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allbery_b rebuilds pugs for the first time in 3 weeks 00:35
allbery_b sighs --- still no smoke test 00:43
what do I have to downgrade to fix "Reference found where even-sized list expected" from Test::TAP::Model? 00:44
(or perhaps upgrade form !CPAN?)
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TimToady [1]+ Interrupt timtoady --runloop slow 01:23
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wolverian heh 01:34
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luqui needs a commit bit... 05:12
TimToady addr? 05:13
luqui [email@hidden.address] (that kind of addr?)
TimToady yes, hang on...
audreyt done. :) 05:14
TimToady darn it... :)
too slow finding the bookmark...
luqui :-)
audreyt invite.pugscode.org
the next time
TimToady I have a bookmark in my toolbar for it... 05:15
audreyt svn.openfoundry.org mergeback seems to be running fine
will do svn.perl.org soon
xinming audreyt: Could I do setup for svn.perl.org? :-)
TimToady is that to allow commits anywhere?
audreyt xinming: not sure Robrt will let you do that 05:16
xinming hmm,
audreyt TimToady: bidi commit, yes, but need clkao et al for it
xinming doesn't know if he has enough knowledge for this
audreyt will resume one-directional first
TimToady how does it handle collisions?
audreyt proxy 05:18
commit to master first
so, atomic
no collisions
i.e. the proxy commits to master on behalf of the user
TimToady how does that help to have things more local then?
audreyt faster checkout and commit
potentially federated auth
TimToady k 05:19
have you looked at recent syn diffs?
audreyt I finally set up my new screen via voodoo means
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audreyt yes, I had, just yesterday 05:19
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audreyt the stmt-expr-introducer unification is very nice! 05:19
luqui just implemented gather as statement_prefix 05:20
TimToady hope so. it's actually the very dangling syntax I profess to despise. :)
luqui and is waiting on his invite...
audreyt luqui: check spam folder too
luqui nada 05:21
audreyt ok. sec
I typo'ed your addr 05:24
sent again
TimToady hah, I shoulda done it anyway...
audreyt indeed
luqui ahh, got here in a flash
audreyt cool
need to get lunch soonish 05:25
but try to commit first and if there's some problems I can fix it in time :)
TimToady it's customary to add your name to AUTHORS first. :P
audreyt welcome aboard! </dejavu> 05:26
luqui commited sucessfully
svnbot6 r14903 | luqui++ | Implement gather as statement_prefix:<gather> as of S02 r13492
audreyt wow, quick
TimToady luqui++
audreyt luquick++
lunch, bbl, hopefully with integrated MO dispatch 05:27
&
luqui i didn't implement the whole statement_prefix class, unfortunately, I just hacked in gather 05:28
TimToady details, details...
luqui is there an architecture for the grammatical classes yet? 05:34
TimToady depends on what you mean by an architecture. from the standpoint of P6 grammars, it's supposed to be accessed via magic hashes: <%foo|%bar|%baz> that do longest token automagically. 05:35
from the other end 05:36
we're just looking for handy categories.
haven't really tried to put it all into any kind of matrix or anything.
or are you asking about the Haskell approach to them?
luqui yeah, the third end 05:37
TimToady I don't think pugs does magic hashes yet.
luqui hmm, does the magic hash approach work for things like infix which have precedence
I suppose it does given operator-precedence parser
TimToady according to Patrick with PGE, yes.
fridim In what proportion will "Complete distributions from the Pugs repository" be integreted as the standard modules ? 05:40
luqui about the proportion of the continuum hypothesis's truth... 05:41
(i.e. I (provably) have no idea ;-) 05:42
fridim :] 05:43
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pasteling "luquibot_r14903" at 67.174.183.183 pasted "Pugs build failure" (325 lines, 18K) at sial.org/pbot/21821 06:15
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gaal luqui: where's the error? 06:17
luqui don't mind that
gaal does it just hang?
ah.
luqui I am testing evalbot's ability to catch errors
gaal hello btw. 06:18
luqui hello :-)
pasteling "luquibot_r14903" at 67.174.183.183 pasted "Pugs build failure" (364 lines, 20.6K) at sial.org/pbot/21822 06:20
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luqui ah, that'll do 06:21
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svnbot6 r14904 | luqui++ | Made evalbot detect build errors and nopaste them. 06:26
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svnbot6 r14905 | kudra++ | Summary for the week 09:37
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svnbot6 r14906 | kudra++ | A tutorial for people who might be writing summaries in the future 10:04
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Tene I can't seem to find this in the docs anywhere... BUILD isn't called when adding a role to a pre-existing object... is there anything that is? 10:20
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DebolazX www.rafb.net/paste/results/p1hFXz75.txt <- Just something I spotted with pugs --help 11:56
wolverian DebolazX, good catch. looks like it's in 14906 too
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wolverian hm. 12:18
do I need to be added again to svn.pugscode.org if my last commit was on openfoundry?
