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| speckbot | r14586 | larry++ | Add missing series operator, mostly for readability. | 00:06 | |
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| meppl | good night | 02:10 | |
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| speckbot | r14587 | larry++ | typos | 02:14 | |
| literal | there's lwall and larry? | 02:15 | |
| TimToady | it ain't fair, is it... | ||
| Auzon | perlbot, karma TimToady | 02:17 | |
| perlbot | Karma for TimToady: 194 | ||
| Auzon | perlbot, karma larry | ||
| perlbot | Karma for larry: 188 | ||
| Auzon | perlbot, karma lwall | 02:18 | |
| perlbot | Karma for lwall: 576 | ||
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| TimToady | looks like I have some catching up to do with that lwall fellow... | 02:33 | |
| Auzon | Yeah. It seems like he gets karma three times as often as you do :P | 02:34 | |
| TimToady | maybe it's just because he has a famous name | ||
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| Ontolog | moritz_: you mentioned a bug a couple weeks ago that would prevent me from returning a list of Match objects (or interspersed String and Match objects) from split(), is that still valid? If so, which bug is it? | 04:00 | |
| moritz_: I've been AFK for a week but now I'm back and would like to get back to hacking some perl 6 stuff | 04:01 | ||
| wayland76 | I also have a question. If I have an array with 5 objects in it, and I have another variable which also points to the object, how do I find which array element contains the object that the other variable points at? | 04:38 | |
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| TimToady | how often do you want to do it? | 04:48 | |
| if often, a reverse hash is the right way to do it | 04:49 | ||
| if seldom, find the first element for which { $_ === $other } is true | 04:50 | ||
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| TimToady | (but no one implements hashes with object keys yet that I know of) | 05:00 | |
| wayland76 | Hmm. Often, but with different arrays :). I guess I use === | ||
| Well, I'm writing code that will target this hopefully-done-by-Christmas perl6 :) | 05:01 | ||
| Do we do POD yet? | |||
| (at least, do we ignore it while compiling? | 05:02 | ||
| TimToady | generally, I think so | ||
| wayland76 | Hmm. Is there any doco on the POD then? Because rakudo doesn't seem to be ignoring it | 05:03 | |
| TimToady | well, STD ignores it | ||
| wayland76 | Ok :) | ||
| TimToady | rakudo might be still expecting =cut instead of =end | ||
| wayland76 | I'll put in an appropriate complaint then | ||
| hmm. | |||
| well, I'm using =cut :) | 05:04 | ||
| literal | documentation: perlcabal.org/syn/S26.html | ||
| lambdabot | Title: S26 | ||
| TimToady | try =begin/=end | ||
| wayland76 | Oh, great :) | ||
| Wow! I was working off the old synopses on dev.perl.org :) | 05:05 | ||
| So now I can help myself much better! | |||
| Thanks :) | |||
| TimToady | well, I gotta get up in 4.5 hours and catch a plane, so I'd better zzz off | 05:07 | |
| thunk & | |||
| wayland76 | Have a good sleep :) | 05:08 | |
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| notbenh | is there a required trait for attrs in perl6 | 05:48 | |
| I also cant seem to find anything like moosed trigger for attr in S12, am I missing something? | 05:49 | ||
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| wayland76 | Does perl6 have a DBI module yet? :) | 08:58 | |
| moritz_ | no | 09:01 | |
| though in rakudo you can use the mysql NCI stuff | |||
| but it's really ugly to work with it | |||
| Tim Bunce said he'd write a DBI for Perl 6 (when it's "more done"), and get some inspiration from the odbc interfaces | 09:17 | ||
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| ruoso | pugs: package A { our multi foo is export ( Int $a ) { say $a + 1 }}; package B { our multi foo is export ( Str $a) { say $a ~ 'a' }}; say foo(1), foo('a'); | 10:41 | |
| p6eval | pugs: OUTPUT[*** ā¤ Unexpected "("ā¤ expecting trait or blockā¤ at /tmp/ijqnriJ8eH line 1, column 37ā¤] | ||
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| Ripples | any body knows about taint feature of perl ? | 10:42 | |
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| moritz_ | Ripples: for perl 5 questions you're wrong here | 11:08 | |
| Ripples: but `perldoc perlsec` or #perlhelp might help | |||
| Ripples | ok | ||
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| pugs_svn | r22518 | moritz++ | [t/spec] fixed syntax error in pre-post.t, caught by STD.pm++ | 11:51 | |
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| azawawi | moritz_: ping | 12:36 | |
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| azawawi | @seen moritz_ | 12:42 | |
| lambdabot | moritz_ is in #perl6. I last heard moritz_ speak 1h 34m 25s ago. | ||
