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| pugs_svn | r19538 | cosimo++ | Refactored `pick' tests under /t/spec/S29-list/ | 00:14 | |
| r19538 | cosimo++ | "Fudgified" :todo tests markers. | |||
| cosimo | I'm marking todo tests now with "#?pugs"... | 00:15 | |
| pugs_svn | r19539 | cosimo++ | No more tests here. Destroying folder. | 00:17 | |
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| cosimo | Guys, I *have* to have sleep now. It's 1:20 am here. | 00:22 | |
| Good night to you all. God bless Perl6. | |||
| [particle] | ~~ | 00:23 | |
| pugs_svn | r19540 | cosimo++ | Refactored container.cat,roundrobin tests into /t/spec/S29-container. | 00:31 | |
| r19540 | cosimo++ | Fudgifying of :todo test markers. ":depends" are now explained in | |||
| r19540 | cosimo++ | the test description. | |||
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| Coke | depends? | 00:51 | |
| sure, feed the bot, get nothing. ^_^ | |||
| [particle] | what bot? | ||
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| Coke | well, perhaps that's my problem. | 00:58 | |
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| pugs_svn | r19541 | lwall++ | [Test] allow todo 'feature', :by<6.28> | 01:52 | |
| r19541 | lwall++ | [fudge] fix bracket bug on block todo | |||
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| diakopter | rakudo_svn: um, work, please | 03:08 | |
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| pugs_svn | r19542 | ruoso++ | [smop] adding a repository for identifier constants in include/smop_identifiers.h | 11:27 | |
| moritz_ | @seen fglock | 11:28 | |
| lambdabot | I haven't seen fglock. | ||
| pugs_svn | r19543 | ruoso++ | [smop] adding smop_identifiers reference on smop.h | 11:30 | |
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| pugs_svn | r19544 | ruoso++ | [smop] created a new test for the stack... this test already counts on the sm0p language already being used inside the C source to help define a set of stack nodes. | 12:28 | |
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| pugs_svn | r19545 | ruoso++ | [smop] changing the sm0p representation inside the C code to look just like Perl 6... | 12:36 | |
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| fglock | @messages | 13:02 | |
| lambdabot | mncharity said 17h 28m 12s ago: fyi: perl Makefile.PL kp6_mp6 "Please inform the author." error message: sial.org/pbot/29880 | ||
| mncharity said 17h 26m 41s ago: I didn't run make. Oops. Never mind. Thanks. pmurias++ | |||
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| pugs_svn | r19546 | ruoso++ | [smop] moving all builtin identifiers to the constant identifier repository in smop_identifiers.h. Changing every other identifier definition to a constant that points to the constant in identifiers.h. identifiers.h is included just after base.h | 13:11 | |
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| pugs_svn | r19547 | ruoso++ | [smop] updating the destroy sm0p code to reflect the use of the constant identifiers | 13:13 | |
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| fglock | research.microsoft.com/users/bobmoore/ # parsing algorithms, perl5 implementations | 14:51 | |
| lambdabot | Title: Robert C. Moore - Natural Language Processing Group | ||
| fglock | javascript.crockford.com/tdop/ # Top Down Operator Precedence, simplified Javascript impl (could be translated to mp6) | 14:53 | |
| lambdabot | Title: Top Down Operator Precedence | ||
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| pugs_svn | r19548 | fglock++ | [kp6-ruby] say "hello, World" | 15:16 | |
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| alester | The unhappiness has started: perlbuzz.com/2008/01/perl-6-on-parr...akudo.html | 15:19 | |
| lambdabot | Title: Perl 6 on Parrot is now known as Rakudo - Perl Buzz, tinyurl.com/ywcc5l | ||
| avar | so we can use "onion" eh? | 15:21 | |
| [particle] | yep, you can use onion | ||
| andy: nice response. | |||
| avar | We always could actually, we eat parrot developers | ||
| ruoso | you know... there's a funny comment in that post | 15:22 | |
| alester | particle: I'm workin' on a doc explaining the differences. | ||
| ruoso | saying that the perl6 name should be reserved from when perl5 is able to implement Perl 6 | ||
| [particle] | did you ever know that you're my hero? | ||
| ruoso | :P | ||
| alester | I am the wind that breaks beneath your wings. | 15:23 | |
| [particle] | ...then my wife *hates* you. | ||
| alester | What'd I ever do to her? | 15:24 | |
| [particle] | you stink, man. | ||
| ruoso anxious to have a usefull version of smop to see it it gets to the radar of Perl 6 implementations... | 15:25 | ||
| [particle] | ruoso: you can put it on the radar... advertise! | ||
| ruoso | heh | 15:28 | |
| ruoso hates advertising vaporware... I need to get at least something running before giving it a advertisement shot... | |||
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| meppuru | hm | 15:33 | |
