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oeoeoeo www.gov-civil-leiria.pt/index.php?p.../cmd.txt?? 01:40
lambdabot Title: Governo Civil de Leiria, tinyurl.com/2fdcjl
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dduncan it appears that nntp.perl.org has been down for the last few hours 02:57
for that matter, search.cpan.org is also down 02:58
[particle] see log.perl.org 02:59
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dduncan looking ... 03:05
okay ... 03:06
and I didn't know that server exists ... count it as learning something new
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prism I wonder 04:24
actually I dont 04:25
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allbery_b you wonder as you wander? 04:27
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gummybearx hi, i have a question: 06:08
is the new method invocation operator going to replace '->' or merely supplement it?
revdiablo Replace 06:09
gummybearx argh. ok, thanks
revdiablo Why argh?
gummybearx i kinda liked '->' tho. it was an eccentricity....
made perl unique. 06:10
Caelum likes -> too
but . is more standard and all that
gummybearx yeah, but we dont want to be like java, do we?
revdiablo I always thought Perl used -> to look similar to C structs, or maybe that was just a coincidence 06:11
Though . is easier to type and fewer characters, so I don't really mind the change 06:12
gummybearx well, i dk about c, but at first i thought '->' was crazy talk, coming from java
dduncan -> never made Perl unique, it copied C
and now . copies other things
revdiablo gummybearx: It would take a lot more than syntax to make perl "be like" java in any significant way =)
dduncan practically speaking, the . is much better huffmanizing than ->
gummybearx weell, yes
dduncan you invoke methods a lot, and . doesn't require using the shift key like -> does 06:13
gummybearx thats true. strains my frail wrists
revdiablo It's one keypress vs three
gummybearx its prolly just change.... hard to get used to 06:14
if . is more common, then why has the foreach loop moved away from for my $x (@a) {}? 06:15
revdiablo What? 06:16
dduncan because for @foo -> $elem {} is much nicer
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dduncan way to do foreach 06:17
gummybearx well.... it isnt as intuitive as saying foreach thing in bucket
revdiablo dduncan++ # Deciphering
dduncan besides, where is . used for foreaches?
gummybearx seperate thought
dduncan even in Perl 5, the recommended spelling of 'foreach' is 'for'
gummybearx it isnt, two seperate thoughts
dduncan so in Perl 5, one should say "for my $elem (@list) {}" 06:18
revdiablo gummybearx: I can't imagine many people successfully rely on intuition to learn a programming language
gummybearx i meant as a human would interpret the loop, in english
dduncan for humans, the order works either way ...
its "for each elem in list" vs "for each list elem" 06:19
those being the perl 5 and 6 directions respectively
gummybearx i suppose. like i said. teething.
dduncan personally, I like nearly or entirely everything that perl 6 changed from perl 5, and perl 5 is otherwise my favorite programming language
revdiablo gummybearx: You don't think the visual of the arrow pointing into the variable is intuitive? 06:20
dduncan: Yeah, it is a pleasure to write Perl 6 code
It feels just like I would imagine Perl done better
dduncan uh-hu
gummybearx revdiablo, i like the arrow, it makes you think $thing is "emerging" from list 06:21
but also reminiscent of a method invocation, just at a glance.... at least an old 5 invocation 06:22
revdiablo You can't invoke a method on an array in perl 5 ;)
gummybearx yea, i know, but if you were glancing over pages of code, it would be a "huh?" moment 06:23
but i digress
revdiablo I don't think that reaction would last very long after learning Perl 6
gummybearx haha, yes
Caelum revdiablo: you can sorta with Autobox 06:24
revdiablo Caelum: Quiet you!
Caelum hehe
gummybearx i agree with dduncan tho, perl has quickly become my favorite language 06:25
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gummybearx what is the date of release perl 6? 06:29
s/date/ballpark date/ 06:30
revdiablo I think the official answer is "Eventually" 06:31
Or, as they like to say, "by Christmas"
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gummybearx just in time for the holiday buying season! 06:33
cya all 06:41
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gaal @tell Limbic_Region hmmm, what revision do you mean by "pad refactor"? r15828 was committed and immediately reverted in r15829. Could you please try again with HEAD and a clean build? 07:57
lambdabot Consider it noted.
meppl good morning
gaal @tell Limbic_Region If that doesn't work, tracking back would be useful. 07:58
lambdabot Consider it noted.
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sparvu morning 08:53
unobe evening :-) 08:54
moritz mornin!
unobe well, yeah, technically for me too, just really early morning 08:55
sparvu Im working to get pugs on Solaris 10,11 ready. Looks a problem with ld(1) linker found in Solaris 11.
Solaris 10 should be fine. Im testing these things now
moritz sparvu++ # portability 08:56
sparvu :)
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fmerges hi 11:42
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moritz hi 12:18
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riffraff hi everyone 12:27
thoughtpolice hey 12:28
moritz thoughtpolice: I wrote an email to the perl webmaster(s) suggesting to add your blog to the planetsix.perl.org feed 12:30
no response 'til now 12:31
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thoughtpolice moritz: thanks :) 12:32
moritz thoughtpolice: no problem... it would allow me to shorten my RSS list ;) 12:33
thoughtpolice nice :)
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lumi gaal: What's your borkage? Need more eyes? 13:14
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gaal lumi: the problem is that something probably still in ruleExp is committing to <-, so throws an unexpected ">". 13:20
Limbic_Region: you never get @tells, apparently
lumi: patch coming up, sec 13:21
lumi gaal: I have to go now actually, I have this thing in Tel Aviv
gaal heh ok
no rush
on either moose
unless you're premeeting with S or something 13:22
lumi Any particular S? I'm not
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pasteling "gaal" at 192.115.25.249 pasted "rw iterator patch wip" (128 lines, 5.6K) at sial.org/pbot/25445 13:28
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gaal so with the patch (which is ugly; still thinking of ways to avoid EEK there) <-> gives an "Unexpected '>'" parsefail 13:29
but I gotta go. moose &
Limbic_Region no tells? 13:30
lambdabot Limbic_Region: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them.
