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colomon | rakudo: say 360.sin; | 00:32 | |
p6eval | rakudo 0d4fe0: OUTPUT«Method 'sin' not found for invocant of class 'Int'» | ||
colomon | rakudo: say 360.0.sin; | ||
p6eval | rakudo 0d4fe0: OUTPUT«0.958915723414307» | ||
colomon | rakudo: say 360.0.sin('degrees'); | ||
p6eval | rakudo 0d4fe0: OUTPUT«-2.44921270764475e-16» | ||
colomon | rakudo: say 360.0.sin('radians'); | 00:34 | |
p6eval | rakudo 0d4fe0: OUTPUT«0.958915723414307» | ||
colomon | rakudo: say (360.0).sin('radius'); | ||
p6eval | rakudo 0d4fe0: OUTPUT«0.958915723414307» | ||
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s1n | pmichaud: my logs don't show anything, so the test may have just consumed every bit of my memory and the kernel never killed the app | 01:27 | |
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rindolf | Hi all. | 01:38 | |
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pugs_svn | r28118 | quietfanatic++ | [perl6.org] Realigned header by shrinking it a little | 02:03 | |
quietfanatic | It's been bothering me long enough. | ||
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s1n | nuts, i just noticed i restarted my ironman status earlier this month | 03:07 | |
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pugs_svn | r28119 | kyle++ | label the tests for RT #68726 | 03:20 | |
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diakopter interested that perl6.org is not url-shortened by Twitter | 04:26 | ||
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pugs_svn | r28120 | leto++ | [t/spec] Add tests for hyperop version of min/max | 05:26 | |
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dukeleto | rakudo: say (1i,-2i).min | 06:32 | |
p6eval | rakudo 0d4fe0: OUTPUT«Multiple Dispatch: No suitable candidate found for 'cmp', with signature 'PP->I'in sub Any::_block1486 (src/gen_setting.pm:245)called from method Any::min (src/gen_setting.pm:254)called from Main (/tmp/VFGkiehQgK:2)» | ||
dukeleto | what would the preferred behavior be there, since complex numbers are not ordered? NaN ? or does it does is return the number with minimum abs() ? | 06:34 | |
s/does it does is/does it/ | |||
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Woodi | hallo, is Rakudo official perl6 ? | 06:36 | |
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TimToady | Woodi: anything that passes the official test suite is official Perl 6 | 06:40 | |
(nothing does yet) | 06:41 | ||
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dukeleto | Woodi: i think the last time I heard, rakudo was passing about %68 of the spec test suite. rakudo.org/status | 06:47 | |
Woodi | ppls in #perl seems to be strongly hating p6 idea... | 06:49 | |
mr_ank | You mean Camelia? | ||
dukeleto | Woodi: #perl is a different world | ||
pugs_svn | r28121 | leto++ | [t/spec] Add test for sorting floats with Inf/NaN in S32-list/sort.t | ||
TimToady | #perl likes to strongly hate lots of things | ||
the discouragement of hate in Perl 6 is one of the things they hate :) | 06:50 | ||
dukeleto | Woodi: people there like to spread negativity, but they don't seem to actually produce anything other than trolling. | ||
Woodi | heh. i think that better will win :) | 06:51 | |
mr_ank | you mean stuff like Moose? | ||
Or Catalyst? | |||
I'm confused, what exactly have you produced? | |||
TimToady | I've produced confusion :) | 06:52 | |
TimToady is pretty good at that... | |||
mr_ank | i wish i could be paid to produce that for 10 years :P | 06:55 | |
sjohnson | people in #perl are kind of mean | ||
they hurt baby! | |||
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snarkyboojum | last I heard perl6 was mostly a volunteer effort :) | 06:57 | |
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Woodi | and what about parrot - someone started optimizing it for performance ? | 06:58 | |
dukeleto | Woodi: that would be many people, but chromatic is very active in that area | 07:01 | |
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pugs_svn | r28122 | leto++ | [t/spec] Add test for sqrt(-0.0) | 07:28 | |
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dukeleto | t/spec/TODO mentions a file t/deprecated-syntax.pod that doesn't seem to exist any more | 07:36 | |
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azawawi | hi | 07:48 | |
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sjohnson | hey | 07:50 | |
