lot to speed up native, of course. 16:10
El_Che atroxaper: their target is inmediate startup, no way they can do that with the jvm 16:12
but you load the ide features by clicking a button (how lame is that???), so maybe they load the jvm then :) 16:13
atroxaper El_Che: IDE features appears in separate process, i think. Because they can appears on another machine. 16:20
El_Che I think so too 16:22
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El_Che anyway, what I wonder if it will replace intellij platform if it's a success 16:38
(and let's be honest, intellij is a great ide (I have ultimate) but the java only menus when programming in other languages are terrible) 16:39
if it would be easy to fix, they would have done so already
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[Coke] Someone offered to buy github.com/coke from me. 16:42
ggoebel m: my @a = (1,2); @a = @a.rotate; @a[0] += @a[1]; @a.raku.say 16:43
camelia [3, 1]
[Coke] They wanted to take over the account, not somehow have me release/transfer the nick, too.
ggoebel m: my @a = (1,2); @a[0] += (@a = @a.rotate)[1]; @a.raku.say
camelia [2, 1]
ggoebel why don't those two give the same output? 16:44
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ggoebel Coke: if it is Coca Cola... maybe they'll make an offer you can't refuse :-) 16:46
[Coke] in the second case, the += is getting the original value before the rotate 16:47
ggoebel: some rando offerring 40USD.
I would totally have considered Coca Cola money. :)
ggoebel thx. another difference from Perl which surprised me... 16:50
[Coke] (to clarify, we're setting a0 in the rotated array to the 0-index of the original array plus the 1-index of the rotated array) 16:52
You can probaly verify that by looking at some AST output.
*probably
a0==0-index
ggoebel m: my @a = (1,2); @a[0] += (@a[0,1] = @a.rotate)[1]; @a.raku.say 16:59
camelia [3, 1]
ggoebel m: my @a = (1,2); @a[0] += (@a = @a.rotate)[1]; @a.raku.say 17:00
camelia [2, 1]
ggoebel hmm... not understanding why those are different either
[Coke] coding style aside (why would you not do the rotate first to avoid this?), I imagine you're referring directly to a[0] in the first one, and only @a as a whole in the second. You should definitely compare the --target=ast output to see what the code gen is doing in each case. 17:02
... I imagine "it's because" you're...
"raku --target=ast -e '...'" 17:03
ggoebel the code is just a golf of a problem I ran into when trying to collapse 2 loc into 1. Normally I write for readability, but this was for brevity.
will try that
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tonyo tbrowder: i'm here now, what's up? 17:51
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tbrowder i wanted you to know mi6 and fez are interoperating well. i am working on an advent article on moving mi6 modules from cpan mgmt to fez. you might want to use part of it for yr faq or readme when it's published. 18:08
tonyo: ^^^ 18:10
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tonyo danke, i'll add it to the FAQ 18:15
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melezhik Sparky now has "watcher" mechanism allow to wait till asynchronous jobs are finished, here is an example - github.com/melezhik/sparrowdo/blob...tcher-jobs 19:22
interesting , do I need to sleep within supply block? or it will hold CPU does useless jobs, instead of doing something useful? I am not sure how supply works from this point of view ... The reason for sleep might be not to over stretch sparky web app ... 19:30
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tonyo melezhik: what do you mean sleep in supply block? why would you need to do that? 20:12
tellable6 tonyo, I'll pass your message to melezhik
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lizmat and yet another Rakudo Weekly News hits the Net: rakudoweekly.blog/2021/12/06/2021-...ing-is-on/ 20:41
merryprog the Net must have a lot of bruises after so many
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melezhik . 20:43
tellable6 2021-12-06T20:12:55Z #raku <tonyo> melezhik: what do you mean sleep in supply block? why would you need to do that?
melezhik tonyo I mean "The reason for sleep might be not to over stretch sparky web app, not to generate too many request ", from other hand it's a waste of CPU, right? 20:45
tonyo can you golf it? 20:48
gfldex lolibloggedalittle: gfldex.wordpress.com/2021/12/06/main-course/
vasko: ^^^ This is your fault! :->
lizmat gfldex: will be in the next weekly :-) 20:53
and /me has a comment about it on /r/rakulang 20:57
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