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vrurg How could two role objects with same objectid and same nqp::where result in !$r1 =:= $r2 in nqp??? 00:19
timotimo may need to decont
vrurg bingo, that's was my last guess and it worked! Thanks timotimo! 00:20
timotimo :) 00:22
vrurg Actually, I thought that nqp::where would return container's address, not type object.
Fighting 'is hidden' not being propagaded to class when role is puned... 00:24
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Geth_ problem-solving/path-to-raku: 5 commits pushed by (Aleks-Daniel Jakimenko-Aleksejev)++ 07:21
AlexDaniel tbrowder: I'm not entirely sure. Something about making it dead obvious to tools and editors that it's a raku file, but it looks like we'll be supporting .t anyway, so it's weird. Moreover, .raku.t is already supported, it's shorter, and you won't have to choose between two different extensions because .raku.t is basically both at the same time, so I'm currently unable to make a good point in favor of .rakutest 07:33
and even though nobody else is seriously using TAP, the idea of everyone coming up with a new extension for using it with a particular language is weird 07:36
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lizmat Files=1274, Tests=109501, 205 wallclock secs (26.64 usr 7.59 sys + 2885.58 cusr 251.64 csys = 3171.45 CPU) 10:36
Geth_ rakudo: 1d4c21d030 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | 2 files
Make .index quite a bit faster

Especially the Cool variants. Mostly by making them share the same proto and getting rid of the |c signature.		 11:37
rakudo: 6f5232f403 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | 2 files
Make .rindex quite a bit faster

Especially the Cool variants. Mostly by making them share the same proto and getting rid of the |c signature.		 11:49
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nine m: say "back up" 11:59
lizmat back up
:-)
nine wait...what?
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timotimo elizabot? 12:00
lizmat you rang?
Geth_ rakudo: 3697325c74 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | 2 files
Remove two unneeded "is copy"s
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tbrowder AlexDaniel: thnx. i'm happy with the raku name, but not so happy about the LONG extensions. 12:24
Geth_ rakudo: 6297b0e465 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | 2 files
Make .comb quite a bit faster

Especially the Cool variants. Mostly by making them share the same proto and getting rid of the |c signature.		 12:27
tbrowder for my 2 cents worth, having looked over the years at the duplication of file extensions on the various lists one can find, the fact that our chosen extension might be the same as another wouldn' bother me. and i've often had to change file associations on $windows so that wouldn't bother me, either. 12:30
i say define them to benefit us, the actual users. it may be confusing to non-raku users, but maybe that would be a marketing payoff. 12:33
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tbrowder btw, in raku-speak, nqp could be thought of as "not quite public" or "not quite pretty". 12:38
not quite prevalent 12:39
not quite polished
not quite presentable 12:41
i like that last one best. describes it quite well. 12:42
but, to insiders: notably quite powerful 12:43
lizmat not quite pottery 12:44
but I guess we decided that nqp will just be "nqp" 12:45
AlexDaniel tbrowder: they're annoyingly long, yes, but nobody seems to be interested in trying to even think about resolving that
instead there's a push to just ignore that and move on
lizmat AlexDaniel: many people (me included) is worn out on these types of discussions
tbrowder sorry, i couldn't resist 12:46
lizmat *are 12:47
AlexDaniel I totally understand that, but I'm not sure if it means that we should just go with any almost random extensions
tbrowder but it could be put up for public discussion and voting could it not? 12:48
lizmat FWIW, I think it was a mistake for jnthn to force a decision on that as part of #89
*I* don't care anymore what comes out of the extension decision 12:49
I was going to go out about now anyway, so please don't take my afk as anything else 12:50
afk&
AlexDaniel lizmat: first I agreed with the decision, but now that I think about it, people won't be able to change their filenames right after the rename anyway… 12:51
and there's quite some time till 6.e to make that decision separately 12:52
I mean, to decide which extensions
tbrowder my last comment: when my grandson gets introduced to raku, he will probably like shorter extensions, especially when most windows users (most students in us system) don't see them, or even think much about them.
AlexDaniel tbrowder: there was some voting, but it was so quick I didn't even make up my mind github.com/perl6/problem-solving/i...-531986666 12:54
like, I voted “both long and short” but I wouldn't do that now
and even that I changed, initially I was for long extensions
lucasb hehe, what a mess 12:55
tbrowder yes, it was quick and not so public
got to go, but a bit more discussion on #perl6 imho is warranted 12:57
AlexDaniel I'm currently trying to at least document what's going to happen, see the latest edits here: github.com/perl6/problem-solving/p...-536044546
but honestly I still quite disoriented
like, maybe the long extensions as well as .rakutest are the best possible things we can have, but nobody ever explained why so 12:58
and now I'm learning that both .t and .rakutest will be supported? Or not? I don't know, I'm very confused
I also don't know if both were supported and I had a choice, which one would I use? I hate having to choose tbh 12:59
Geth_ nqp: c05b600f19 | (Timo Paulssen)++ | src/vm/moar/HLL/Backend.nqp
profiler: one line per statement like earlier versions

comma had been assuming "one line is one statement", and since the files aren't meant to be read by humans anyway, this is the easiest fix.		 14:58
[Tux] Rakudo version 2019.07.1-365-g6297b0e46 - MoarVM version 2019.07.1-243-g1546c8c4d
csv-ip5xs0.786 - 0.790
csv-ip5xs-206.345 - 6.438
csv-parser22.454 - 22.474
csv-test-xs-200.431 - 0.437
test6.910 - 7.205
test-t1.735 - 1.762
test-t --race0.839 - 0.890
test-t-2029.497 - 30.733
test-t-20 --race9.287 - 9.667
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lucasb 6c: for 1|2|3 { .say } 17:24
committable6 lucasb, gist.github.com/0aba2f59030c549091...98ced0abab
lucasb bisectable6: for 1|2|3 { .say }
bisectable6 lucasb, Bisecting by output (old=2015.12 new=6297b0e) because on both starting points the exit code is 0
lucasb, bisect log: gist.github.com/ac61c81e6828a0d04d...ba2ba1edf9 17:25
lucasb, (2017-06-15) github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/9b...a9bb083507
lucasb ^^ info for R#3198
synopsebot R#3198 [open]: github.com/rakudo/rakudo/issues/3198 for any 1
AlexDaniel ouch 17:26
lucasb: you'll leave a comment, right? 17:28
I almost feel like I've seen that issue before… 17:29
lucasb AlexDaniel: done :) 17:34
AlexDaniel thanks :) 17:35
vrurg AlexDaniel: what confuses you in support of both .rakutest and .t? As if we don't have .t6 already. 19:19
AlexDaniel vrurg: well, the point of .rakutest was that for editors and tools it'll be so much easier to support it, right? Yet .t will need to be supported anyway, so we're not exactly making it easier? 19:22
ok, users might have slightly better experience with .rakutest, or at least that's the argument, but in terms of dev time it's same 19:23
vrurg AlexDaniel: we do. If I develop in vim – I can use .t in my project. If I develop in something else where .t is treated wrongfully – I choose .rakutest.
The point is make user's life easier, yes.
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Geth_ rakudo: vrurg++ created pull request #3199:
[WIP] Implement perl6/problem-solving#103		 21:30

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