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dalek rrot: r49760 | plobsing++ | branches/gsoc_nci/src/pmc/nci.pmc:
fix calculation of number of elements in values
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cotto ~~ 02:48
atrodo Evening cotto. looked like there was quite the good lorito chat 02:53
sorear hollo atrodo
hello cotto
cotto orly?
atrodo, what are you referring to? 02:54
atrodo The one that you and sorear had yesterday-ish 02:55
cotto ok, so it's nothing I missed 02:56
atrodo nope. I was commenting on it since I missed it 02:57
one thing that stuck out to me was the idea of JIT'ing lorito on a stack based vm 02:58
cotto I threw a batch of questions on the wiki at the bottom of LoritoDesignQuestions based on my own questions and what I got from whiteknight and atrodo.
Yes. That was an interesting question. 02:59
sorear I can write a very simple deregisterizer 03:00
a value can stay on the stack if 1. its lifetime is contained in one basic block 2. its lifetime is properly nested wrt all other such values 03:01
atrodo it also brings an interesting idea that with lorito, if we have specs and test suite, it doesn't necessarily have to be only written in C
cotto atrodo, not at all. We could do a prototype in Perl to make it easier to hack on. 03:02
atrodo or, be really crazy and write a js engine so parrot code, sans external code, ran in a web browser. I can't imagine that'd be efficient tho 03:03
cotto or nqp, but that's convenient and slow instead of convenient and fast
I'm not going to stop anyone from doing that, but I will bring popcorn. 03:04
that said, Google's done a lot with gwt, which compiles Java to js
sorear one deeper thing I need to do is to implement real continuations 03:05
I don't know how much rippling this will cause
my loritoid only does coroutines so far
which is fine for p6 but no good for lorito 03:08
cotto sorear, continuations will be on top of Lorito, not built in 03:10
sorear Eh? 03:14
You mean, like, in C code? 03:15
cotto irclog.perlgeek.de/parrot/2010-07-23#i_2600954
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dalek rrot: r49761 | plobsing++ | branches/gsoc_nci (8 files):
eliminate use of libffi-specific nci.pmc
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dalek rrot: r49762 | plobsing++ | branches/gsoc_nci (4 files):
eliminate gen::libffi
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cxreg plobsing++ indeed 04:40
plobsing: any idea how much works remains on that branch?
plobsing cxreg: it now passes make test and no longer does any tricky copying around of near-identical pieces of code 04:42
cxreg sweet. looks like you put in a good 20 commits on it the last couple days
plobsing there are a few areas that need fixing up before this gets merged 04:43
there's some todos (mostly in src/nci/libffi.c) and codetest is hurting pretty bad
in terms of the subsystem though, there is much work left to do. But I'll leave that for another branch. 04:44
I'd like to have this branch in a testable/mergable state by end of week 04:45
dukeleto plobsing: are we talking about gsoc_nci ?
plobsing yes
dukeleto plobsing: awesome!
plobsing only 2 months to late!
s/to/too/
ash_ :-( 04:46
plobsing if there's one thing I do well, it's procrastinate
dukeleto plobsing: a half a loaf is better than none
ash_ thats my fault, i have dropped the ball on getting gsoc_nci merged
dukeleto ash_: we will give you the appropriate amount of lashings
ash_ grad schools has been eating into my spare time (ie. i don't really have any right now) 04:47
cxreg ash_: were it not for you, this would not have gotten done at all :) ash_++
ash_ plobsing: i can try to fix up any of my code that doesn't pass the coding standard
dukeleto ash_: writing a blurb about what new things people can do after the gsoc_nci branch lands, that would be useful. Something for NEWS 04:48
ash_ okay, i can do that right now 04:49
does test 42 (nci_vP) fail still or has someone tracked that down? (completely out of the loop on the state of gsoc_nci since i did my last few commits)
plobsing unless it was skipped, it is working now. fulltest gets all the way to codetest before bailing 04:50
dukeleto plobsing: so all tests pass in "make test" ? 04:52
plobsing yes. I managed to get the last two somehow. Push enough code around and problems go away apparently.
