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Set by diakopter on 11 July 2007.
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pugs_svn r19245 | Darren_Duncan++ | ext/Muldis-DB/ : added new Example Engine file Value.pm, replaces the previous PhysType.pm 09:25
Schwern How does one declare a class method? 09:42
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Juerd_ Schwern: method foo { ... } 10:05
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Juerd_ Oh, method ^foo { ... } 10:07
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Schwern Seriously? 10:09
That seems like huffman encoding gone wild 10:10
Tene Schwern: howso? 10:15
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Schwern How often does one declare a class method that they can't write "class"? 10:18
And what does ^ have to do with a class?
Tene ^ is used in a few other places to refer to class methods.
Schwern That doesn't answer either question. 10:19
Tene $obj.^foo is the same as $obj.WHAT.foo, as I recall
Schwern HOW
Tene Ahh, right.
Oh, you're right, that isn't what you asked. 10:20
Schwern Didn't mean for that to come our rude, but I just watched the Matrix Reloaded again. :)
Nevermind
Tene No, no rudeness. 10:21
Schwern What a second
$obj.^foo... but ^foo is a class method...
And you're calling it like an object method
Tene Yes, used when you want to find out stuff about the class. 10:22
"Do something with the class that this object is an instance of."
Schwern I see. 10:23
At least its internally consistent.
I'm sure there's some clever mnemonic like "^ is an up arrow indicating you should move up the aristotlean conceptual hierarchy from object to class" :) 10:24
Tene Heh, sounds as good as any other mneumonic. 10:25
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pmurias Schwern: $foo.^method is the shortcut for $foo.HOW.method 10:55
they are more like metaclass instance methods than class methods 10:56
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wolverian comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang....ters/52692 interesting issue with regexes and copy semantics 11:51
lambdabot Title: gmane.comp.lang.perl.perl5.porters, tinyurl.com/26m4de
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fglock [particle]: ping 11:58
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lichtkind sorry for that question but how to text an print output of a script? 12:27
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pugs_svn r19246 | ruoso++ | [yap6] YAP6_NEW actually doesnt make sense... 13:24
ruoso fglock, the Scalar, List and Hash need ways to coerce between themselves, doesn't it? 13:27
I mean, Scalar should have a List and Hash methods and vice-versa for the there 13:28
s/the there/the three/
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fglock__ ruoso: re coercion, there are several methods and functions, such as: @(), %(), +(), ~(), ?() 13:32
and: postcircumfix:<{ }>, postcircumfix:<[ ]>, .Str, .true, ... 13:35
pmurias fglock__: have you seen my question about the containers? 13:38
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fglock__ pmurias: I think v6.pm does have enough support containers, but I need to check it again to be sure 13:39
support for
pmurias lunch& 13:42
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fglock__ I think it's reasonable to backport kp6 to v6.pm, 13:42
like I'm trying to do with kp6->perl6
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pugs_svn r19247 | ruoso++ | [yap6] all dispatchers have all the coercion methods... 14:04
fglock__ pmurias: re container methods, some things - binding, a "readonly" trait, a "type" 14:15
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fglock__ [particle]: ping 15:00
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fglock__ [particle]: ../../parrot nqp.pbc t/10-sub.t # Segmentation fault 15:21
[particle] fglock: that happens occasionally. lemme diagnose that today, after i rebuild parrot 15:22
fglock__ thanks 15:27
[particle]: I'm playing with parrot scratchpads, I'm trying out PIR+nqp
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pmurias b 15:27
[particle] excellent 15:28
fglock__ no progress yet - the hardcoded ":outer" is hard to play with
pmurias is there an official example of a custom container? 15:30
fglock__ I wonder if I could generate parrot bytecode "by hand", or use low-level pasm
pmurias: I don't think so
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fglock__ pmurias: there is "Lvalue subroutines" in S06 15:32
pmurias fglock__: i think i know how Scalar's should work 15:33
i'm not sure about VAR(%hash) and VAR(@array) 15:34
fglock__ VAR() exists for Scalar only
(S12)
pmurias thanks that cleared a lot 15:35
fglock__ spec-searchplugin ++
