🦋 Welcome to the MAIN() IRC channel of the Raku Programming Language (raku.org). This channel is logged for the purpose of keeping a history about its development | evalbot usage: 'm: say 3;' or /msg camelia m: ... | Log inspection is getting closer to beta. If you're a beginner, you can also check out the #raku-beginner channel!
Set by lizmat on 25 August 2021.
00:07 reportable6 left 00:10 lucerne0 joined 00:11 lucerne left, lucerne0 is now known as lucerne, goblin left 00:12 tellable6 joined 00:14 goblin joined 00:27 dogbert11 joined, dogbert17 left, samcv left, lucerne left 00:28 samcv_ joined, lucerne joined
guifa almost had a freakout when running zef started causing all sorts of crazy errors (like not being able to call MAIN) 00:48
guifa then realized he had left RAKUDO_RAKUAST set to 1 in that terminal
[Coke] heh 01:02
01:12 xinming left 01:13 xinming joined 02:09 reportable6 joined 03:09 linkable6 left, evalable6 left 03:10 evalable6 joined 04:10 benchable6 left, notable6 left, coverable6 left, unicodable6 left, bloatable6 left, greppable6 left, releasable6 left, statisfiable6 left, bisectable6 left, committable6 left, squashable6 left, sourceable6 left, shareable6 left, reportable6 left, tellable6 left, evalable6 left, nativecallable6 left, quotable6 left 04:11 notable6 joined, benchable6 joined, shareable6 joined, reportable6 joined, unicodable6 joined, greppable6 joined 04:12 coverable6 joined, tellable6 joined, sourceable6 joined, committable6 joined, bloatable6 joined 05:12 squashable6 joined 05:13 quotable6 joined 06:07 reportable6 left 06:09 mexen joined 06:11 releasable6 joined 06:12 linkable6 joined 06:29 squashable6 left 06:30 squashable6 joined 07:07 reportable6 joined 07:11 nativecallable6 joined 07:13 evalable6 joined 07:21 jjido joined 07:25 jjido left 07:55 abraxxa joined 08:01 abraxxa left 08:02 abraxxa joined 08:05 jjido joined 08:10 Sgeo left 08:49 jjido left 08:58 avar left 08:59 avar joined 09:01 dakkar joined 09:09 jjido joined 09:12 bisectable6 joined 09:44 jjido left 09:48 lgtaube left 10:01 xkr47 left 10:02 jjido joined 10:03 lgtaube joined 10:12 xkr47 joined 10:26 jjido left 10:31 jjido joined 10:35 jjido left 11:35 linkable6 left, evalable6 left 11:37 linkable6 joined 12:08 reportable6 left 12:09 reportable6 joined 12:10 statisfiable6 joined 12:15 jjido joined 12:30 jjido left 12:38 evalable6 joined 12:56 lgtaube left 13:06 xinming left, xinming joined 13:13 lgtaube joined 13:31 abraxxa-home joined 13:45 jjido joined 14:20 morte_ joined
Nemokosch hi guys 14:30
theweeklychallenge.org/blog/perl-w...152/#TASK1 do you know something about how to interpret this task?
because the example seems like "just take the smallest element from each line" 14:31
but why would you call that a "path"?
14:34 discord-raku-bot left, discord-raku-bot joined
MasterDuke i would have interpreted that to mean you can only go to one of the children of your current position, but that's not what the example shows... 14:35
lizmat weekly: updown.io/api 14:50
notable6 lizmat, Noted! (weekly)
14:53 jjido left 15:17 gugod left 15:21 Sgeo joined, mtj left 15:26 gugod joined
Nemokosch why? 15:30
guifa that's weird, surely he made a mistake with it 15:38
16:18 abraxxa left 16:19 suman joined
suman What does se v6.*; mean 16:19
Asterisk?
16:19 abraxxa-home left
suman use v6.* 16:20
lizmat it basically means: give me the highest possible version
currently, that'd be equivalent to v6.e.PREVIEW
suman got it thank you 16:21
16:28 suman left 16:33 xinming left 16:35 xinming joined 16:51 rir joined
tonyo ^ that's why fez doesn't allow `*` vers 16:58
17:08 rir left 17:28 guifa left 17:29 dakkar left 17:38 xinming left 17:39 xinming joined
Geth ecosystem: f07e0ad790 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | META.list
Freeze the Form module to the current commit

