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Set by diakopter on 11 July 2007.
juerd feather is going down for its hardware upgrade real soon now 00:07
I'm going to try and mount its filesystems readonly 00:08
If that works, you can still IRC and do stuff like that
If not, I'm taking it offline
pasteling "pugsbot_r17185" at 193.200.132.18 pasted "Pugs build failure" (6 lines, 278B) at sial.org/pbot/27363 01:09
Juerd feather is back :) 01:32
Juerd Oh, fuck 01:33
It doesn't recognise both CPUs yet, in the VM
That means I'm going to reboot it again in a few moments
Once I figure out how to configure this :)
daxim_ go to sleep 01:36
Juerd Later... :) 01:38
pasteling "pugsbot_r17185" at 193.200.132.135 pasted "Pugs build failure" (6 lines, 278B) at sial.org/pbot/27364 01:39
pasteling "pugsbot_r17185" at 193.200.132.135 pasted "Pugs build failure" (6 lines, 278B) at sial.org/pbot/27365 01:40
Juerd There it is :) 01:41
dev.pugscode.org/ is noticably less slow :) 01:49
pugs_svnbot r17725 | pmurias++ | [kp6] a simple Test.pm
diff: dev.pugscode.org/changeset/17725
lambdabot Title: Pugs - Trac
Title: Changeset 17725 - Pugs - Trac
TimToady commitbit comes up in about 5 seconds now 01:50
anybody want a commit bit? :) 01:53
Juerd 5 seconds is nice, compared to what it was :) 01:54
Limbic_Region agrees 02:03
I even remembered my password
Juerd commitbit pages load in 2 seconds here, even :) 02:06
pugs_svnbot r17726 | pmurias++ | [kp6] named perl5 tokens 08:38
diff: dev.pugscode.org/changeset/17726
lambdabot Title: Changeset 17726 - Pugs - Trac
wolverian whoops 09:28
beppu . 10:36
How has audreyt been lately? Is she back in good health? Is pugs moving again? 10:37
(not that it ever stopped moving... )
agentzh beppu: seen audreyt's recent commits to jifty's repos 10:45
beppu: pugs is still moving
beppu: mostly in the test suite and the kp6 project 10:46
beppu: (assuming kp6/mp6/pcr is part of the pugs project)
wolverian mu 10:47
beppu agentzh: Thank you for the update. 10:51
agentzh beppu: np :) 10:54
bloonix good morning 11:15
DarkWolf84 bloonix, good morning 11:32
DarkWolf84 for me is allready afternoon 11:47
:)
agentzh for me, it's already evening
:)
DarkWolf84 It's too quiet here from some time 12:26
masak Juerd++ # for upgrading feather 12:27
szbalint yay 12:32
Juerd Now use it :) 12:33
It's scary seeing a 0.0x load
masak heh
give people time to adjust
szbalint what was the old hardware like and what's the new hardware like? 12:34
Juerd szbalint: Old: P4 2.8, 1 GB, 2*80 SATA
szbalint: New: C2D 2.33, 4 GB, 3*120 SATA
szbalint I see the improvement :) 12:35
Juerd It runs xen now
The semipublic part gets 2.5 GB ram
And the more important stuff can be hosted on separate virtual machines for proper separation
Things like the SVN repository.
So they keep running if someone fscks the semipublic server up
szbalint nice 12:36
Juerd (expect lag) 13:56
Juerd That's what happens if the physical box is shut down and started again 13:58
feather1 keeps running :) 13:59
integral oh wow, virtualisation++ 14:00
Juerd Indeed :) 14:03
Juerd lvm++ too, BTW 14:08
I just discovered that I did something stupid: I made the filesystem for feather0 only 4 GB 14:09
But that means it can't store all its VM states, because that'd total somewhere around 4 GB too
Luckily I used lvm for the rest of feather0, and could easily add a 5 GB filesystem for this during runtime
(the reboot was just to check if it'd remount correctly)
masak in some sense, Perl will be 20 years this year 16:03
dec 18 16:04
there seems to be prior art in releasing perl versions by christmas :)
Limbic_Region masak - well, considering there are only 6 days after Xmas and 358 days before xmas, it is always a good chance perl will be released by/before xmas 16:07
masak true
Limbic_Region it is of course just a marketing ploy
masak yes
Limbic_Region larry has the highest chance of under promising and over delivering that way
masak though I was using "by" in the sense "close to" here
Limbic_Region ;-)
well, to be honest I would have put money on THIS xmas if audreyt was still burning the candle with a flamethrower 16:09
I am glad she took a break
and I am also glad so much work has started happening outside of pugs directly
so I am likely going to make a public wager on xmas 2008 16:10
TimToady and Perl will then be old enough to drink. :) 16:13
Limbic_Region champagne to celebrate
masak Limbic_Region: you're the first one I hear describing audreyt's current state as "taking a break" 16:14
maybe I ought to be less worried about her health than I am
Limbic_Region masak - well, worrying is a useless emotion 16:15
if you meant concerned, then the concern is likely justified
I have only talked to her a few times and she seems to be positive 16:16
TimToady Audrey must take good care of herself. I'd much rather have Audrey alive and Perl dead than the other way around.
masak Limbic_Region: my level of English permits me little distinction between "concerned" and "worried". the latter seemed a little more involved/active
szbalint Agreed.