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fglock__ compiling a PIR program to PASM, it seems to just throw away the :outer information 15:42
looking for a decompiler 15:43
[particle] there isn't one
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fglock__ hmm - writing a decompiler, then :P 15:43
[particle] is there a difference between compilers/ and languages/ ? 15:45
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[particle] yes, compilers/ are guaranteed to ship with parrot 15:46
languages/ is a place where hll devs can work in the parrot tree, but many of these will be ripped out later 15:47
fglock__ thanks
reading compilers/imcc
"imcc.l" has this message: This file is generated automatically by the Parrot build process from the file compilers/imcc/imcc.l 15:49
:)
[particle] yes, it does, inside a %top{ } block 15:50
so the output file that flex generates will have that at the top of it
fglock__ got it 15:51
[particle] maybe we can put a comment in there before %top{} to mention that the following block isn't to be taken literally
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pmurias [particle]: aren't compilers/ the compiler tools? 15:54
[particle] compilers/ contains imcc, which isn't a compiler tool, it's the pir/pasm compiler
we haven't been including that in our definition of pct 15:55
it's possible that we could create a pir->pbc emitter, then we could ship a headless parrot (no compilers) and run bytecode on it 15:56
right now, only imcc can do that (emit pbc)
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fglock__ looking at newclosure() - pdd20 seems to imply that LexEnv is settable 16:04
but we may need a dummy :outer anyway
[particle] there may be tests to look at
fglock__ looking 16:05
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fglock__ t/op/lexicals.t 16:09
I could add probably add some set_* methods for kp6 16:10
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fglock__ hmm - get_lexenv() is implemented in PIR 16:18
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fglock__ this doesn't help - I think we need a Sub.set_outer() 16:21
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[particle] correct. we do need that, and don't have it yet 16:28
fglock__ [particle]: if I subclassed 'Sub', I don't think there is a way to actually instantiate mySubs, right?
so I need to add a method to Sub itself 16:29
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[particle] i haven't tried it, but it's possible if you map your subclassed Sub to Sub using the .HLL directive, it'll Just Work 16:29
fglock__ the same way perl6 does it, right? 16:30
I'll try it out 16:31
[particle] i'm not sure it'll work, but it's worth trying
fglock__ is there a way to mix C and PIR in the same file? 16:35
[particle] no 16:38
what do you want to do? if you need to write a pmc, i can help 16:39
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pugs_svn r19248 | fglock++ | [kp6-nqp] added Sub.pmc stub 16:44
fglock__ sure - I need to get the parameter and store it to sub->outer_sub 16:45
and then make a test program
v6/v6-KindaPerl6/misc/nqp/outer.pmc
the usage is likely to be: $inner.set_outer($outer) 16:47
[particle] i expect you'll take a PMC *outer param, and set sub->outer_sub 16:48
fglock__ yes, I just found an example 16:50
what is the command line to compile a .pmc? 16:53
[particle] you'll have to change the const nature of sub, though
look it perl6's makefile 16:54
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fglock__ $ perl tools/build/pmc2c.pl --dump ~/pugs-svn-2/trunk/v6/v6-KindaPerl6/misc/nqp/outer.pmc # no pmclass found 17:00
[particle] perhaps you should name it perl6sub.pmc instead of outer.pmc or modify pmclass to say 'Outer' instead of 'Perl6Sub' 17:02
fglock__ fixed 17:04
pugs_svn r19249 | fglock++ | [kp6-nqp] added preprocessing instructions 17:07
r19250 | fglock++ | [kp6-nqp] fixed module name, compilation instructions don't work yet 17:13
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pugs_svn r19251 | fglock++ | [kp6-nqp] perl6sub.pmc compiles ok 17:22
fglock__ hmm - now what 17:23
what is the PIR/nqp command to load a pmc 17:30
[particle] if the library is compiled in, new 'Other' should do it 17:33
(in pir)
$P0 = new 'Other' # sorry
fglock__ is there a command for "dynamic loading"? 17:34
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fglock__ compiled in == copied to parrot lib/ ? 17:35
[particle] oh, no. there are makefile commands for that
eg. PERL6_GROUP
fglock__ you mean Parrot makefile? I'm currently in v6/v6-KindaPerl6/misc/nqp/ 17:36
[particle] look in perl6's makefile
fglock__ ok
I need to create a config/makefiles/root.in, right? 17:38
[particle] do you have a languages dir under parrot?