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wolverian damn, make fast really is fast. :) 12:31
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wolverian DebolazX, I have it fixed in my local rep, I just can't commit right now. :) 12:38
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Nei how do I abbreviate (or write without $_) when 8 <= $_ <= 18 {..? 12:44
wolverian when 8..18 {
(but that's integer-precision, I think) 12:45
gaal actually it isn't, though it's all pugs supports right now.
Nei mhm I tried that but it doesnt seem to work
wolverian oh. right, it's a Range.
Nei maybe my pugs is too old 12:46
gaal wolverian: msg me your email please
wolverian gaal, got it? I don't remember if I'm identified :) 12:47
gaal you should be able to commit + add committers
wolverian did I have commitbit or did you add it?
gaal you already had metacommit
wolverian oh. is the username my email?
way too long since I last committed. :)
gaal remember that logins on invite.pugscode.org are full emails, not username
wolverian thanks! 12:48
that's it then
I hope I haven't forgotten my password too 12:49
gaal see /msg, your two emails aren't precisely the same 12:50
wolverian let's see if I can do it now 12:53
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wolverian gaal++ 13:06
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DebolazX Hmm.. does perl 6 have some keywords for true and false? 13:08
wolverian ?eval Bool::True
evalbot_r14906 Bool::True
wolverian ?eval true 1
evalbot_r14906 Bool::True
wolverian ?eval true 0
evalbot_r14906 Bool::False
DebolazX Just "True" and "False" worked too. :) 13:09
gaal ?eval ?42
evalbot_r14906 Bool::True
DebolazX tried "true" and "false". :/
DebolazX always felt a bit dirty making his own constants for it in perl 5. 13:17
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kane-xs hmm.. who killed irc.perl.org? 13:40
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xinming kane-xs: ??? 13:45
kane-xs: It's accessable
wolverian the whole of magnet is down for me
integral try accessing a server directly such as cou.ch, irc.mangband.org, irc.hellyeah.org, irc.sloth.org or blizzard.pobox.com 13:47
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xinming <@mst> yes, it is 13:48
21:49:35 <@mst> irc.perl.org has a duff box in the round robin dns
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wolverian RA layer request failed: REPORT request failed on '/pugs/!svn/bc/14906': REPORT of '/pugs/!svn/bc/14906': Compressed response was truncated (svn.pugscode.org) aaagh 14:08
lambdabot Title: Perl6 Community Development Server
wolverian oh, it picks up from where it left. yay
Coleoid nothingmuch: I'm trying to smoke pugs, and getting hundreds of errors out of TAP::Model. 14:33
"reference found where even-sized list expected..." line 172
Is this expected?
Or anyone who does smoke testing? 14:38
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allbery_b asked about that last night, no response 14:45
I have a vague recollection of someone mentioning that some dependency of Test::TAP::Model changed incompatibly, but I don't know which component or which version is needed for things to work :( 14:46
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Coleoid allbery_b: Thanks, I'll let you know if I figure it out... 14:55
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wolverian okay, being paranoid - can anyone else commit? 16:15
(it's giving me authorisation failed every time.) 16:16
audreyt worksforme.
svnbot6 r14907 | audreyt++ | * README: Fix trivial typo.
audreyt goto commitbit.pugscode.org to reset passwd? 16:17
wolverian I did. I'll try it again. gaal even created a new account for me, as I thought I had forgotten my p/w 16:19
no luck. :(
Authorisation failed: MKACTIVITY of '/pugs/!svn/act/c5c71a3a-cf24-0410-b16e-b9fad886dae2': authorisation failed (svn.pugscode.org)
lambdabot Title: Perl6 Community Development Server
audreyt are you behid some kind of hostile firewall? 16:20
/proxy
wolverian not that I know of :)
audreyt if so, maybe try svn.pugscode.org/
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wolverian no luck. on svk mirror --relocate I got: Authorisation failed: PROPFIND request failed on '/': PROPFIND of '/': authorisation failed (svn.pugscode.org) 16:22
audreyt ew
lemme check 16:23
wolverian no panic. btw, is the darcs mirror pushable?
audreyt no, not yet
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audreyt wolverian: try again 16:27
wolverian which one? :)
audreyt commit, "wolverian"
wolverian oh. 16:28
audreyt also you seems to be usig your mail as the second account to commit
that wouldn't work
wolverian right.