| rakudo sounds japanese | |||
| pugs_svn | r19549 | ruoso++ | [smop] adding two other native types: idconst and bytes. idconst will be used to initialize the constant identifiers to be used in sm0p and s1p. Added a test for the const identifier. | 15:34 | |
| [particle] | because it is japanese | ||
| rakudo.org/ | |||
| lambdabot | Title: Rakudo.org: | ||
| alester | ping rakudo.org | 15:35 | |
| I must be the only one with rakudo.org resolving to petdance.com's IP | |||
| Coke | that's not entirely surprising, since it's Andy's domain. | 15:37 | |
| meppuru | ę„½å ććć© | ||
| alester | You mean "your", right? | ||
| meppuru | the paradise | ||
| alester | o/` and we'll be rockin' the Paradise.... o/` | 15:38 | |
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| Coke peers at alester's psuedo. | 15:39 | ||
| "how was I supposed to know you'd be robbing your OWN HOUSE!?" | |||
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| pugs_svn | r19550 | ruoso++ | [smop] In theory, we have constant identifiers already... with the help of a little script that takes the smop_identifiers.h file and generate the code to init and destroy them... | 16:17 | |
| ruoso with his hands in his boot straps and ready to pull | |||
| pugs_svn | r19551 | ruoso++ | [smop] adding the main smop.c file that have the smop_init and smop_destr functions... | 16:19 | |
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| ruoso | fglock, I think I'll need help on the sm0p part... to create an emitter for that... | 16:20 | |
| and I still need some idea on the best way of putting a preprocessor before cpp | 16:21 | ||
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| fglock | ok but coffee | 16:23 | |
| ruoso | coffe.HOW | 16:24 | |
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| ruoso | It's weird to realise that after reinventing the wheel you make it looking like someone else's | 17:57 | |
| moritz_ | lol | ||
| ruoso | fglock just noticed the resemblances between smop and forth, which made me realise that smop use the same technique as the older forth compilers | 17:58 | |
| indirect-threading | |||
| en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Threaded_code..._threading | |||
| and even the implementation looks alike | 17:59 | ||
| www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/forth/threading/ | |||
| lambdabot | Title: Index of /forth/threading | ||
| ruoso | a benchmark... in the end there's a link to the code, which looks like how smop implements it... | ||
| the good news is that I was worried about smop performance, but according to wikipedia, indirect threading is "Faster than byte code." | 18:00 | ||
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| apple-gunkies | Hi folks. I've read through S05 and A05, and am looking at the lolcode grammar, and still don't really understand: What, precisely, is supposed to be the difference between a rule and a token? Can someone explain, please? | 19:34 | |
| moritz_ | rule = token + :sigspace-modifier | 19:35 | |
| so regex = without modifiers | |||
| token = implied :ratchet (backtracking control) | |||
| rule = :ratchet :sigspace | |||
| I think that's a FAQ by now - we should put it up somewhere ;) | 19:36 | ||
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| apple-gunkies | ok, simple then. Guess I was looking too hard for some profound difference. Thanks :) | 19:36 | |
| and yes, the synopsis doesn't really spell it out | 19:37 | ||
| pugs_svn | r19552 | ruoso++ | [smop] a small exercise on how to transform sm0p code into C code... sm0p2C.txt... | ||
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| [particle] | apple-gunkies: Just as C<rx> has variants, so does the C<regex> declarator. | 19:41 | |
| In particular, there are two special variants for use in grammars: | |||
| C<token> and C<rule>. | |||
| from S05 | |||
| granted, it's halfway down, buried in =head1 Regexes are now first-class language, not strings | 19:42 | ||
| pugs_svn | r19553 | ruoso++ | [smop] sm0p2C.txt: uses gcc static anonymous array in the exercise code. | ||
| TimToady | most of the synopses desperately need reorganizing, but I'm afraid to break smartlinks | 19:47 | |
| moritz_ | TimToady: it will not get better if you wait longer | 19:48 | |
| TimToady | I need something that chases smartlinks the other direction and tells me when I've broken one. :) | ||
| moritz_ | let's rephrase it: if you reorganise the spec, I'll invest some time to unbreak the smart links | ||
| TimToady | that's the other approach, yeah | 19:49 | |
| ruoso wonders how to create more room for optimizations in the smop stack... having to run a code like the one in sm0p2C.txt everytime entering a new stack frame... | |||
| TimToady | but it's a convenient excuse when I don't want to admit having the time or energy :) | ||
| ruoso: are there any Forth implementations that do continuations? | 19:50 | ||
| s/any/any fast/ | 19:51 | ||
| ruoso | TimToady, I don't know Forth that much... | ||