oops, too late | |||
(´ー` ) | |||
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Su-Shee | good morning. :) | 08:10 | |
rindolf | Su-Shee: morning. | 08:16 | |
Su-Shee: how is Sunday called? | |||
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_P._Brooks - hmmm.... he won the Turing Award. | 08:17 | ||
carlin | dukeleto: svn.pugscode.org/pugs/t/deprecated-syntax.pod | 08:18 | |
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dukeleto | carlin++ | 08:18 | |
Su-Shee | rindolf: literal translation: sonn (sonne/sun) tag (day) | 08:19 | |
rindolf | Su-Shee: no, I mean if Sat is Su-Shee's slacking day - what is Sunday? | ||
Su-Shee | rindolf: ah :)) | 08:20 | |
rindolf: planning and coding day. | |||
rindolf | Su-Shee: ah. | ||
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rindolf | Su-Shee: someone quoted Reddit about perl6.org on #perlcafe | 08:21 | |
Su-Shee | rindolf: the manly gay feminine part? ;) | ||
rindolf | Su-Shee: hmm... it was said by EvanCarroll | 08:22 | |
carlin | we should make camelia flash different colours, that'd give them something to complain about ;) | ||
rindolf | www.reddit.com/r/programming/commen...rg/c0cjjil - this one. | ||
Su-Shee | I can add blink tags and marquees. ;) | ||
rindolf | Su-Shee: does perl6.org has some nifty :hover effects? | 08:23 | |
Nothing too intrusive just background colour change, etc. | |||
Su-Shee | rindolf: pugs main developer is transgender, so a little gay vibe seems perfectly reasonable to me. (that comment I really like.) | ||
(but it's a woman..) | |||
carlin | -4 points | 08:24 | |
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rindolf | Su-Shee: you should also add -webkit-rounded-corners | 08:26 | |
Su-Shee: too bad Opera doesn't have something like that. | |||
sjohnson | how's it going carlin ? | ||
hi Su-Shee | |||
rindolf | Su-Shee: I once read a fortune cookie that said "I'm a Lesbian born in a man's body." | 08:27 | |
carlin | Hi sjohnson :) | ||
Su-Shee | rindolf: I have border-radius for both. | 08:28 | |
rindolf | Su-Shee: ah. | ||
Su-Shee: perl-begin.org/temp/ - Alan Haggai worked on that with my input. | |||
Stretchy. | 08:29 | ||
carlin | the css validator doesn't like browser-specific border radii :( | ||
rindolf | Fluid. | ||
Munctional! | |||
carlin: yes, it's kinda inane. | |||
Su-Shee | carlin: yes. it's upcoming css3 which is supported by all major relatively recent browsers and will change to "border-radius" then. but it's not valid css2.x | ||
carlin: the next years will be somewhat fuzzy because all browsers are nowadays very much faster with implementing standards than the w3c actually releasing them. | 08:30 | ||
carlin | true | 08:33 | |
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Su-Shee | (did anyone realize how nice the page looks in lynx? :) | 08:35 | |
carlin | Except the alt-text on camelia it looks quite good :p | 08:38 | |
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carlin wishes sites like reddit could provide constructive feedback rather than "it causes seizures" | 08:41 | ||
Su-Shee | carlin: I have a new version in the making anyway... | ||
carlin | Oh, nice | 08:42 | |
Su-Shee | carlin: and many male techies will never like anything remotely "cute" or brightly colored.. | ||
carlin | Is their a preview of the new live anywhere? | ||
Su-Shee | carlin: alway at sushee.no-ip.org/p6p/ | 08:43 | |
carlin: but it's really pre-pre-pre (until I've finished my coffee :) | |||
carlin | have a link saying "if you are a male techie click here" which changes the website to a black background with white monospace text | 08:44 | |
that'll make everyone happy | |||
Su-Shee | *hihihi* ok :)) easily done :)) | ||
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rindolf | Su-Shee: I don't see the download link. | 08:49 | |
cognominal | I wonder if color choices are only cultural bias | 08:50 | |
Su-Shee | rindolf: in lynx? | ||
rindolf | But I like the briefer discussions. | ||
Su-Shee: no - here - sushee.no-ip.org/p6p/ | |||
Su-Shee | cognominal: of course they are. ask what everyone besides israel thinks about light blue in the middle east. ;) | ||
rindolf | Su-Shee: I suggest making the colours more pastelly. | ||
Su-Shee: and the fonts of the headers larger. | 08:51 | ||
Su-Shee | rindolf: I've tried. Rejected by commitee :) | ||
rindolf | Su-Shee: and perhaps not phrase them as questions. | ||
But rather "Download" | |||
Or "About" | |||
