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Set by diakopter on 11 July 2007.
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DarkWolf84 I had problems with token/rule/regex 01:06
wolverian, I think that only regex has backtracking 01:08
wolverian I think only tokens don't :)
(and anything with :ratchet) 01:09
oh, wait. rule implies :ratchet too.
DarkWolf84 rules have space converting 01:10
wolverian right
DarkWolf84 thats the difference between token and rule 01:11
I don't got all the stuff in kp6
some private keys are not defined at the begining and the class is not inherited 01:13
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pmurias DarkWolf84: can you explain what you don't get in kp6? 09:53
moritz_ the member variables of some kp6 classes are defined in MOP.pm 09:55
DarkWolf84: is that what confuses you?
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pugs_svn r18784 | pmurias++ | mentioned what causes the bug 09:59
pmurias moritz_: hi 10:00
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moritz_ hi pmurias 10:02
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moritz_ perl -wle 'my $re=join "|", 0 .. 255; print "yes" if "256" =~ m/^$re$/o' 10:13
why does this print yes?
moritz_ is really confused 10:14
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funktio moritz_: perl -wle 'my $re=join "|", 0 .. 255; print "yes" if "256" =~ m/^($re)$/o' 10:19
jrockway yup, 25 matches 256 :) 10:20
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jrockway if you used qr// you wouldn't have had that problem, fwiw :) 10:20
bloonix morning
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moritz_ funktio: ok, thanks 10:21
pmurias buubot: hel 10:30
buubot: help
buubot pmurias: Available Plugins: oeis jeval spell cpan shorten rt topic squeeze rbeval acronym change managementspeak reverse join really_deparse translate bibleit core imdb insult tv help echo eval convert jseval mangle restart quit deparse part pyeval reload_plugins goobooblink heap_test rss
pmurias buubot: eval 'my $re=join "|", 0 .. 255; print "yes" if "256" =~ m/^($re)$/o 10:31
buubot pmurias: ''ERROR: 1494: Can't find string terminator "'" anywhere before EOF at (eval 238) line 1.
pmurias buubot: eval my $re=join "|", 0 .. 255; print "yes" if "256" =~ m/^($re)$/o
buubot pmurias: ''ERROR: 1502: Can't find string terminator '"' anywhere before EOF at (eval 238) line 1.
moritz_ pmurias: I solved it with m/^(?:$re)$/
pmurias checking if there is a perl5 eval bot here ;) 10:32
moritz_ pmurias: buubot should work
pmurias buubot: eval print "Hello World"
buubot pmurias: Hello World1
moritz_ eval my $re=join "|", 0 .. 255; print "yes" if "255" =~ m/^(?:$re)$/;
buubot moritz_: ''ERROR: 1583: Can't find string terminator '"' anywhere before EOF at (eval 238) line 1.
pmurias buubot: eval my $re=join "|", 0 .. 255; 10:33
buubot pmurias: ''ERROR: 1585: Can't find string terminator '"' anywhere before EOF at (eval 238) line 1.
pmurias buubot: eval 'my $re=join "|", 0 .. 255;'
buubot pmurias: ''ERROR: 1591: Can't find string terminator "'" anywhere before EOF at (eval 238) line 1.
moritz_ it seems the " are the problem
eval my $re=join '|', 0 .. 255; print 'yes' if '255' =~ m/^(?:$re)$/;
buubot moritz_: ''ERROR: 1611: Can't find string terminator "'" anywhere before EOF at (eval 238) line 1.
pmurias buubot: eval print 'yes' if '255' =~ m/^(?:$re)$/
buubot pmurias: ''ERROR: 1626: Search pattern not terminated at (eval 238) line 1.
moritz_ buubot-- 10:34
buubot moritz_: is the module loaded?
bloonix eval my $re=join '|', 0 .. 255; print 'yes' if 255 =~ m/^(?:$re)$/;
buubot bloonix: ''ERROR: 1643: Can't find string terminator "'" anywhere before EOF at (eval 238) line 1.
pmurias eval my $re=join q{|}, 0 .. 255; print q{yes} if q{255} =~ m{^(?:$re)$};
buubot pmurias: ''ERROR: 1653: Can't find string terminator "}" anywhere before EOF at (eval 238) line 1.
bloonix eval my $re=join "|", 0 .. 255; print "yes" if 255 =~ m/^(?:$re)$/; 10:35
buubot bloonix: ''ERROR: 1735: Can't find string terminator '"' anywhere before EOF at (eval 238) line 1.
