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TimToady honestly, I think I could redefine the whole language over Christmas and no one would notice. :) 01:50
Tene TimToady: howso? 01:55
TimToady 'cuz it seems like no one is reading p6l right now. :) 01:57
I guess Perl people have too many families, or somethin' 01:58
araujo haha 01:59
TimToady I've been trying to remember who was carping about the smartmatching tables not being consistent in the synopses, and can't. I hope they like the new version better. 02:01
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araujo bets if TimToady makes a release announcement 'half' of the world will be talking about perl6 02:02
dduncan regarding the 'cat' operator ... AFAIK, it is meant to evoke the Unix 'cat' utility, but I think that for a lot of people that name is ambiguously confusing ... I suggest an alternative name, perhaps 'concat', instead 02:03
for one thing, I usually find abbreviated names easier to understand if they involve the start of the word or phrase they are summarizing 02:04
TimToady I think there is little chance of people confusing the operator with a feline.
araujo haha
dduncan how many other operators don't resemble the start of the word they are summarizing? 02:05
TimToady there are people who use the word "catenate"
con is just "with" noise from Latin 02:06
dduncan so catenate is the actual base word?
TimToady you'd have to ask a Roman
anyway, nobody who's ever had anything to do with Unix would be confused. 02:07
araujo very similar to spanish 02:08
TimToady dinner is calling; I got me one of them thar families too, seems. &
araujo 'concatenar' == 'con' == 'with'
dduncan fyi, 'cat' means 'catalog' to me
araujo catenar being the base word
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dduncan I see 'cat' evoking 'categorize' or 'catalog' or other words in a lot of people before 'concatenate' ... which is why I brought this subject up ... I know there would be no confusing with a feline 02:18
but, whatever, people will learn whatever it is chosen to mean 02:20
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wolverian I thought of the feline kind first. weird experience, that. 03:20
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svnbot6 r14935 | lwall++ | change "is from" to ":= cat" 05:37
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beppu{home} For any of you who have watched Eben Moglen's speech at the recent Plone Conference ( www.youtube.com/watch?v=NorfgQlEJv8 ), ... 05:51
What do you think he meant when he said that the Perl community was "Inward Looking"?
FYI, It's about 42 minutes into the talk.
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cognominal it has a strong identity that is slow to share :) 07:00
btw, criticizing Perl by putting up to par with gcc is not so much a critic btw. 07:02
He says that today economy is strengthened by communauties and that Perl is not strong at that but all his talks is about free software building communauties... 07:04
beats me.
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gaal you could call it conc and confuse everyone who ever knew lisp, as well as everyone who never did 07:20
dduncan mind you, 'cat' is better than 'con' 07:22
or 'oncat'
gaal I don't know whnce this discordian mood, but you could also call it tack, confusing unix folks who might be thinkicn of tac(1). 07:26
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masak re the ":= cat" syntax, why not use ":= tie" or something? right now it seems the comment has to explain that ":= cat" ties the scalar to the filehandle 12:26
whereas if it said "my $stream := tie $fh;", it would be obvious
just my €0.02, i haven't really looked deeply into the issue 12:27
ayrnieu what currency of cents are those?
gaal euro 12:28
just to make sure: @lines := =fh is already lazy w/o modifications, right? 12:29
because I thought we encountered problems with close-before-read precisely on filehandles 12:30
and audreyt changed =$fh to be strict in response.
so I'm not saying anything about the cat/tie/whatever language feature, except that the example in the docs may not be a good one. 12:31
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gaal mooses 16:41
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GeJ Merry Xm􏿽xF8􏿽xF8se all! 21:04
masak yes, merry holidays 21:12
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