I was confused.
sigh. :)
thanks for setting me straight.
audreyt so it worked? :)
wolverian I think so! 16:29
wolverian looks at svnbot6
svnbot6 r14908 | wolverian++ | r4@pupu: wolverian | 2006-12-17 18:09:46 +0200
r14908 | wolverian++ | Small refactoring to Help.hs, and move the backends line up, spotted by DebolazX++
audreyt woot
wolverian oops, forgot verbatim (again)
audreyt goes happily back to sleep
wolverian audreyt++
audreyt wolverian++
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svnbot6 r14909 | wolverian++ | Pugs is -Ofun under the benevolent typechecker... 17:29
wolverian (I added banks's culture series to READTHEM)
fridim karma wolverian 17:42
wolverian did you mean @karma? 17:43
fridim To know how many ++ you've got :)
wolverian @karma wolverian 17:45
lambdabot You have a karma of 3
wolverian hmm.
@karma audreyt
lambdabot audreyt has a karma of 41
wolverian heh.
meppl gute nacht 17:50
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fridim @karma fridim 20:31
lambdabot You have a karma of 0
fridim fridim--
@karma fridim
lambdabot You have a karma of 0
fridim of course, i can't. 20:32
perl6++
wolverian heh
fridim OO++
what is the reason to have not done : for my $i in @alist { } ? 20:33
wolverian probably it was felt that the array should be mentioned first. 20:34
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I.. I can use whitespace again. :O 20:37
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DebolazX $foo.bar: 1,2,3; is actually a syntax I've wanted. So it was sort of a weird experience that I just discovered while reading S12 that you actually can do that.. 20:41
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Ovid Anhyone here? 21:21
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Ovid Anyone listening right now? 21:24
allbery_b fsvo 21:27
Ovid What's 'fsvo'?
allbery_b 'for some value of'
Ovid Ah.
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allbery_b is actually tracking #haskell and cognet:#lopsa and occasionally peeking in here when xchat2 says there's been activity 21:28
Ovid Well, if anyone is listening and knows the answer, I'm curious as to why the following is only printing the letter "h".
my @array = <a b c d e f g h i j k>;
@array.splice(3, 5).perl.say;
lambdabot Unknown command, try @list
luqui Ovid, looks like a bug to me 21:30
looks like a context thing
?eval my @a = <a b c d e f g h i j k>; @a.splice(3,5) 21:31
evalbot_r14909 "h"
Ovid I was thinking that, but I can't find where the exact behavior of splice() is documened for Perl 6. If it's returning a list, am I only calling 'perl.say' on the first element?
luqui ?eval my @a = <a b c d e f g h i j k>; my @b = @a.splice(3,5); @b
evalbot_r14909 ["d", "e", "f", "g", "h"]
luqui ought to be documented in docs/Perl6/Spec/Functions.pod 21:32
Ovid Thanks! 21:33
luqui but return values are not documented there :-)
darn
Ovid Yeah, reading through it now. 21:34
luqui it seems like the behavior we're seeing is explicitly written 21:36
Ovid Hmm, at least there's a decent sized test for it in t/builtins/array/splice.t.
luqui Prim.hs:1427: ifListContext (return $ VList vals') (return $ last (undef:vals')) 21:37
GeJ Gorr morning all 21:38
Ovid Morning.
luqui: I don't know what that means. 21:39
luqui it says "if we're in list context, then return the spliced values; if we're in scalar context, return the last of such values"
(or undef if there are none)
Ovid Ah, so that's scalar context because we're calling the perl() method. What would be a reasonable fix? 21:41
luqui well, the fix is easy, if it should be fixed...
Ovid Er, more importantly, what's the exact behavior which should be expected here?
luqui unspecced, but the test suite thinks it's working just how it should
but it isn't working the way I think it should ;-) 21:42
Ovid Agreed :)
luqui so do you think it should return a reference to the list in scalar context? 21:45
Ovid It would either be a reference to a list or a count, I should think. I think a reference to a list would be more appropriate and would fix this "almost" bug. 21:46
luqui ref makes more sense, since if you put it in numeric context you'll get a count
Ovid Ah, right. I forgot about numeric context. (Trying to reread a bunch of synopses right now as I'm so far behind in my Perl 6 knowledge). 21:47
svnbot6 r14910 | luqui++ | Specced the return value of splice. @Larry.check xx 2. 21:51
Ovid I also have to say that the Perl 5 behavior of returning the last item from a list while in scalar context is just about useless (though I understand why it's done), so I'd be happy to see that behavior go away in Perl 6.