moritz_ breakfeast/brunch &
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bloonix eval: $re=join "|", 0 .. 255; print "yes" if 255 =~ m/^(?:$re)$/; 10:54
buubot bloonix: yes1
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ludan hi 11:54
moritz_ hi ludan ;) 11:55
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pmurias exit 17:04
quit 17:05
reboot
xinming pmurias: :-)
pmurias close
stop
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barney :q 17:40
^c
wolverian heh
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pmurias parents tried to switch to openoffice (i'm using ratpoison) 18:32
ggoebel Where is the best place for people interested in mp6/kp6/onion to start? dev.pugscode.org/wiki? 18:35
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moritz_ www.pugscode.org/kp6.html iirc 18:42
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pmurias ggoebel: using kp6 or hacking on it? 18:53
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ggoebel pmurias: both 18:59
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moritz_ well, here ;) 19:00
ggoebel I see stub links for mp6 and kp6 at dev.pugscode.org/wiki/ should these point to www.pugscode.org/kp6.html?
moritz_ that would be a good idea, yes 19:01
ggoebel It seems the documentation for the various implementations for perl6, the spec, etc. are spread on multiple sites. Many of which are out of date. 19:02
moritz_ yes... hacking real code is much more fun than writing html pages about it :) 19:03
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moritz_ that's why you should always ask on IRC if something doesn't match ;) 19:03
ggoebel well I'm not sure I'm up to hacking it. Seems like it'd take more tuits than I have just to grok what I'd need to know in order to add anything of value. 19:04
moritz_ fact is that the language spec is the most important document for the "end user", everything else is implementation dependent
pmurias you can look at t/kp6 to see what's implemented 19:05
ggoebel Okay I'll update the wiki... how do I get a trac login to dev.pugscode.org?
moritz_ you need a commit bit 19:06
if you don't have one, /msg me your email address and your desired nick
ggoebel Hacking may be more fun, but writing about it can make it easier for others to join in the fun 19:07
moritz_ or just write it here, the logging bot has anti spam features
btw you have to be registered with freenode to be able to /msg :(
ggoebel MSG moritz_ did this work? 19:08
moritz_ diakopter, Juerd, TimToady, any other feather admins: trac doesn't respond, could you please restart it?
ggoebel: no, that was public 19:09
ggoebel is there any list of the bots which are running and what they're good for? 19:13
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pmurias SLAVES? 19:14
moritz_ pmurias: SLAVES are only the bot maintainers 19:15
the bot 'test' logs for irc.pugscode.org
exp_evalbot executes perl 6 via pugs, kp6, nqp, etc ;) 19:16
buubot evals p5 code and has many other plugins
pugs_svn echos the commit messages of the pugs repository
lambdabot can @google, record @messages etc 19:17
any important bot that I forogt?
ggoebel: now you have your list at irclog.perlgeek.de/perl6/2007-11-04#i_137224 ;-) 19:18
lambdabot Title: IRC log for #perl6, 2007-11-04
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ggoebel where's the code and/or docs on the bots 19:34
moritz_ @google lambdabot
lambdabot www.cse.unsw.edu.au/~dons/lambdabot.html
Title: lambdabot
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moritz_ logging bot is in misc/irclog/ in the pugs repo 19:34
exp_evalbot is in misc/evalbot/ 19:35
pugs_svn is a quick'n'dirty hack, I haven't bothered to publish the sources anywhere
the most important commands: 19:36
kp6: say "welcome, ggoebel"
exp_evalbot r18784: OUTPUT[welcome, ggoebelā¤]
moritz_ @tell ggoebel this is a message recorded by lambdabot 19:37
lambdabot Consider it noted.
ggoebel dev.pugscode.org/wiki/Overview has several links refering to dev.pugscode.org/browser/src. But this doesn't appear at first glance to be the same source as can be found at svn.pugscode.org/pugs ...Am I missing something?
lambdabot ggoebel: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
Title: /src - Pugs - Trac
moritz_ ggoebel: that's a "nicer" view on svn.pugscode.org/pugs/src/ 19:38
ggoebel really? I have yet to find t/kp6 anywhere under dev.pugscode.org/browser/src 19:40
lambdabot Title: /src - Pugs - Trac
moritz_ dev.pugscode.org/browser/v6/v6-KindaPerl6/ is the kp6 place 19:42
lambdabot Title: /v6/v6-KindaPerl6/ - Pugs - Trac
ggoebel can I assume buubot is the one in misc/buildbot?