| qwr | pugs: my $a = 13; my $c = $a; $c === $a | 12:48 | |
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| moritz_ | pong | 14:28 | |
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| masak | jerry++ # reply on p6u | 15:18 | |
| moritz_ | that would be [particle]++ ;) | ||
| masak | right. | 15:25 | |
| [particle]1++ too, just in case | |||
| [particle]1 | cheers | ||
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| masak | moritz_: welcome back from your weekend, btw | 15:26 | |
| moritz_ | thanks ;) | ||
| how's Novemeber moving? | |||
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| PerlJam | What?!? They're moving November? But I like it to be right after October and just before December. | 15:28 | |
| [particle] | it's a wiki. if they move it, you can move it back ;) | 15:29 | |
| masak | haha | 15:32 | |
| moritz_: slowly. 100% studies is a pain for hobby development. :) | 15:33 | ||
| but the things that do happen are cool | |||
| moritz_ | masak: I know that feeling ;( | ||
| masak | I spent the weekend teaching zarah the Bioclipse bot new tricks | ||
| so almost all the free hacking time went to that | 15:34 | ||
| moritz_: ping me at #november-wiki and I'll show you the new tricks :) | |||
| moritz_ | masak: so teaching buts stuff is what you call "study"? | 15:35 | |
| ;-) | |||
| masak | er. | ||
| it was the weekend! | |||
| I needed some time off from my massive study schedule... :) | |||
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| moritz_ | excuses ;) | 15:36 | |
| masak | aye. | 15:37 | |
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| masak | moritz_: I'd say the two things going on with November right now are MediaWiki markup and the tags system | 16:10 | |
| by me and ihrd, respectively | |||
| moritz_ | for me a "tag" is something like <body> or <code> | ||
| I like the term "label" better | |||
| masak | moritz_: me too. or "category" | ||
| moritz_ | but I guess nobody but google agrees | ||
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| masak | one of our branches is still blocking on #58392 :( | 16:15 | |
| moritz_ | the (in)famous lexicals bug | 16:16 | |
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| masak | I have a personal vendetta against that particular bug | 16:16 | |
| moritz_ hopes masak wins the vendetta | 16:17 | ||
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| masak | thing is, I don't have nearly enough Parrot-fu to do anything about it myself | 16:17 | |
| as far as I know, it's pmichaud++'s department | 16:18 | ||
| so the only thing I can do is to nag pmichaud | |||
| moritz_ | as far as I know, pmichaud would be very happy to delegate the issue to somebody else ;) | ||
| masak | it's not that... I don't know where to begin | ||
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| masak | it seems like an architectural issue | 16:18 | |
| moritz_ | yes, that's what I'm talking about | 16:19 | |
| masak | the flaw is in Parrot's lexicals handling, or pads handling, or whatever | ||
| moritz_ | right | 16:20 | |
| pmichaud | I've been complaining about lexicals handling for a year or so :-| | 16:22 | |
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| pmichaud | the only reason it's my department is because nobody else seems to prioritize it to fix it | 16:22 | |
| masak | oh. | 16:23 | |
| pmichaud: I'd do it, but I don't have the required skillz. | |||
| pmichaud | so I've basically said "well, looks like it's up to me then". | ||
| masak | pmichaud: any reading-up I can do, stuff like PDDs or source code? | ||
| pmichaud | masak: I was in the same boat -- I ended up spending a good bit of my summer studying the problem and figuring out how to solve it | ||
| masak | pmichaud: this problem? or some other problem? | 16:24 | |
| pmichaud | lexicals. | ||
| masak | seems like we need one more summer, then :) | ||
| pmichaud | heh | ||
| well, fortunately my time availability isn't that seasonal | |||
| I think I have a solution, but I was kinda waiting for the mmd branch to merge before making too big an investment in code | 16:25 | ||
| since that's happened (yesterday), I may be able to focus on it now. the 74 spectest_regression failures bug me a bit, though. | |||
| moritz_ | are they all related to complex math? | ||
| masak | 74, oy | ||
| pmichaud | not all, but most. | ||
| Parrot doesn't seem to be able to handle subclasses of its built-in Complex PMC | 16:26 | ||
| masak | pmichaud: nice to hear that a fix is not impossibly far away, in any case. as an application programmer, I kinda like recursion. | ||
| it's convenient. | |||
| pmichaud | masak: yes, I totally understand how recursion is important (especially for parsing issues :-) | ||
| masak | aye | 16:27 | |