While we're moving it to the zef ecosystem		 17:59
18:04 jjido joined 18:08 reportable6 left 18:09 reportable6 joined 18:25 jjido left 18:26 jjido left
[Coke] would it break anything to allow 'raku -e say 3/4' to work without wrapping the raku code in quotes? 18:28
and/or can we get a switch that prints the value of the last statement executed, like 'raku -x 3/4'
lizmat [Coke]: how would you pass command-line parameters if you don't quote ? 18:30
[Coke] (the former would need to .join the ARGS with ' ', of course
lizmat: raku -other -args -e has to go last or maybe: 18:31
so maybe another -- for that type, with the expectation that you couldn't use args.
lizmat [Coke]: I can see the advantage of not having to quote :-) 18:32
[Coke] but "break anything", yes, that's a thing. ok. :)
18:43 jjido joined 18:55 linkable6 left 18:58 linkable6 joined, guifa joined
[Coke] lizmat: looks #4697 resulted in a revert which means it can be closed? 19:01
lizmat closed :-) 19:03
ugexe the quotes are there for shells 19:09
otherwise what interpolates e.g. $FOO
lizmat also a good point :-) 19:10
19:12 slowtyper joined
moon-child raku -e say \$foo 19:12
raku -e say '$foo'
19:12 slowtype- left
moon-child or even 19:12
raku -e say '$'foo
and curly quotes are ignored by the shell, so you can use them to quote raku-side 19:13
raku -e say “'$'foo”
is any of these clearer than raku -e 'say $foo' or raku -e 'say "$foo"'? Probably not but ...
ugexe dont forget to handle % different on windows 19:14
19:17 slowtype- joined, slowtyper left
Geth ecosystem: 9cd26cb324 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | META.list
Freeze the Form module to the current commit

While we're moving it to the zef ecosystem		 19:17
19:19 [Coke] left 19:20 slowtyper joined 19:22 slowtype- left 19:24 [Coke] joined 19:31 slowtype- joined, lgtaube left 19:32 slowtyper left, lgtaube joined, squashable6 left 19:33 squashable6 joined 20:36 evalable6 left, linkable6 left 21:09 mexen left 21:12 discord-raku-bot left 21:13 discord-raku-bot joined 21:17 discord-raku-bot left, discord-raku-bot joined 21:33 tbrowder left, leont left, mjgardner left, leont joined, mjgardner joined, tbrowder joined 21:51 jjido left
[Coke] I really hate finding out someone is no longer with $dayjob by getting an exchange bounce. :| 22:29
22:36 evalable6 joined
qorg11 Is it possible to output moarvm bytecode so rakudo don't have to compile everytime? 23:00
So a CGI application doesn't take a lot to load
[Coke] modules are precompiled. 23:01
so if you put your stuff in a Helper module and 'use Helper' all that will only be compiled once.
(also don't do CGI. :)
qorg11 What's wrong with CGI?
[Coke] eh. it's an older tech stack, but it checks out. 23:02
qorg11 It ain't broke you know
[Coke] so, no worries if it's solving your problem - but there are newer things to use if you like.
qorg11 Well, what i really want is to speed up rakudo's init 23:05
And i guess what takes some time is the compilation to MoarVM bytecode 23:09
So i want to output MoarVM bytecode 23:10
lizmat qorg11: what you want, is to have a look at cro.services
putting your code in a module and 'use'ing that *is* the equivalent of loading bytecode
it works best if you set it up as a module and actually install the module 23:11
23:15 Guest10 joined 23:22 morte_ left
japhb qorg11: The problem with basic CGI is that you have to (fork, exec, init, run, clean up) for every request. Other stacks allow you to remove most of those (on a per-request basis, at least). 23:23
qorg11: Also note that since MAIN can be exported (like any other sub), you can have the entirety of your program in the module that you load, and literally the entire main program can be "use ActualImplementation;" and everything else including MAIN can be in the ActualImplementation module (if you're using #! lines, just add one at the top of the script, making it two lines). 23:26
I do this for basically any app I write where I care about startup time.
moon-child exec is not too bad, if you are perl or c 23:28
only if you are raku
:)
but yeah, startup time even without loading any non-core code is like 200ms I think, definitely prefer not cgi 23:30
23:34 Guest10 left

Powered by Cro and the Raku® Programming Language.

Please report any issues / comments / feature requests as an issue on App::Raku::Log.

Thank you!