masak TimToady: yes, of course 16:17
Limbic_Region I think everyone here echos TimToady's sentiment
Limbic_Region perlbot .se 16:19
perlbot .se is Sweden
Limbic_Region masak - you're use of 'worry' versus 'concerned' was fine. It is just a hang up I have.
masak heh 16:20
I'm not sure I understood the exact nature of you hang-up
Limbic_Region masak - let me try and explain
masak lets Limbic_Region try to explain 16:21
Limbic_Region typically, when I hear people say they are worried over something they mean that they are running scenarios over and over in their head and stressing out over what ifs and what not
masak ok
TimToady worry is generally construed as obsessive, while concern is not 16:22
Limbic_Region right
obessive without outlet
masak it might be a false friend due to my Swedish 16:23
I think both "worried" and "concerned" map to the same word
Limbic_Region no worries
masak :)
Limbic_Region I know that audreyt appreciates all of our well wishes and she has indicated that she misses us
szbalint well at least as a non-native english my interpretation would be worried as a stronger version of concerned
masak szbalint: yes, me too 16:24
szbalint but of course my english is bad :)
masak perhaps it's too strong for this occasion
I'll have to adjust my intuition about the word
TimToady "to worry" actually comes from middle English "to strangle"
masak *lol*
TimToady as what a dog does to its prey
so it still has some violent overtones, though it has softened considerably 16:25
masak now I will never be able to use the word again
TimToady don't let it worry you. :)
Limbic_Region heh
masak I'll just think about the dog strangling its prey
Juerd Do dogs do that? 16:26
szbalint heh that sentence, TimToady, sound much more comforting now :)
*sounds
Juerd For some reason, the new feather only reaches 75 Mb/s 16:27
Limbic_Region masak - I see worry as an emotion that results in the person worrying undue physical and emotional detriment while not affecting the external situation of which they are obsessing about (i.e. obssession without outlet)
Juerd It's enough, but I wonder why it isn't faster
Limbic_Region: Would you say that concern is less emotional, more rational? 16:28
nwc10 75 Mb/s of what?
Juerd nwc10: Network traffic. 16:29
nwc10 ah
masak Limbic_Region: sounds like "to worry" has a completely differend meaning than I attributed to it. more like Swedish "att älta" -- to mentally or verbally reprocess a past or future situation 16:30
Juerd It's connected at 100 Mb/s, and it should reach at least 90
But 10 would suffice too, in practice :)
Limbic_Region Juerd - sort of. What I like to do in a situation in which one might worry is run through the possibilities of an outcome I have no control. Determine what I might do in each of the situations. Determine if there is anything I can do to feel better about the situation (prayer, letting someone else know that I am ok, etc) then I rest
Juerd - I still may have extreme feelings and emotions but I stop the process when it is no longer of any benefit 16:31
Limbic_Region that doesn't mean I stop feeling the way I do - just that I don't let it overwhelm me 16:31
TimToady afk & # walking, worry about busses :)
Juerd
.oO( dog strangling a bus )
 16:32
masak
.oO( nekobuso )
masak watched 'tonari no totoro' yesterday, great movie 16:33
wonder if the director ever watched Alice in Wonderland
TimToady s/nekobuso/nekobasu/ & 16:35
masak TimToady: oh. didn't know that. I'm sure I've only seen the former spelling on the web, but it might just be a lot of web authors with the same English preconceptions as I had 16:36
...or I simply misremember :) 16:37
might be my Esperanto interfering
TimToady you certainly don't want to say "busu" in Japan, or any old ladies nearby will take great offence 16:38
since it means "old hag"
masak oops
TimToady but buso doesn't mean anything, afaik 16:38
masak www.higashiko.net/nekobus/magicnekoride.jpg 16:39
just seeing it makes me happy
TimToady anyway, if I ever get hit by a basu, I'll hope it's a nekobasu...
masak :)
certainly.
TimToady afk & # really 16:40
nothingmuch f4.aaa.livedoor.jp/~shozy/files/nek...ekobus.jpg 17:15
masak can't get the theme song "totoro" out of his head today 17:16
no matter how many times I play it... 17:17
moritz_ masak: wrong approach 17:18
masak: play www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdxkVQy7QLM a few times, that could help ;) 17:19
masak thx, I will ;) 17:20
pmurias does it make sense in kp6 to implicitly prefix all module names with GLOBAL::? 18:05
TimToady or GLOBAL::GLOBAL::GLOBAL::GLOBAL::GLOBAL:: if you want to sound like a turkey 18:06
moritz_ aren't there nested classes and namespaces? 18:36
pmurias moritz_: there are 19:04
moritz_ does GLOBAL:: prefix break that? 19:15
pmurias moritz_: why should it 19:36
? 19:37
in p6 GLOBAL:: dosn't changed anything
it's like main:: in perl5
what i'm considering is how should perl6 packages be maped to perl5 ones 19:38
it makes a difference for solving name conflicts with perl5 packages 19:39
p6 Test.pm vs p5 Test.pm
pmurias how should i use Module::Compile? 20:12
pasteling Someone at 81.168.228.98 pasted "dosn't work" (8 lines, 158B) at sial.org/pbot/27377 20:15
pmurias it warns put the reuturned code dosn't get executed 20:16
pmurias sleep& 20:21

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