fglock__ yes
you mean, languages/kp6? no 17:39
[particle] okay, yes, config/... is better then
yes
fglock__ I wonder if it would be easier to patch perl6 instead
or nqp 17:40
[particle] if all you need is that one method, i'd try that first
not nqp, no runtime there
fglock__ I'll try to organize kp6-parrot as a perl6 patch 17:41
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pmurias fglock__: you mean the runtime? 17:49
pugs_svn r19252 | fglock++ | [kp6-parrot] created v6/v6-KindaPerl6/parrot
r19252 | fglock++ | - this directory replicates the Parrot directory structure;
r19252 | fglock++ | it will contain patches to "parrot" and "perl6"
fglock__ pmurias: yes, "perl6" and "kp6" will share the runtime
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pmurias fglock__: that's good 17:50
fglock__ it seems the BEGIN and .perl code was lost - I'll patch that in later 17:53
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fglock__ what's the opposite of "fork"? 17:55
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fglock__ thanks 17:56
pugs_svn r19253 | fglock++ | [kp6-parrot] added perl6sub.pmc from misc/nqp; 18:01
r19253 | fglock++ | - added config file from "perl6" (unmodified)
fglock__ now I need a merge script 18:02
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pugs_svn r19254 | fglock++ | fixed last commit 18:07
r19255 | fglock++ | [kp6] fixed last(2) commit 18:09
fglock__ looking for a "merge" in cpan 18:14
clkao: ping 18:16
clkao: I wonder if svk could handle merging files in different repositories 18:17
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pmurias fglock__: editors such as vim and emacs have a merge function 18:27
see vimdiff
fglock__ pmurias: I'm writing an automated merge 18:28
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pmurias fglock__: there is a merge command on my system 18:29
fglock__ sure, but I need one that knows which files to merge, etc 18:30
I forget command line switches quickly
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lichtkind_ TimToady: can i make a suggestion due the titles of the synopses? 18:39
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pugs_svn r19256 | fglock++ | [kp6-parrot] added merge.pl script 18:43
r19256 | fglock++ | - shows how to diff and patch "kp6-parrot" x "perl6"
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pugs_svn r19257 | fglock++ | [kp6-parrot] added t/kp6/01-outer.t (fails) 18:59
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pugs_svn r19258 | fglock++ | [kp6-parrot] fixed test; does nothing useful yet 19:02
fglock__ [particle]: I think I've got everything in place - now testing...
TimToady lichtkind: what's that? 19:03
lichtkind TimToady: howdy, im currently resurecting the perl6::bible from the grave, its now called perl6::Doc but one of the problems i ran into that the titles of the S, E and A are not CPAN friendly 19:04
fglock__ "Method 'set_outer' not found for invocant of class 'Closure'" 19:05
lichtkind TimToady: a perfekt title is : =head1 NAME
Synopsis_01 - Overview
TimToady: i wanted the rename by myself but there were no longer in Pugs SVN 19:06
fglock__ lichtkind: how about fetching the most up-to-date text at Makefile.PL time? 19:07
(maybe it already does this)
lichtkind fglock__: what you mean?
fglock__ instead of bundling the documentation with the module 19:08
lichtkind fglock__: yes i had this idea too
fglock__ cool
lichtkind i already have an script that does that :9
iit has to be cleaned and styled up a bit but it works and isnt that dirty 19:09
pugs_svn r19259 | fglock++ | [kp6-parrot] added Closure class 19:12
r19259 | fglock++ | - trying to fix this error message in "perl6":
r19259 | fglock++ | "Method 'set_outer' not found for invocant of class 'Closure'"
fglock__ I'm still getting the "Method not found" error 19:14
[particle]: do I need to modify the "perl6_group" files somwhow? 19:16
some
home & # will backlog
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Auzon Or not ;) 19:38
[particle] TimToady: no call today, correct? 19:41
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lichtkind why synopses no longer in pugs\docs\Perl6\Spec ? 19:51
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Tene [particle]: that was the decision last I heard. 19:59
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Tene Oh, nevermind, I'm thinking of something else. 20:01
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pmurias lichtkind: to restrict the number of people able to edit them 21:06
lichtkind pmurias: as i could think myself i just want to get shure there was no accident :)
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lichtkind pmurias: thanks 21:16
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pmurias lichtkind: i only guessed the reason, but i'm sure it isn't an accident 21:21
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pugs_svn r19260 | fglock++ | [kp6-parrot] fixed makefile 23:24
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pugs_svn r19261 | ruoso++ | [yap6] declared the YAP6__CORE__num type, which is the return of the YAP6_NUMBR macro. I think all the coercions are declared now. 23:40
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pugs_svn r19262 | ruoso++ | [yap6] some cleaning and reordering of the yap6.h file 23:50
r19263 | ruoso++ | [yap6] some cleaning and reordering of the yap6.h file 23:51
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