Luke: You specced that behavior. Did you write a test? If not, I'd be happy to take a stab at it. 21:52
luqui go ahead. I'll work on the implementation
ingy hola
luqui hola ingy
Ovid Hi ingy.
ingy hi luqui
and Ovid sir
Kwiki should soon have plugins written in Perl 6 21:53
luqui :-)
Ovid luqui: I do notice that the tests explicitly say that in scalar context it returns the last element. Does this imply that this was a desired feature, or did someone make the tests fit the current behavior? 21:54
luqui I'm thinking that it was desired (probably because that was perl5's behavior). So I changed it, and asked to get smacked if I was wrong :- 21:55
:-)
Ovid Er, just to make sure I'm not smoking crack, is the following test valid? 21:59
svnbot6 r14911 | luqui++ | Implemented listref return value for splice.
Ovid @a = ('red', 'green', 'blue');
is( splice(@a, 1, 2), [<green blue>],
"splice() in scalar context returns an array reference");
lambdabot Maybe you meant: all-dicts arr ask . v
luqui I think that will work... so long as is() takes a scalar as its first argument 22:01
you can commit, right?
Ovid There was a test already there which verified "splice() in scalar context", so I just altered the second argument. And yes, I have a commit bit, but I haven't used it in a while, so we'll see :) 22:02
My commit bit appears to have been flipped :( (or I have my password wrong) 22:05
jrockway Ovid: i think you can reset your password via the CommitBit interface, but I could be wrong 22:07
it also shows a list of committers that it knows about, so check if you're on it :)
Ovid Where would I find that? 22:08
luqui Ovid, what's your email 22:09
jrockway it's at commitbit.pugscode.com
luqui (pm if you like)
jrockway you're on the list, but there's no password reset interface :/
Ovid I see now. There was a link Audrey sent me to change my password, but I get redirected to svn.pugscode.org:9999/error/let_me/invalid_token 22:10
luqui hm,
I'll try again 22:11
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luqui does anybody know how to relocate to the new repo using svn? 22:28
Ovid Anyone know subversion? I'm getting the following error when I try to relocate the repository:
pugs $ svn switch --relocate svn.openfoundry.org/pugs svn.pugscode.org/pugs/
subversion/libsvn_client/relocate.c:54: (apr_err=195009)
svn: The repository at 'svn.pugscode.org/pugs' has uuid 'c213334d-75ef-0310-aa23-eaa082d1ae64', but the WC has '12242aa7-dc21-0410-817b-c41c31cd50c7'
lambdabot Title: Revision 14911: / 22:29
Tene Hey, luqui did you know that on IRC you can associate a string of text with a channel.
They call it a "topic"
Ovid :)
luqui Tene, did you know that the topic is talking about svk, and we are talking about svn
Tene It's often used to put useful information in an easily-accessible place.
luqui: look closer.
Ovid The topic says 'svn switch ...", not svk. 22:30
luqui duh
Tene What are the first three letters?
luqui did it used to talk about svk?
Tene Nope.
luqui okay. well, I was really asking on behalf of ovid 22:31
so, do s:g/luqui\N*$// on the last 20 lines or so 22:33
Ovid Whee! Looks like I have commit access again. 22:54
svnbot6 r14912 | Ovid++ | Test that splice in scalar context return an array reference.
r14912 | Ovid++ | This is for a bugfix by luqui where the following would only print the last
r14912 | Ovid++ | element of the splice:
r14912 | Ovid++ | @some_array.splice(3,7).perl.say;
Ovid OK, heading to bed. Night all! 22:58
Debolaz What was the motivation behind an operator like =+<<? It seems more or less just to prove that it can be done, $foo += sum @bar; seems more readable without any obvious disadventages.. 23:17
luqui where do you see an operator like =+<< ? 23:19
jrockway << doesn't imply hyper in this case? although i would probably write my $sum = @number>>.sum 23:21
luqui oh, I suppose you mean +=<< ?