dukeleto plobsing++ # awesomesauce 04:54
ash_ did it go away by just re-organizing my code? (means i probably had a scoped variable freed in the wrong scope, thats my guess anyway) 05:03
plobsing I'm not entirely sure myself 05:05
I did rearrange a lot. I also had to kill some parts for the greater good.
ash_ thats fine, i think i did some 'Bad Things ™' in my code in some places 05:07
hope it wasn't to unreadable and made sense to someone other than me 05:10
plobsing that's what I'm hoping now. 05:11
ash_ my use of void* and malloc'ed chunks of data felt wrong, but i didn't know a better way of doing it, but i see you thought of doing a much more organized strcut with a union (pmc_holder_t), thats a lot better than me mallocing random memory and just pointing to it later on 05:12
plobsing oh we still do a little of that elsewhere. I'm not terribly fond of it, but I have yet to think of a better way. 05:14
an important point for testing: make sure to configure --without-core-nci-thunks and --without-extra-nci-thunks. otherwise, the framebuilder will be shaddowed by a pre-filled nci thunk cache 05:21
sorear I wonder how much of our branch merge yak shaving could be handed off to GCI
ash_ plobsing: did the signature parse get changed? 05:24
plobsing sorear: the pain of svn merges is not the first (or one of the first) impressions of open source I'd like people to have
ash_: yes. it was kinda tangled around generating the cif and the pcc signature (which was coming out wrong)
ash_ so, the nci signatures will not be update yet? i guess that will be held off till a more logical/simple system can be specified? 05:25
(signature parsing, i mean)
dukeleto sorear: yak-shaving doesn't make a good task
plobsing: i don't quite understand what you mean about an "important point for testing" 05:26
plobsing ash_: yes. that's the biggest hit the branch had to take
dukeleto: if you don't configure special like that, the builtin thunks (which cover all tested functions) will be built in to parrot and the framebuilder will never get called
ash_ dukeleto: if you built it with the default nci-thunks and it detected one, it would use those instead of using libffi 05:27
plobsing frame builder only gets called on an NCI frame cache miss
ash_ plobsing: should i move that into a library maybe? it was a basically the same syntax as perl's pack with a few modifications to accommodate the old nci system 05:29
plobsing ash_: I kinda like the array of int-flags that I'm using internally. no parsing required. I'm considering exposing that as an interface (it is probably easier to use programatically, eg: zavolaj) 05:31
ash_ what about complex data structures? 05:33
plobsing what about them? they can't be used in calls. the most complex thing, a struct (without nesting), might make that tricky to do; but I'm sure we'll figure something out. 05:34
ash_ well, that was sorta part of the whole parse thing i wrote, it could parse a structure (written like "{ii}" which means struct { int; int }; ), maybe there is a different way we could go about that? 05:36
plobsing not sure. haven't really thought about it. I just was sick of dealing with raw chars. flags are explicit about what they mean. 05:37
ash_ thats fine 05:40
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muixirt good morning 09:52
the line numbers parrot emits in the case of an error don't look to be reliable, any advice? 09:54
moritz muixirt: file tickets for those cases where they are off 10:06
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muixirt moritz: so line numbers aren't generally off? 10:09
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tadzik o/ 10:41
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moritz muixirt: no, often they are right 10:55
unless you produce a weird syntax error
muixirt I meant in the case of an error like 'Null PMC access in type()' 10:57
or is that related to Ticket #1652 too?
moritz that sounds like a rakudo error, not a parrot error 10:58
(the "null pmc access in type", that is) 11:00
there the line number has a meaning, but it doesn't point into the user's source file
which is entirely rakudo's fault, afaict
muixirt moritz: fyi I'm fiddling with the ecmascript corpse 11:01
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dalek rrot: r49763 | bacek++ | branches/generational_gc (4 files):
Get rid of PObj_is_special_FLAG. They are all special now.