Or "Contribute" | |||
Su-Shee | rindolf: ah, the pre-version.. please wait a little until I got more.. | ||
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carlin | and on the male techie version replace Camelia with an Atlas moth | 08:54 | |
cognominal | and for the litterary kind a link toward nabokov? | 08:55 | |
carlin | in true timtowtdi fashion, the homepage is a portal which branches to a site layed out differently based on preference | 08:56 | |
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carlin | also need a version for entomophobiacs | 08:59 | |
Su-Shee | someone could do me the favor and start coding a little sleek cms in perl 6. ;) | 09:01 | |
carlin | What, actually do work? But it's so much easier to just criticise on IRC | ||
Su-Shee | well if we're actually offering a central site for everyone to go to about everything perl 6 related, this is going to be very fast a rather large thing.. | 09:03 | |
rindolf | Su-Shee: maybe code an off-line CMS. | ||
Su-Shee: or convert Latemp to p6. | |||
Su-Shee | rindolf: I can manage with pure html and vi for a rather long time, so no hurry. but "a p6 cms" is something on the top 10 killer app list anyway. | 09:05 | |
rindolf | Su-Shee: ah. | ||
Su-Shee | (blog engine, cms, wiki, forum, microblogging engine, web framework..) | ||
rindolf | Su-Shee: how do you maintain a navigation menu across pages? | ||
Su-Shee | rindolf: good question, next question. ;) | 09:08 | |
rindolf | Su-Shee: in Latemp, it's a no-brainer. | ||
Su-Shee: I never maintain a site as raw HTML. | 09:09 | ||
I always use Latemp or something. | |||
TT2 is also nice. | |||
nothingmuch: I saw your comment on my &zip blog post. | |||
Su-Shee | rindolf: I even don't know latemp. | 09:10 | |
rindolf | Su-Shee: then learn - web-cpan.berlios.de/latemp/ | ||
Su-Shee: though it has a steep learning curve. | 09:12 | ||
Su-Shee: I love how all the borders on that page are perfectly aligned. | |||
I used pt offsets. | |||
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sjohnson | ( `ー´) | 10:10 | |
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carlin | the silence is broken by a | 10:15 | |
umm | |||
what is that? | |||
jauaor | me | 10:16 | |
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carlin | ah no, a little ascii drawing by sjohnson, right before you joined | 10:17 | |
sjohnson | i call it, "the fatface" | 10:20 | |
Su-Shee | sleeping cat? | ||
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rindolf | Su-Shee: sleeping cat(1)? | 10:27 | |
carlin | man cat? | ||
rindolf | cat man. | ||
echo cat | |||
cat echo | |||
carlin | cat: man: No such file or directory | ||
sjohnson | TimToady said it was a sleeping cat too | 10:28 | |
carlin | and who are we to question his judgement? | ||
Su-Shee | tail missing, but it really looks like it. :) | ||
rindolf | carlin: you should try it in /usr/bin | ||
sjohnson | ~( `ー´) | ||
there u go Su-Shee | |||
carlin | rindolf: nice, I'm sure vim could find a way to syntax highlight that output | ||
rindolf | $ file /usr/bin/man | 10:29 | |
/usr/bin/man: setgid ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.9, stripped | |||
Su-Shee | sjohnson: "can it purr?" ;) | ||
rindolf | Emacs has a hex editing mode. | ||
rindolf is taking a break from refactoring some C code. | 10:30 | ||
Why is it /bin/cat and /bin/tiger ? | 10:31 | ||
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rindolf | Why is it /bin/cat and not /bin/tiger ? | 10:31 | |
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sjohnson | ~( `ー´) purr!! | 10:32 | |
thats as good as i am with ascii art | |||
rindolf | Hmmm... Frenglish is fun. | 10:33 | |
sjohnson: isn't it Unicode art? | |||
sjohnson | yeah | ||
i call it Franglais too | |||
rindolf | sjohnson: that it's not ASCII. | ||
sjohnson: Frenglish is in English ; Franglais is in French. | |||
There's also Engrew. | |||
Su-Shee | ah. we have denglish. ;) | 10:34 | |
rindolf | Hebrew with English paradigms. | ||
Su-Shee: Denmark English? | |||
Or deautch English? | |||
Su-Shee | de(utsch) english | ||
rindolf | There used to be something called Penglish (pinglish) - Palestinian English. | ||
Su-Shee: ah. | |||
huf | dont all programmers speak in a $local_lang/English mix? | ||
rindolf | There's also Chinglish and Engrish. | 10:35 | |
They are really off. | |||
Su-Shee | huf: here, the newspapers are constantly complaining about the imported english words.. ;) | ||