jrockway actually that doesn't make sense 23:22
dduncan So are there GHC 6.6 binaries available for BSD now? I didn't see any mentioned at haskell.org/ghc/download_ghc_66.html , but audreyt said that was a precondition for removing 6.4.x support from Pugs, and said support was removed today.
lambdabot Title: GHC: Download version 6.6
luqui that makes sense if @number is an array of arrays
Debolaz Actually, I just read it in "Perl 6 Now".
jrockway really depends on how smart "sum" is
yeah
Debolaz It just occured to me that the book is a bit outdated to the current development status.
jrockway sum (a,b,c,d) = sum(sum(a,b),sum(c,d))
but that's not what >> does 23:23
dduncan afaik, sum in Perl 6 is spelled [+]
jrockway right, i'm just being explicit
dduncan in other words, reduce meta-operator on +
jnthn So $sum += [+] @values; is the same as $sum +=<< @values; ? 23:24
luqui woah, pugs has gotten smarter 23:25
Debolaz Perl 6 Now has this explicit example that "$count =+<< @things" is the exact (in terms of results) equivalent of "for (@things) { $count += $_ }"
luqui ?eval sub infix:<@@> ($a, $b) { $a + $b }; [@@] 1..10
evalbot_r14912 55
jnthn I'm sure that should be +=<< rather than =+<< 23:26
luqui Debolaz, well, perhaps, except order is not guaranteed. So if your + is not commutative and associative then it's not necessarily the same..
but then you shouldn't call things that aren't commutative and associative "+"
jrockway the =+<< makes more sense 23:27
Debolaz luqui: Just quoting the book.
jrockway since $sum is not affected by =+<< , hopefully
maybe we need +=+<< :)
luqui =+<< is two operators isn't it?
@y =+<< @x # numify all elements in x and assign to y 23:28
lambdabot Maybe you meant: yarr yhjulwwiefzojcbxybbruweejw yow . v
luqui lambdabot is too smart. that's exactly what I meant!
jnthn luqui: That's what I was seeing. 23:29
luqui oh, wait
jnthn I'd expect +=<< to be adding each thing in the array to whatever is to the left hand side...
luqui we've flip-flopped on this too much
jnthn Yeah, I know hypers have changed a bit...I may be out of date. 23:30
luqui but +=<< isn't an operator (or at one point it wasn't); it should be >>+=<<
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jrockway why both? 23:30
jnthn Aha, since you got an array either side. That's sane.
luqui because += is binary
jrockway isn't the >>(something<< for lists on each side?
yeah
luqui well, last I was here (which was a while ago), it didn't matter which was on which side
jrockway hehe
luqui binary operators get >><<, unaries get >> and << 23:31
jnthn thought he understood hypers once :-)
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jrockway it makes sense when @list2 = @list1>>.method 23:31
after that...
GeJ dduncan: audreyt said that 6.4 can be used to bootstrap 6.6. Writing a PR to FreeBSD to upgrade ghc is in my TODO list, but you can probably do it too.
luqui ?eval my @y = (1..5); say =@y; say =@y; say @y; 23:32
Debolaz uses 6.6 on FreeBSD. Built manually though.
dduncan well, I don't use BSD myself, but I understood that other people did, and for their sake the 6.4 support removal was being delayed
evalbot_r14912 OUTPUT[12345␤12345␤12345␤] Bool::True
luqui ?eval my @y = (1..5); say +=@y; say +=@y; say @y; 23:33
evalbot_r14912 OUTPUT[␤] Error: Can't modify constant item: VBool True
luqui ?eval my @y = (1..5); say +(=@y); say +(=@y); say @y;
evalbot_r14912 OUTPUT[1␤2␤345␤] Bool::True
luqui ?eval my @y = (1..5); say +(=@y),";"; say +(=@y),";"; say @y;
evalbot_r14912 OUTPUT[1;␤2;␤345␤] Bool::True
luqui ?eval my @x = 1..3; my @y = 4..6; @x >>+<< @y 23:34
evalbot_r14912 (5, 7, 9)
luqui ?eval my @x = 1..3; my @y = 4..6; @x >>+=<< @y
evalbot_r14912 Error: ␤Unexpected ">>+=<<"␤expecting operator
luqui hmm
?eval my $x = 0; my @y = 4..6; $x +=<< @y
evalbot_r14912 Error: ␤Unexpected end of input␤expecting block, "\\", variable name, ">>" or "<<"
luqui oh
+=<< is parsed as += << (where the << opens a quote) 23:35
GeJ dduncan: Ok, well, I'll try to find some time this week
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