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| adorablepuppy | hello | 02:52 | |
| Tene | Hi! | 02:54 | |
| adorablepuppy | I need regex help. :) Though I am currently asking in #regex. | 02:57 | |
| Tene | I can help you with Perl 6 Rules, which are the replacement for regexes. | 02:58 | |
| adorablepuppy | ok | ||
| Tene | If you want regex help, though, #regex or #perl are better places. | 02:59 | |
| adorablepuppy | thanks | 03:00 | |
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| pugs_svnbot | r18252 | Darren_Duncan++ | ext/Muldis-DB/ : the Muldis DB API now has users specify the AST language of interaction | 04:03 | |
| diff: dev.pugscode.org/changeset/18252 | |||
| lambdabot | Title: Changeset 18252 - Pugs - Trac | ||
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| pugs_svnbot | r18253 | Aankhen++ | [kp6-lisp] | 09:47 | |
| r18253 | Aankhen++ | * don't explicitly specify package of MAIN function in generated code. | |||
| r18253 | Aankhen++ | * implemented `our` variables. | |||
| diff: dev.pugscode.org/changeset/18253 | |||
| lambdabot | Title: Changeset 18253 - Pugs - Trac | ||
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| pugs_svnbot | r18254 | Aankhen++ | * [kp6-lisp] implemented truth for hashes. | 09:56 | |
| diff: dev.pugscode.org/changeset/18254 | |||
| lambdabot | Title: Changeset 18254 - Pugs - Trac | ||
| pugs_svnbot | r18255 | Aankhen++ | * [kp6-lisp] more robust (DECLARE (IGNORABLE ...)) handling in WITH-KP6-{PAD,PACKAGE}. | 09:59 | |
| diff: dev.pugscode.org/changeset/18255 | |||
| lambdabot | Title: Changeset 18255 - Pugs - Trac | ||
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| fglock | I was reading about efficient threads, and I thought how about using BerkeleyDB (and C) as a backend | 11:57 | |
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| avar | Aankhen``: boo | 12:20 | |
| fglock: why use bdb for threads? | |||
| Aankhen`` | avar: Eek. | 12:26 | |
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| avar | echo '%hash.elems' | perl kp6-mp6-perl5.pl --lisp | 12:37 | |
| I guess that's object methods for ya:) | |||
| Aankhen`` | Indeed. | ||
| I'm working on signatures right now. | |||
| Then I'll turn to subs. | 12:38 | ||
| avar | :) | ||
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| Aankhen`` | Why did the metamodel-in-Perl 6 die out? | 12:39 | |
| Aankhen`` wanders off for a while. | |||
| allbery_b | andrea vanished | 12:40 | |
| er, audrey. /me thwaps brain | |||
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| Aankhen`` | allbery_b: Ah, I didn't realize audrey was also working on it. Looks like you're not the only one whose brain is malfunctioning. ;-) | 12:48 | |
| allbery_b just isn't fully awake yet | 12:49 | ||
| avar | also? who else? | 12:50 | |
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| fglock | avar: re bdb, because it seems to do it right | 12:56 | |
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| fglock | or maybe not - www.oracle.com/technology/documenta...am/mt.html | 13:02 | |
| lambdabot | Title: Berkeley DB Reference Guide: Multithreaded applications, tinyurl.com/2ekxq3 | ||
| allbery_b | bdb seems to crap itself a lot, in my experience | 13:03 | |
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| fglock goes read about erlang again | 13:20 | ||
| Juerd | lwn.net/Articles/252073/ | 13:23 | |
| lambdabot | Title: To Sir, with Love: How To Get More Women Involved in Open Source (O'ReillyNet) [ ... | ||
| Juerd | Oh my... | ||
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| avar | fglock: What does bdb have to do with /threads/? | 13:38 | |
| Use it to store something related to them | |||
| ? | |||
| allbery_b | several packages use bdb's locking specifically for thread synchronization, ignoring the actual database foo | ||
| fglock | avar: I don't know yet, I'm reading about it | 13:39 | |
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| fglock | i'm not particularly interested on bdb, just fast threads | 13:41 | |
| ferreira | hi folks! I invite you to take a look at the next article on Perl 6 operators: feather.perl6.nl/~ferreira/perl6-op...pare2.html | 13:43 | |
| lambdabot | Title: compare2.pod6 | ||
| fglock | ferreira: @values.sort( { $^b cmp $^a } ) # don't need the arrow | 13:48 | |
| @values.sort: { $^b cmp $^a } # don't need paren | 13:49 | ||
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| ferreira | fglock: ok. This is much prettier ;-) That means placeholders are not only for -> { } things ? | 13:57 | |
| rhr | in fact I think placeholder vars are illegal in pointy blocks by S06:1402 | ||
| ferreira | oops | ||
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| Gothmog_ | But you could write -> $a, $b { $b cmp $a } iirc | 13:59 | |
| That of course isn't as nice as { $^b cmp $^a }. :) | |||
| ferreira | now fixed. | ||
| rhr | TimToady: should S04:293 have the -> removed because of the $^thing ? | ||
| ferreira | Gothmog_: that's exactly what I thought ;-) | 14:00 | |
| Juerd | ferreira: Comments like "0 before 1" are vague. Do they describe the code? the return value? | ||
| ferreira | hum, not really, I just thought of that as anterior to introducing Order::Increase, etc. | 14:02 | |
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| masak | ferreira: nice article | 14:04 | |
| ferreira | maybe some extra words would convey the intented meaning, without having to repeat Order::Increase, ::Same, ::Decrease thrice. What do you think of "answers 0 before 1" instead of just "0 before 1" and so on? | ||
| masak: thanks, you're very kind | |||