| pmichaud | I did wake up this morning thinking "I feel like working on lexicals today." | ||
| masak | haha | ||
| follow your instincts! | |||
| & # swimming | 16:28 | ||
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| rakudo_svn | r31701 | pmichaud++ | [rakudo]: spectest-regression.csv update: 205 files, 4363 passing, 74 failing | 16:29 | |
| r31701 | pmichaud++ | Most failures seem to be related to the mmd branch merge, especially | |||
| r31701 | pmichaud++ | with complex number handling in Parrot (RT #59630). | |||
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| azawawi | hi | 16:38 | |
| ping | |||
| moritz_ | hi azawawi ;) | ||
| azawawi | ;-) | ||
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| azawawi | moritz_: i need to put some NCI shared lib code for $*PID and others; where is the ideal place to put these stuff in our perl6 src directory? | 16:39 | |
| moritz_ | azawawi: dunno. I've never messed with NCI so far. | 16:40 | |
| azawawi: in case of doubt, discuss with pmichaud | |||
| that said, do you really think that's necessary? | 16:41 | ||
| azawawi | hmmm parrot does not seem to have an op code to get the process id | ||
| pmichaud | azawawi: I'd prefer to ask the question "what's the standard Parrot mechanism to get the process id" than to immediately jump to NCI code | ||
| azawawi | cool | 16:42 | |
| but we should have a place to put util nci code for the future | |||
| things that parrot does not implement | |||
| pmichaud | I agree there. | 16:43 | |
| My guess is that pid code would go into Parrot's OS PMC | |||
| src/pmc/os.pmc | |||
| azawawi checking it | 16:44 | ||
| pugs_svn | r22519 | moritz++ | [t/spec] add tests for the new "series" infix:<...> operator (mostly plagiated | 16:45 | |
| r22519 | moritz++ | directly from the specs) | |||
| azawawi | i agree; it should go there eventually | ||
| azawawi starts working on RT #49586 | 16:50 | ||
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| [particle] | moritz: i'm doing a perl 6 workshop on wednesday. you have much prior art on p5->p6. any suggestions you have on references are appreciated | 17:21 | |
| moritz_ | [particle]: I guess you know both of my blog and Perl6::Perl5::Differences? | 17:23 | |
| (the latter being rather up-to-date, except when it comes to POD) | |||
| [particle] | yes, it's the 'up to date' part that's tricky :) | ||
| perhaps a wiki based on that could be updated by the group during the session? | 17:24 | ||
| moritz_ | perhaps ;) | ||
| [particle] | or, since it's in pugs svn... direct update in repo | 17:25 | |
| i can hand out commit bits liberally | |||
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| [particle] | (as long as commitbit is up and running then) | 17:26 | |
| moritz_ | .oO( ... ) |
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| [particle] | p6::p5::d is in pugs svn, that is | 17:27 | |
| moritz_ | omg, commitbit requires jet another Jifty plugin | 17:29 | |
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| moritz_ | [particle]: commitbit is running again | 17:38 | |
| now I have to run for table tennis training | 17:39 | ||
| Jifty-- # a hell to install | |||
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| azawawi | moritz_: interesting load avg went to 30+ on feather1 but is now dropping | 17:39 | |
| [particle] | moritz_++ | 17:41 | |
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| azawawi | moritz_: ? | 18:22 | |
| moritz_: ping | 18:23 | ||
| why do have math.pir and any-num.pir? | 18:31 | ||
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| azawawi | ./clear | 18:45 | |
| pugs: say 1.polar(0) | |||
| p6eval | pugs: OUTPUT[*** No such method in class Int: "&polar"ā¤ at /tmp/rXAFdeRYih line 1, column 5 - line 2, column 1ā¤] | ||
| azawawi | rakudo: say 1.polar(0) | 18:46 | |
| p6eval | rakudo 31667: OUTPUT[Null PMC access in get_string()ā¤current instr.: 'parrot;P6metaclass;add_parent' pc 95 (runtime/parrot/library/P6object.pir:126)ā¤] | ||
| azawawi | rakudo: say 1.unpolar(0) | ||
| p6eval | rakudo 31667: OUTPUT[Null PMC access in get_string()ā¤current instr.: 'parrot;P6metaclass;add_parent' pc 95 (runtime/parrot/library/P6object.pir:126)ā¤] | ||
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| azawawi | rakudo: say 4.unpolar(0); | 18:48 | |
| p6eval | rakudo 31667: OUTPUT[Null PMC access in get_string()ā¤current instr.: 'parrot;P6metaclass;add_parent' pc 95 (runtime/parrot/library/P6object.pir:126)ā¤] | ||
| pmichaud | azawawi: (math.pir vs. any-num.pir) math.pir was before all of the method semantics were worked out | 19:02 | |
| I suspect we haven't converted them all across. | |||
| azawawi | pmichaud: i noticed | ||
| pmichaud | that said, say 1.unpolar(0) should be working. | 19:03 | |
| azawawi | rakudo: say 1.unpolar(0); | ||