huf | Su-Shee: oh yeah, that's also constant ;) | 10:36 | |
funny how they never complain about all the latin and german and french and .... words | |||
Su-Shee | huf: yeah. 200 years ago they complained about the massive invasion of french words :)) | ||
rindolf | en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franglais | ||
huf | Su-Shee: well, what can you do with people who think a language is a static structure... | 10:37 | |
Su-Shee | what's really nasty is the more I chat in english and read documentation in english, the more I start to mix german and english while actually speaking, because I don't know certain terms in german. | ||
rindolf | Su-Shee: ah. | ||
huf | Su-Shee: and that is the correct approach imho | ||
rindolf | Su-Shee: it happens to me with Hebrew too. | ||
huf | i *really* hate translating technical terms, which means that when we talk code, large parts of the sentence are in badly-pronounced english :) | ||
rindolf | Su-Shee: I think most Israelis I know make many grammatical/etc. Hebrew mistakes. | ||
And some even Spelling. | 10:38 | ||
Su-Shee | turkish girls here have perfected the language mix. for the sake of the communication flow, they use arabic, turkish and german in a rapid flow of speech. | ||
rindolf | Though spelling modern Hebrew is difficult. | ||
And such mistakes were found in archaelogical excavations. | |||
Su-Shee | huf: me too. and microelectronics for example I plainly don't know in german anymore. | ||
rindolf | Su-Shee: doesn't most of the Turkish vocab come from Arabic? | 10:39 | |
Su-Shee | rindolf: no. totally different language family. but of course there's a large arabic corpus. | ||
huf | my belief is that computers should be in english. your data could (but shouldnt, if at all possible) be in some weird provincial language you happend to grow up with, but the UI/code/docs/jargon should always be english. | ||
Su-Shee | huf: I hear you. | 10:40 | |
rindolf | Su-Shee: yes, that's what I meant. | ||
Su-Shee: vocabulary. | |||
Su-Shee: not the grammar/syntax/etc. | |||
I hate localised error messages. | |||
Su-Shee | OHYES! | ||
me too! | |||
rindolf | They make reading many Google posts difficult. | ||
I mean stuff you find while STFWing. | 10:41 | ||
huf | of course, we dont find it odd that a computer requires a special language to interact with :) | ||
Su-Shee | rindolf: I'm the one who's called by non-techie friends in the evening and ask to give a dignose based on those messages. ;) | ||
huf | but how to force this on the public? | 10:42 | |
rindolf | Su-Shee: heh. | ||
M_o_C | Another disadvantage is that when googling for a solution you'll only get posts containing the localised error message... | ||
Su-Shee | huf: luckily, many people adopt the english-based internet/tech slang. | ||
huf | Su-Shee: i just claim very loudly that i dont understand hungarian error messages, whenever the subject comes up, so they know i wont/cant help :) | ||
Su-Shee | M_o_C: and on top of all that a distribution-specific solution if it's linux. | 10:43 | |
huf: I look sad and say "oh, gee, I'm so sorry, but I don't have a mac (windows) - I really have no idea.." | |||
huf | Su-Shee: yeah, that's also a handy trick :) | ||
"get out of fixing-everyone's-boxen free card" | 10:44 | ||
Su-Shee | huf: especially if those are people which usally don't even have the patience to even listen to what I'm telling them... | ||
huf | Su-Shee: yeah, because "they dont understand it" | 10:45 | |
as if it required fucking magic... | |||
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huf | i need a wizzard hat. | 10:45 | |
carlin | nope, all you need is a flowchart | ||
Su-Shee | huf: I usally have a nice killer argument.. because I'm also no technician and I also didn't grow up with computers. ;) | ||
carlin | xkcd.org/627/ | ||
huf | rindolf: is the spelling still hard in hebrew if you use the latin letters? | 10:46 | |
rindolf | huf: well... | ||
huf | Su-Shee: i got my own computer at age 16. i'm heavily handicapped ;) | ||
rindolf | huf: most people don't follow the right transliteration. | ||
Like they use k instead of "q". | |||
huf: and some letters in Hebrew don't have a good transliteration. | |||
M_o_C | Meh, github http downloads are darn slow today... | ||
huf | rindolf: oh? | 10:47 | |
carlin | github is always slow :( | ||
rindolf | huf: for example it's Al-Quran - not Al-Kuran. | ||
huf: or Qur'an rather. | |||