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rrot: r49764 | bacek++ | branches/generational_gc/src/pmc.c:
Rewrite code to make gcc happy
he_ Hm, can someone please do cp config/gen/platform/freebsd/sysmem.c config/gen/platform/netbsd/ and commit the result? Smoke test succeeds on r49680 with that change in place. 12:29
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whiteknight good morning, #parrot 12:35
good morning, #parrot 12:52
...?
moritz oh hai whiteknight 12:54
whiteknight hello moritz. How are you doing today? 13:08
moritz whiteknight: great. Last week I was on Mallorca, today is a public holiday in parts of Germany (including where I live) 13:09
muixirt moritz: why didn't you say that earlier, wanted to shop but stood in front of closed doors :-) 13:19
moritz muixirt: I had no idea where you live :-)
muixirt: I thought somewhere in any <de at ch> maybe, but the holliday rules are not very uniform over that area 13:20
muixirt forgot that I live in a catholic area 13:21
so no dancing today: Tanzverbot! 13:24
moritz at least not in public venues 13:27
www.perlmonks.org/?node_id=868728
sorry, wrong channel, wanted to post to #perl6 13:28
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tadzik hello 14:48
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cotto tilde tilde 15:50
tadzik oh slash
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atrodo backslash oh 15:52
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cotto whiteknight, have you tried this? today.msnbc.msn.com/id/39831216/ns/...-foodwine/ 16:44
atrodo hurray! That's the only meal I need all day! 16:45
whiteknight cotto: I am angry at you for introducing me to this concept 16:48
cotto If you look like a balloon next time I see you, I'll buy you some medifast or something. 16:52
;) 16:53
seen dukeleto? 16:55
aloha dukeleto was last seen in #perl6 1 hours 44 mins ago joining the channel.
dukeleto 'ello 17:11
cotto 'i
So, when's git o'clock?
whiteknight is the big migration happening sometime soon? 17:12
dukeleto cotto: how much do you want to help?
whiteknight: how much time do you have to donate to the migration?
whiteknight dukeleto: besides well-wishing, basically 0 until I get home
dukeleto also has this odd thing called a $job
whiteknight in about 5 hours, I can focus on it pretty well, I think 17:13
dukeleto i still don't have a local dump of the subversion database.
which i need to regenerate the repo with a proper authormap in a reasonable amount of time.
cotto updates his local dump of the svn repo 17:15
dukeleto, I'll put a tarball of a svnsync'd db (as of r49764) up as soon as it's finished being tarballed. 17:19
Will that help? 17:21
Updating it is pretty simple, if a bit slow.
dukeleto cotto: yes, that will help. 17:22
cotto: if people commit to the svn repo after your tarball is created, i will probably have to do this again. or perhaps i can get away with incremental fixes 17:23
cotto Why couldn't you do incremental updates like you've been doing, only with authmap in place? 17:25
dukeleto cotto: authmap happens at conversion time. authmap requires a new conversion (new sha1's) or git filter-branch (new sha1's as well) 17:26
cotto: perhaps there is an option to git-svn to use the authmap on every rebase, but i haven't used it before
cotto dukeleto, mksig.org/parrot/parrot_svn_repo.tar.bz2 17:37
that'll expand into a dir named "repo" 17:38
update with svnsync sync file:///path/to/repo
dukeleto cotto: thanks 17:42
cotto I'm not sure how to solve the authmap problem, but at least it'll be easy to keep up-to-date 17:43
If we have to say "don't commit to svn or git during the switch", I guess we can do that. 17:44
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moritz sounds sane. 17:44
whiteknight we can put out an email asking people not to commit during the dump/migration process, or we can got nuclear and lock the repo completely for the duration
moritz or you can just undo any dangling commits in the resulting git repo 17:45
cotto or both
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cotto If that'll be the plan, you should definitely do a dry run first. 17:48
tadzik dukeleto: I can donate some time to the migration (today at least) 17:51
dukeleto tadzik: that is awesome to hear 17:56
cotto tadzik++
dukeleto tadzik: have you looked at the GitMigration wiki page? 17:57
tadzik dukeleto: I visit it from time to time
dukeleto tadzik: awesome to hear!
tadzik feels motivated to take a walk to the wiki
cotto dukeleto, is it too early to send out a migration schedule to parrot-*?
tadzik, it's disorganized but there's some good stuff there. 17:58
Feel free to organize it to whatever degree you have the tuits for.
dukeleto cotto: if you want to cut the cord, go for it.