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| TimToady | it's just like Japanese, only with a different vocabulary | 19:52 | |
| well, different writing system too... | |||
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| ruoso | hmmm.. as I don't know japanese, comparing them do make sense... | 19:53 | |
| :P | |||
| wolverian | are there millions of implementations of japanes, or only one (or a few variants)? | ||
| s/nes/nese/ | |||
| TimToady | I dunno, but most of them are pretty fast implementions, faster than my brain can process | 19:54 | |
| ruoso | But I'm trully concerned about the possible performance impact of the dynamic and polymorphic eval of smop | 19:55 | |
| TimToady, take a look at the sm0p2C.txt file | |||
| that's the code that will be run everytime... | |||
| because the stack nodes are dynamic | |||
| [particle] | ...every time an opcode farts? | 19:56 | |
| ruoso | everytime a new recursion in the stack is needed | ||
| unless some optimization is made | |||
| I just need to make sure I leave room for it | |||
| TimToady | where's Lisp when you need it? | ||
| [particle] | (here(right)) | 19:57 | |
| ruoso | at least I feel that sm0p is usefull... having to write that C code seems awful | ||
| it actually *was* awful to write the exercise | |||
| TimToady | You can solve any problem in computer science with another level of indirection, except for the problem of too many levels of indirection. :) | 19:59 | |
| ruoso | heahahaehe | ||
| indeed.. | |||
| but I feel like there is some way to optimize it... | 20:00 | ||
| I just can't see it clearly right now | |||
| and I feel unconfortable to keep going without knowing that there's actually room to optimize it... | |||
| TimToady | well, you probably need more contextual information on where continuations are guaranteed to be single-use | 20:01 | |
| ruoso | I was thiking about some long-living constant copy of that structure that is then clonned in a more efficient way | ||
| TimToady | but I'm not really an expert on CPS | 20:03 | |
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| ruoso | TimToady, CPS is not the big deal here.. | 20:03 | |
| but the whole stack thing | |||
| pmurias | ruoso: is it worth to have everything stackless? | ||
| ruoso | pmurias, other way the C stack would bite me | ||
| at some point | |||
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| ruoso | when trying to implement continuation for instance... | 20:04 | |
| because I would have to mix the C stack with the Perl stack | |||
| and that seems very hard to keep up | |||
| pmurias | i wander about keeping the c level stackfull and the layer in bytecode in stackles | 20:06 | |
| ruoso | it's hard to bootstrap the oo system that way | ||
| apple-gunkies | particle: I had stepped away, thanks for following up. I had thought that regex and rule were synonymous. It all makes more sense now;) | 20:08 | |
| integral | (chicken scheme does some tricks to use the C stack, yet do GC and continuations) | ||
| TimToady | googling for "efficient cps continuation" gives some interesting hits | ||
| cosimo | Hi all! | 20:09 | |
| moritz_ | hi cosimo | 20:10 | |
| cosimo | I'm sorry, I'm always breaking in with some newbie question... :-) | 20:11 | |
| Even this time :) | |||
| Given this code: | 20:12 | ||
| if $?PUGS_BACKEND ne "BACKEND_PUGS" { | 20:13 | ||
| skip_rest "PIL2JS and PIL-Run do not support eval() yet."; | |||
| exit; | |||
| } | |||
| Is it correct to replace it with #?pugs: skip 'reason' with a block? | |||
| I don't think they have the same meaning... | 20:14 | ||
| moritz_ | since PIL2JS and PIL-Run are bit-rotten, you can just ignore that block | ||
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| moritz_ | aka delete it | 20:15 | |
| cosimo | thx | ||
| moritz_ | in the cleaned-up version | ||
| pmurias | svk-- #behaving strangly (mergin stuff which hasn't changed) | 20:16 | |
| ruoso going home & | 20:17 | ||
| ruoso have to take his mind in order... | |||
| pugs_svn | r19554 | cosimo++ | Refactored eval tests, moved under t/spec/S29-context/ | 20:19 | |
| r19554 | cosimo++ | Ignored old PIL2JS/PIL2Run backends notice, they are no more used, it seems. | |||
| r19555 | cosimo++ | Refactored 'defined' builtin tests, moved under t/spec/S29-scalar | 20:22 | ||
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| r19557 | cosimo++ | Refactored 'die' builtin tests, moved under t/spec/S29-context | 20:25 | ||
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| cosimo | Are these tests relevant anymore? perlsix.org/svn/pugs/view/t/builtin...it-in-if.t | 21:33 | |
| lambdabot | Title: view: /pugs/t/builtins/control_flow/exit-in-if.t (Rev: HEAD, via SVN::Web), tinyurl.com/2ohtud | ||
| cosimo | perlsix.org/svn/pugs/view/t/builtin...low/exit.t | ||
| lambdabot | Title: view: /pugs/t/builtins/control_flow/exit.t (Rev: HEAD, via SVN::Web) | ||
| moritz_ | looking... | ||