| masak | in a real-life app, @values.sort: { $^b cmp $^a } should probably be just @values.sort.reverse or similar, because of higher readability | 14:05 | |
| but as a proof-of-concept, your example code is just fine | |||
| Juerd | ferreira: Operators don't "answer"... They return or evaluate. A full sentence may be in order if you want to avoid the classes | 14:06 | |
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| ferreira | masak: got that. I prefered the redundancy that causes 'cmp' to be used. The last example as well would be better written with KeyExtractor's, but I don't even know how to write them, but I think it would be something like: | 14:10 | |
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| ferreira | @values.sort: ( { $^h<name> }, {$^h<id> } ) but that would be too much (I mean, explaining all these in a light article on <=>, leg and cmp) | 14:11 | |
| lambdabot | Unknown command, try @list | ||
| Juerd | ferreira: Maybe "returns that 0 is before 1" | 14:17 | |
| ferreira: Maybe explain cmp more, like that it does numbers, strings, and objects | 14:18 | ||
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| pmurias | hi | 14:22 | |
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| fglock | pmurias: hi | 15:06 | |
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| avar | fglock: isn't there some abstraction for {_value}->{_array} and {_hash} in the p5 runtime? | 15:08 | |
| fglock | avar: not sure what you mean, that's the low-level representation | 15:09 | |
| avar | just wondering why it wasn't say ::DISPATCH($foo, "array") | 15:11 | |
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| avar | Just wondering how best to implement stuff like ' ( @{ ' ~ $cond.emit_perl5 ~ '->{_value}{_array} } )' in CL | 15:11 | |
| pmurias | avar you want to get to p5landish value | ||
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| fglock | ::DISPATCH($foo, "array") works, but it returns an Array object; you need {_array} (or p5landish) to get to the p5 data | 15:12 | |
| pmurias | i get it its perl->cl | ||
| fglock: what tests are supposed to fail? | 15:13 | ||
| avar | so stuff like ' ( ' ( @{ ' ~ $cond.emit_perl5 ~ '->{_value}{_array} } )'@{ ' ~ $cond.emit_perl5 ~ '->{_value}{_array} } )' can be abstracted but the EmitPerl5 emitter is just peeking at internals since it's old code?:) | 15:14 | |
| fglock | avar: maybe, can you get an iterator object from lisp Array | ||
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| fglock | i think 'for' will end up being implemented as a method on Array/List/Range | 15:14 | |
| pmurias: re tests - none :) | 15:15 | ||
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| Aankhen`` | fglock: No iterators in CL, AFAIK. | 16:12 | |
| avar | no, but you can roll your own in any language | 16:13 | |
| Aankhen`` | Sure, | ||
| s/,/./ | |||
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| pinskian | xml is arghhh | 17:06 | |
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| pmurias | pinskian: Captures are a sort of xml | 17:09 | |
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| pinskian | i want to put digital sig of a file inside xml file, a field will be file name, another will be file signature (for example) | 17:13 | |
| how i do not know of | |||
| pmurias | <file sig="" filename=""/> | 17:15 | |
| what's the problem? | |||
| pinskian | BUT | 17:16 | |
| newline-free text string | |||
| pmurias | pinskian: it it ASCII? | ||
| pinskian | no | ||
| pmurias | uuencode it | 17:17 | |
| or base64 it | |||
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| pinskian | exactly base 64 encoding | 17:18 | |
| thought xml supported newline | |||
| pmurias | "exactly base 64 encoding" means? | 17:19 | |
| pinskian | there is no work aorund than having to base64 encode t | ||
| it | |||
| like within xml it self a newline-free txt string | 17:20 | ||
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| Aankhen`` didn't understand the problem. | 17:27 | ||
| pmurias | how to store binary data in a xml file | 17:28 | |
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| Aankhen`` | Why use XML for binary data? | 17:28 | |
| (ignoring "why use XML at all?" for now.) | |||
| /\(i/(I/ | 17:29 | ||
| s/^/s/, too. :-P | |||
| pmurias | the binary data is a checksum | ||
| Aankhen`` | Ah. | ||
| pmurias | a digital signature | ||
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| pmurias | a script to check in which of the last revision in kp6 a test work would be helpfull | 17:35 | |
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| pmurias | * revisions,worked | 17:37 | |
| pugs_svnbot | r18256 | pmurias++ | [kp6] Match isa Capture | ||
| diff: dev.pugscode.org/changeset/18256 | |||
| lambdabot | Title: Changeset 18256 - Pugs - Trac | ||
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| pmurias hates typoes | 17:38 | ||
| fglock: test 50 fails | 17:40 | ||
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| fglock | pmurias: looking | 17:43 | |
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| ludan | hi | 17:44 | |
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| fglock | home & | 17:52 | |
| /home - not yet | 17:57 | ||
| pmurias: it's broken for some time | |||
| now home & | |||
| pmurias | fglock: autothreading on method calls broke it | 18:03 | |
| the $.type should be specified in the constructor rather the by calling an attribiute | 18:04 | ||
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| TimToady | fglock: fwiw the semantics of for are currently defined to be equivalent to map. | 18:11 | |
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| ludan | goodnight | 23:01 | |
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