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dukeleto cotto: if you all promise me beer and fine cheese, perhaps i can cut over to git tonight 17:59
cotto 1) That would be amazing.
tadzik cotto: what can I do? I don't feel like messing with the wikipage as I don't know what is it expected to show, besides stuff that it alredy does
cotto 2) I don't want it to be too sudden for people who might not be aware that it's coming. 18:00
tadzik, if one page seems like it should be linked from another, add a link
dukeleto, also, it depends on how fine a cheese. They can get pretty spendy. 18:01
tadzik cotto: is the help needed with the git migration, or with /wiki/GitMigration?
cotto The wiki page outlines the process and is mostly current.
dukeleto cotto: i like Goat Gouda 18:02
tadzik so what needs to be done, from a practical POV?
cotto googles
cotto is a fan of Jarlsberg 18:03
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cotto dukeleto, if it didn't happen tonight, how soon could it happen? Tonight is an option, but I also want to give people more notice if possible. 18:05
dukeleto I need to regen a new git repo with an authormap. Then push that to github, and migrate old github branches to the new repo with patches 18:06
whiteknight We definitely should send a warning email out to parrot-dev and maybe elsewhere ASAP if we are planning an imminent migration
dukeleto cotto: i will be away on business for about a week soon, so i would like to do this sooner rather than later 18:07
cotto whiteknight, I have the message drafted already so I just need to fill in the blanks.
whiteknight don't patch branches. That should save some time
cotto I've had it ready since Oct 14th.
dukeleto whiteknight: wanna send the email? If you guys start ringing the alarm bells, i will feel more motivated to get something done.
cotto I'll nopaste the draft. 18:08
dukeleto whiteknight: creating patches for the branches is trivial, there are only 2
whiteknight I'm happy to send it, sure
nopaste "cotto" at 192.168.1.3 pasted "DRAFT git migration email to parrot-dev and parrot-users" (18 lines) at nopaste.snit.ch/25114
dukeleto thinks somebody should send out an email to parrot-dev, and warn them that git migration is imminent
cotto: don't forget to send it to the rakudo peeps 18:09
whiteknight dukeleto: if you're doing the majority of the heavy-lifting, you dictate what time works best for you
cotto perl6-internals?
dukeleto cotto: perl6-language probably, or perl6-announce
whiteknight I'll send out the email to the correct recipients with the correct times
tadzik #perl6 maybe
cotto whiteknight, deal 18:10
dukeleto i need people to interact with the OSUOSL people for me, to coordinate some of that stuff
tadzik Perl 6 folks rely on svn parrot only in Rakudo's Configure.pl script
whiteknight dukeleto: what do you need from OSUOSL?
dukeleto whiteknight: look on the GitMigration wiki, there is a bunch of stuff only they can do? like trac stuff
cotto dukeleto, how long will the migration take with the authmap? 18:14
dukeleto cotto: shouldn't take more than a few hours with a local svn dump. I haven't done it yet, tho. 18:17
cotto: it could take as little as half an hour. Not sure.