ah, thanks
moritz_ ggoebel: no, buubot isn't maintained anywhere near here 19:44
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ggoebel the readme (dev.pugscode.org/browser/v6/README) indicates that v6-MiniPerl6, v6-KindaPerl6, and yap6 are active subprojects. Looks like v6-Onion is missing from the list... and that v6-MiniPerl6-JVM might be stalled. 19:51
lambdabot Title: /v6/README - Pugs - Trac
moritz_ you're right about v6-mp6-JVM 19:52
and onion... that's very new, so it's probably not yet added 19:53
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ggoebel In dev.pugscode.org/browser/v6/docs/kp6.jpg created back on 2007-04-05, "Onion" shown as Perl6 on Parrot. Was this foresight or is this a different Onion? 20:01
lambdabot Title: /v6/docs/kp6.jpg - Pugs - Trac
moritz_ ggoebel: that's a differnt Onion - pmichaud++ wanted to rename Perl6 on Parrot to "Onion", but didn't do it so far 20:02
but since perl's symbol is an onion, that's not so hard to predict ;)
PerlJam Though it looks more like garlic than onion in some renderings. 20:03
moritz_ maybe we should rename it to 'garlic', then ;)
PerlJam I wouldn't be opposed :) 20:04
moritz_ /etc/apache2/sites-available/commitbit.pugscode.org only consits of comments :/ 20:05
allbery_b shallot? 20:07
ggoebel Allium is the onion genus... which includes shallots, garlic, leeks, chives, etc. Sounds like a new prescription drug... 20:09
pmurias i like garlic as the name 20:11
ggoebel I like garlic too. But not everyone likes that I like garlic...
pmurias i don't like garlic as food though 20:12
ggoebel How about: Pip?
Perl6-in-Perl6
moritz_ that sounds a bit like 'pimp' :/
PerlJam And parrot is the pizza with anchoives (php), garlic (perl), pepperoni (python), etc.
ggoebel and when you talk about emitters, you could talk about laying pipe... 20:13
PerlJam though, on a pizza, perl is more like cheese
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ggoebel what? it isn't pizza without it? 20:14
I need to go back to reading code and documentation.
wanders away...
PerlJam perl binds everything together just like cheese does for pizza
avar pip also sounds like that guy in south park cartman loves to beat up:) 20:17
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obra Hey, Perl 6 people 21:59
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mncharity hi obra. 22:07
though my "Perl 6 people"-ness may be somewhat decayed. ;)
obra hey mncharity. How's tricks?
mncharity mostly OLPC flavored. though just now puzzling over a bottleneck analysis of the p6 project. 22:09
xmas < impl < design < existence of impl to provide foil for design < impl which passes test suite (is something weaker sufficient?) < {frontend, ast, backend} which pass suite. Q: Does an ast spec which can cover the suite (including oo) exist yet? Does a frontend exist which can generate it? Does a backend exist which can run it? 22:15
obra oh. what are you doing for OLPC?
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PerlJam mncharity: See pdd26_ast.pod in ~parrot/docs/pdds 22:16
ggoebel funny... I just compared US spending on the war in Iraq with the cost of an XO at $200 from OLPC. The US could have bought more than one laptop for every child on earth... 22:17
pmurias mncharity: lots of stuff can be converted in method calls, the kp6 ast could probably covert lots (if not all) of the test suit 22:19
s/in/into
sleep& 22:22
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mncharity obra: ended up being mostly docs, getting emulation working, and since getting beta hardware, testing. original intent was to do app dev. may or may not get back to that, before having to move on. 22:24
pmurias: oh, drat.
ggoebel: 'every dollar spent on ... is bread/medicine/education not ...' :/ 22:25
PerlJam: tnx, looking...
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obra *nodnod* 22:31
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mncharity PerlJam: re svn.perl.org/viewcvs/parrot/trunk/d...d?view=log , sigh. I am... much more culturally in sympathy with the pugs/kp6 approach to asts. 22:40
lambdabot Title: [parrot] Log of /trunk/docs/pdds/pdd26_ast.pod, tinyurl.com/yo6njw
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mncharity ggoebel: another scary number is the scale. 130 millionish kids born each year, almost all of which at least start primary school. So, making an poor assumption of homogeneous distribution, a 1 day project slippage means missing 300 thousand kids. a week, 2 M. You need to triple world laptop production just to match the rate of new kids entering school, not even touching the ~1000 M already of school age. 22:47
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mncharity anyone know if the multimethod spec has been nailed down? 22:50
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