| I seen no reason why they shouldn't be relevant | 21:34 | ||
| look like old pugs regressions, but other implementations might run into the same errors | |||
| cosimo | They seem to be about PIL2JS | ||
| moritz_ | but they test valid perl 6 | 21:35 | |
| cosimo | ok! | ||
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| pmichaud | I've been thinking that specific compiler regressions could go into a regressions.t | 21:40 | |
| it would still get run by all implementations, but might make the test organizations a bit easier | 21:41 | ||
| pugs_svn | r19559 | cosimo++ | Refactored exit and nothing tests into t/spec/S29-context | ||
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| cosimo | pmichaud: by implementation you mean pugs, rakudo, and such..? | 21:42 | |
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| pmichaud | cosimo: yes | 21:42 | |
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| [particle] | as in, t/spec/S29-misc/regressions.t ?? | 21:43 | |
| pmichaud | well, it could even be t/spec/S29-context/regressions.t | ||
| [particle] | ok, sure | ||
| pmichaud | it depends a bit on the test... if it looks 'funny' with respect to the other tests, then perhaps it belongs in regressions.t | 21:44 | |
| Andy++ # "you can't declare a de facto standard" | 21:47 | ||
| alester | Heh, thanks. | ||
| pmichaud | that's a wonderful comment/insight | ||
| meppuru | good night | 21:48 | |
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| pmichaud | afk -- heading home | 21:53 | |
| alester | pmichaud: Seriously. | ||
| We could say "This is the official Perl 6", but everyone's free to ignore it. | |||
| pugs_svn | r19560 | cosimo++ | Refactored time-related function tests into t/spec/S29-time/ | 21:55 | |
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| pugs_svn | r19561 | cosimo++ | Fudge-ified :todo tests | 22:00 | |
| r19562 | moritz++ | Test suite refactoring: | |||
| r19562 | moritz++ | * move ignorecase regex modifier tests to t/spec/S05-modifier/* | |||
| r19562 | moritz++ | (still need more tests here) | |||
| r19562 | moritz++ | * small correctiion in t/builtins/math/log.t | |||
| r19563 | cosimo++ | Added all t/builtins/hashes/exists.t tests to existing | 22:04 | ||
| r19563 | cosimo++ | spec/S29-hash exist tests. | |||
| [particle] | (test refactoring)++ | 22:05 | |
| pugs_svn | r19564 | cosimo++ | Refactored and merged existing hash.delete() tests | 22:07 | |
| r19564 | cosimo++ | with spec/S29-hash/delete.t tests | |||
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| pugs_svn | r19565 | cosimo++ | Moved system() test script under t/spec/S29-os/ | 22:10 | |
| r19566 | moritz++ | moved :basechar tests to t/spec/S05-modifier/basechar.t | 22:14 | ||
| r19567 | cosimo++ | Refactored isa hash tests into t/spec/S29-hash/ | |||
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| pugs_svn | r19568 | moritz++ | test for repetition modifier under t/spec/ | 22:19 | |
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| pugs_svn | r19569 | moritz++ | moved tests for the :continue regex modifier | 22:22 | |
| [particle] | i like that this test refactoring means nobody's tests will work right until utils/fudge is ready :) | 22:24 | |
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| cosimo | :-) | 22:25 | |
| moritz_ | [particle]: I thought it already handles the simple cases? | ||
| [particle] | moritz_: it did, until everything changed | ||
| so now it doesn't handle any cases | |||
| i mean, no implementation handles #?<impl>: todo | 22:26 | ||
| moritz_ | but fudge does the for the implementation, doesn't it? | ||
| of course it's not yet integrated into the "make smoke" thingy | |||
| [particle] | never tried it | ||
| i've been meaning to, but too few cycles | 22:27 | ||
| cosimo | [particle]: maybe I should change {#?<impl>: todo} with {#?<impl>: todo ''} ? | ||
| [particle] | cosimo: i don't think that'll matter | 22:28 | |
| in any case, rakudo hasn't been tested with fudge | |||
| larry may have tested pugs, iunno | |||
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| moritz_ | a small question of spec interpretation: my $s = "aB "; $s =~ s:ii/.*/abcd/; should $s now be "aBcd" or "aBcD"? | 22:36 | |
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| moritz_ | so if the last matched char has no case information, is the rest of the substition string left unchanged? | 22:37 | |
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| [particle] | i'd hope the rest is left unchanged. | 22:40 | |
| moritz_ | ok | ||
| pugs_svn | r19570 | moritz++ | Added tests for the :ii modifier | 22:45 | |
| cosimo | and good night #perl6 | 22:47 | |
| moritz_ | good night cosimo ;) | ||
| Auzon | gnight! | ||
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| pugs_svn | r19571 | moritz++ | tests for the "smart" :ii modifier | 22:56 | |
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| mncharity | perl script/kp6 -Cruby -e 'say "hello, world!"' :) fglock++ | 23:57 | |