Limbic_Region @messages
lambdabot gaal said 5h 33m 10s ago: hmmm, what revision do you mean by "pad refactor"? r15828 was committed and immediately reverted in r15829. Could you please try again with HEAD and a clean build?
gaal said 5h 32m 2s ago: If that doesn't work, tracking back would be useful.
Limbic_Region @tell gaal I have been too busy with work to pay much attention to #perl6 It isn't that important ATM
lambdabot Consider it noted.
Limbic_Region @tell gaal but thanks
lambdabot Consider it noted.
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ashleyb @tell fglock: P::C::R doesn't play nice for me when using 'perl -d:Trace' I often get "Attempt to free unreferenced scalar: SV 0x96af260, Perl interpreter: 0x814e008 at /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.4/Pugs/Runtime/Regex.pm line 88." type errors. 14:44
lambdabot Consider it noted.
ashleyb @tell fglock however that error will not show up if not in the debugger -- a hiesenbug 14:45
lambdabot Consider it noted.
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moritz perl 5.8.4... that's a bit old, isn't it? 14:46
2004-Apr-21 says perlhist - even debian has a never one ;) 14:47
ashleyb it's debian current
moritz apt-cache policy perl 14:48
*** 5.8.8-7 0
500 ftp://ftp2.de.debian.org etch/main Packages
and etch == stable atm
ashleyb hmmm 14:49
interesting
moritz maybe an old version of a self installed module? 14:50
ashleyb my PCR got installed under those dirs but the debian is using 5.8.8
moritz weird
how are installing? via cpan?
ashleyb cause I installed PCR via cpan before the last debian update
moritz I use dh-make-perl most of the time, works like a charm
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sparvu hey 16:26
moritz hi sparvu ;)
sparvu I identified the problem with pugs and Solaris. Basically Im building now pugs on Solaris 10 16:27
But on Solaris 11(aka Nevada, the next version of Solaris) the linker has been changed
so the new ld(1) has introduced some extra checks which led to the mentioned errors
moritz any workaround?
sparvu Basically: if somebody will want to have pugs on Solaris, they must be on S10, not on Nevada 16:28
At the moment I have escalated this with Sun's linker group
they are looking into. Plus the ghc maintainer of Solaris 10 package
moritz cool, sparvu++
sparvu People are very commited to make things work :)
moritz "things" seems to a good make target ;) 16:29
sparvu yeah, the process of getting pugs running on Solaris is not very dirty but require some step. I will document soon on my site and post instructions 16:30
I will first test couple of days and see if I can get as well this to work on S11
I will keep you informed
thanks all for help
moritz it would be greate if you could contribute a section to the INSTALL file 16:31
sparvu will do that later. I need to rerun the procedure several times - make sure everything is ok 16:38
moritz ok
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moritz pugs currently has a builtin regex <number> that matches one digit 16:51
?eval "123" ~~ m/<number>/
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evalbot_r16650 *** Cannot parse regex: <number>ā¤*** Error: ā¤Match.new(ā¤ ok => Bool::False, ā¤ from => 0, ā¤ to => 0, ā¤ str => "", ā¤ sub_pos => (), ā¤ sub_named => {}ā¤) 16:51
moritz oh no, my fault
it matches the whole string on my maschine 16:52
evalbot-- # problem with character classes
but I'd expect <number> to match any (real) number, not just \d+ 16:55
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obra Hey pugs hackers 17:41
qmole hey jesse 17:43
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gaal rehi 18:06
lambdabot gaal: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them.
gaal L~R: ack. 18:07
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nothingmuch moosemoose 18:46
moritz ?eval "moose" x 3 18:48
evalbot_r16650 "moosemoosemoose"
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lambdabot Title: Gladiatus Server 4 -
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rindolf Hi all. 20:23
moritz hi rindolf
rindolf Quick question - if ($$l !~ m{\G([^\<\[\]\&]*)}gms) - why does it sometimes fail to match.
moritz: hi.
moritz are you talking p5? 20:24
rindolf moritz: yes, Perl 5. 20:25
moritz hm, seems like a bug to me
anything* should always match
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Tene rindolf: can you provide an example of a non-matching string? 20:30
rindolf Tene: wait a sec. 20:34
moritz '[' doesn't match 20:35
sorry, does match... I missed the !~
rindolf perl -e 'my $s = "[<hello>]" ; my $l = \$s; $$l =~ m{^\[}g; if (! $$l =~ m{\G([^\<]*)}) { die "Foo"; }' 20:36
I mean I cannot reproduce it with perl -e 'my $s = "[<hello>]" ; my $l = \$s; $$l =~ m{^\[}g ; if ($$l !~ m{\G([^\<]*)}) { die "Foo"; }' 20:38
Maybe it's a heisenbug.
moritz does it occur without the referencing/dereferencing thingy? 20:39
maybe pos doesn't like references? 20:40
perl -wle 'my $s = "[<hello>]"; $s =~ m{^\[}g; die "Foo" if $s !~ m{\G([^\<]*)}';
does not die 20:41
Tene rindolf: you don't need to escape < in a character class
rindolf Tene: I know.
Tene So why are you?
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rindolf This makes no sense. 20:54
Tene: to be on the safe side. 20:55
Tene: in Perl 6 they have a meaning.
The exact same string with the same expression now succeeds.
same pos($$l) too.
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