cotto is a dry run practical? 18:18
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dukeleto cotto: sure. i will try to do a dry run today, to time it 18:32
cotto ok. Once you know that it works and how long it can take, whiteknight can send out the announcement. 18:33
cotto is excited
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moritz so git migration is pretty immediate? 18:33
moritz gits all excited
dukeleto moritz: with well wishes and promises of beer, yes :)
cotto barring difficulties, yes
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cotto buys pbr and some goat gouda 18:34
cotto carefully notes that dukeleto never specified what beer
moritz dukeleto: when we meet in real life, we have to go to a pub and talk about parrot, Perl 6, solitons and other geek topics... yes, you'll get a beer :-)
dukeleto moritz: awesome! Will you be at YAPC::NA next year? I will do my best to be there. 18:35
moritz dukeleto: very unlikely. I'm going to become a father soon, so priorities shift 18:36
dukeleto moritz: ah, i see. I will have to make it to a conference on your side of the pond. 18:37
moritz: congrats on your new fatherhood :)
moritz ETA is 2010-02-01
thanks
erm, 2011-02-01
offby1error hit again! 18:38
cotto ENOBABY 18:55
whiteknight dukeleto: if you ever make it out out PA, I've got beer for you 19:01
I'm a gouda fan myself, so I'll pick up some of the good stuff
dukeleto whiteknight: sweet. I won't forget that. 19:02
whiteknight: i will pay you a visit the next time i visit family in the Northeast
whiteknight where in the northeast? 19:06
Tene Where is YAPC::NA next year? Things are lining up to be much more reasonable for me to go finally. 19:07
ah, www.yapc2011.us/yn2011/ 19:08
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whiteknight I'm probably going to delete my embedding API branch and reapply the changes to a new git branch after the migration 19:36
cotto whiteknight, are you not happy with it? 19:47
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whiteknight I am happy with it. I haven't done any work on it in two days, and would rather start fresh in the new system 20:00
anyway, leaving now
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cotto dukeleto, have you tried a dry run of the git import with an authmap? 22:14
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dukeleto cotto: not yet. Had a some errands to run. I will try it nowish. 22:43
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bacek_at_work ~~ 23:16
dukeleto I am missing an email in CREDITS for GeJ 23:17
GeJ_: ping
cxreg: ping
cxreg: i am missing info in CREDITS for you 23:18
cxreg cxreg@pobox.com
dukeleto cxreg++ 23:20
cxreg: do you want a realname in CREDITS?
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GeJ dukeleto: pong 23:20
cxreg sure, Dave Olszewski 23:21
dukeleto GeJ: which email would you like to use for CREDITS
dukeleto is generating an authormap for Git, which reads CREDITS and creates the proper committer name + email for git
cotto: ping 23:25
cotto pong
cotto got back from a haircut at just the right time, apparently
dukeleto cotto: so if i want to get the latest svn rev into my svn repo dump, i do "svnsync sync file://repo" ? 23:26
cotto yes
Nothing will happen now because nobody's committed anything.
file:///path/to/repo
dukeleto cotto: I have :) 23:27
cotto It has to be an absolute path because svnsync is nvb
dukeleto cotto: yes, i just got it to work. Sweet.
cotto dukeleto, are you thinking tonight or later? 23:28
If tonight, we should get the notification out asap.
dukeleto cotto: i am going to do a dry run pretty soon
cotto: to see how long regenerating the repo with a new authormap takes
cotto dukeleto, makes sens 23:29
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dalek rrot: r49765 | dukeleto++ | trunk/CREDITS:
Update CREDITS in preparation for git conversion
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mikehh All tests PASS (pre/post-config, make corevm/make coretest, smoke (#879) fulltest) at r49764 - Ubuntu 10.10 i386 (g++-4.5) 23:44
dukeleto: what is happening re tests that work on svn 23:46
or use info from svn eg smoke/smolder 23:48
cotto mikehh, we have a git branch that rips them out
dukeleto mikehh: "make smoke" knows how to grab info from git repos already. that was added long ago
mikehh: and any test that looks at svn props will be deleted in the git repo 23:49
mikehh cotto, dukeleto: ok, waiting to try all that :-}
kid51 is overjoyed; he just recruited a new smoketester; smolder.parrot.org/app/projects/rep...etails/880 23:51
mikehh ok another question, I usually run config with --maintainer, and if it regens compilers/imcc/imclexer.c or h I usually just rm the files and svn up, unless I want to commit, will this work in git? 23:54
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dukeleto mikehh: not sure. try it out. 23:54
bacek_at_work mikehh, git checkout compilers/imcc 23:55
dalek rrot: r49766 | dukeleto++ | trunk (3 files):
[tools] Make the author map code an actual file and remove it from CREDITS
cotto mikehh, why do you do that?
mikehh dukeleto: I will, but I think I have had problems with this type of thing before (in git that is), need to work it out 23:56
cotto Is there any benefit? 23:57
(if you're not hacking on imcc, that is)
mikehh cotto: usually because the change it trivial (usually differences with bison version or something) 23:58
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mikehh cotto: adds some additional testing that I incorporate and check on 23:59

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