| p6eval | rakudo 31667: OUTPUT[Null PMC access in get_string()ā¤current instr.: 'parrot;P6metaclass;add_parent' pc 95 (runtime/parrot/library/P6object.pir:126)ā¤] | ||
| pmichaud | I suspect the problem is in the current parrot build, not in rakudo itself. | ||
| azawawi | it is working on the latest build | 19:04 | |
| pmichaud | (the parrot build in p6eval, that is) | ||
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| azawawi | pmichaud: so math.pir is going to be moved into any-num.pir in the end | 19:11 | |
| pmichaud | azawawi: probably. | ||
| [particle] | p6eval: control rebuild rakudo | 19:12 | |
| i forget the right commands... | |||
| p6eval: help | |||
| p6eval | [particle]: Usage: <(smop|pugs|nqp|std|rakudo|elf|pixie|kp6): $perl6_program> | ||
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| alech | hey, I am having some weird problems installing pugs, maybe someone can help me: gist.github.com/15108 | 19:28 | |
| lambdabot | Title: gist: 15108 ā GitHub | ||
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| ruoso realizes that this is the moment when SMOP actually need things to be implemented in Perl 6... we need all the built-ins to be defined in src-s1p so it can be compiled and loaded as the prelude | 20:03 | ||
| pugs: Object ~~ Any | 20:04 | ||
| p6eval | pugs: RESULT[Bool::False] | ||
| ruoso | pugs: Any ~~ Object | ||
| p6eval | pugs: RESULT[Bool::True] | ||
| ruoso | pugs: Junction ~~ Object | ||
| p6eval | pugs: RESULT[Bool::True] | ||
| azawawi | rakudo: my $x = 10; $x++; say $x; | 20:06 | |
| p6eval | rakudo 31667: OUTPUT[Null PMC access in get_string()ā¤current instr.: 'parrot;P6metaclass;add_parent' pc 95 (runtime/parrot/library/P6object.pir:126)ā¤] | ||
| azawawi | pugs: my $x = 10; $x++; say $x; | ||
| p6eval | pugs: OUTPUT[11ā¤] | ||
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| pugs_svn | r22520 | ruoso++ | [smop] compile-time binding is ::=, not := | 20:08 | |
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| pmichaud | p6eval's copy of rakudo is broken. | 20:10 | |
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| ruoso | if a multi sub is defined in more than one package as "is export", do the different versions merge as different options or is that an error? | 20:16 | |
| this has an important side-effect... | 20:17 | ||
| putting it another way... | |||
| are all the multi options stored inside an object that is then held in the variable space for that name? | 20:18 | ||
| or does the multi dispatch means finding for another variables in the lexical scope that might provide the proper multi option | 20:19 | ||
| or putting it in yet another way... | 20:20 | ||
| is it possible to add a lexically-scoped-variant to a multi sub? | |||
| pugs seems to implement the multi dispatch by continuing the traversing of the lexical scope if not variant is found... | 20:28 | ||
| PerlJam | ruoso: I'd guess that a lexically scoped multi should be possible. | 20:29 | |
| ruoso | yeah... it seems so... | ||
| so the sub dispatch actually is something like dispatch($name, $lexpad)\ | 20:30 | ||
| which means that finding the sub is not a normal variable lookup... | |||
| but this is not really a problem... | |||
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| moritz_ wants to rename !=:= to =!= ;-) | 22:14 | ||
| literal | or !:!, or !:= | 22:15 | |
| moritz_ | actually !:! is quite a nice idea | 22:16 | |
| the "restraint smily" operator ;) | |||
| erm, restrained | |||
| (english is hard) | |||
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| moritz_ | (Perl 6 is also hard, especially to implement) | 22:17 | |
| rakudo_svn | r31714 | moritz++ | [rakudo] non-positive limit returns empty list in Str.split. | 22:28 | |
| r31714 | moritz++ | Patch courtesy by Chris Davaz, Ontolog++. Closes RT #59642. | |||
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| lucybahart | hi | 22:31 | |
| rakudo_svn | r31715 | moritz++ | [rakudo] fixed some typos in docs and actions.pm, added small clarifiction on | ||
| r31715 | moritz++ | the REPL in README. | |||
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| ab5tract | wknight8111: i took the liberty of adding a link to the parrot wikibook to the parrot.org wiki | 22:53 | |
| it could stand to be better emphasized, imo. right now its just a link under 'Wiki 101' | 22:54 | ||
| wknight8111 | thanks! | 22:55 | |
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| ab5tract | i've been reading through it, its nice to have so much info about parrot in one place | 22:56 | |
| i think there is a mistake on page en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Parrot_Virtua...esentation ; it seems like '$x = AddTwo(4 + 5);' should be '$x = AddTwo(4, 5);' | 22:57 | ||
| lambdabot | tinyurl.com/3v8hxu | 22:58 | |
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