huf: Al-Qadim too. | |||
huf: And it's not kwa. | |||
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rindolf | That was the original use of the word in the Phoenician alphabet. | 10:48 | |
A "q" sound. | |||
huf | hmm, sounds are so hard to talk about on irc... | ||
rindolf | huf: yes. | 10:51 | |
huf: think is - many Hebrew speakers say "k" instead of "q" in everyday speech. | |||
huf | so you have dialects | ||
rindolf | huf: but still, some Israeli arabs told me that learning to read and write Hebrew was much easier for them than learning Written Arabic. | 10:52 | |
Su-Shee | .oO(says the fellow with the nastily inflected language.. ;) |
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huf | Su-Shee: eh? | ||
rindolf | huf: we have some dialects and variations. | ||
Su-Shee | huf: aren't you hungarian? ;) | ||
huf | yeah, but how do dialects enter into this :) | ||
we have a few but they're very minor | 10:53 | ||
nothing like german or english has | |||
rindolf | huf: but Hebrew doesn't have a diglossia yet. | ||
huf: though sometimes I'm flabbergasted by the broken Hebrew that some people have. | 10:54 | ||
huf | Su-Shee: mostly our dialects center around slight differences in vowel pronuniciation plus how they dealt with the loss of a vowel sound (the 'e' in men) | ||
rindolf: s/hebrew/$local_language/ and yeah, i agree ;) | |||
Su-Shee | huf: I liked hungarian. if you really just go with it, it's not even illogic. | 10:55 | |
rindolf | huf: I'm not talking about slang. I like a lot of slang. | ||
huf: but I'm talking about bad grammar. | |||
huf | hmm... is that because hebrew is so recently resurrected? | 10:56 | |
or is that just general ignorance | |||
Su-Shee | here, bad grammar is a question of "class" and education... | 10:57 | |
huf | same | ||
and it only comes out in complex sentences. everyone can perform simple ones correctly. | 10:58 | ||
Su-Shee | huf: here it's certain very specific constructions in simple sentences | ||
huf: which you either get right or not and that's determined by your environment. | 10:59 | ||
huf | well, not really. no matter what stratum of society you grew up in, you're constantly exposed to the correct grammar. there's no excuse for not knowing that | 11:00 | |
Su-Shee | huf: you can avoid pretty well to be exposed to good newspapers or news and if you end up only with really bad reality shows on tv... | 11:01 | |
rindolf | I think that the misunderstanding of Latin by the vulgars has made the grammar of Romance languages. | ||
huf | rindolf: i dont thin the people of rome spoke latin back in the day | 11:02 | |
it was probably a vulgar dialect ;) | |||
M_o_C | Su-Shee: Even newspapers contain more errors than one thinks they should... | 11:03 | |
Su-Shee | huf: sure they did - many of them badly of course. there's an entire corpus of people's latin. | ||
M_o_C: at least they get some nasty grammar fuckups right :) | |||
huf | Su-Shee: wel yes, but even today latin and italian are mutually intelligible, so... latin can be said to be a literary form of italian :) | 11:04 | |
rindolf | huf: yes, they evolved from Vulgar Latin. | ||
pmurias | ruoso: hi | 11:05 | |
Su-Shee | well yes and no. as latin was the main written language in entire europe up until.. leibniz I think, there's the line of written latin and the change of people actually speaking and evolving with latin. | ||
huf | Su-Shee: but that latin is not the same as the latin romans spoke ;) not exactly, anyway | ||
Su-Shee recommends the tv series "ROME" :) | 11:06 | ||
quote: "mother, it was just an orgy.." :) | |||
huf | they live in esher? | 11:07 | |
rindolf | Su-Shee: I heard it was awful. | ||
Su-Shee | rindolf: it was totally brilliant, I _loved_ it. | ||
rindolf | Su-Shee: ah. | ||
Su-Shee | rindolf: I really loved my ass off, they had the exact right amount of disrespect for "uuuh ahhh culture! old languages! latin!" ;) | 11:09 | |
laughed of course. ;) | |||
rindolf: marcus antonius and cleopatra totally stoned... watch it. :) | 11:14 | ||
rindolf | Su-Shee: Cleopatra was a bitch, BTW. | ||
She was one of the most Evil women in history , IMO. | |||
Su-Shee | rindolf: well what do you expect from an imperial ruler and politician? ;) | 11:15 | |
rindolf | Su-Shee: I guess. | ||
Though some rulers were noble. | |||
Su-Shee: Cleopatra was also Macedonian in origin. | 11:16 | ||
She just married the the king Ptolmey of Egypt. | 11:17 | ||
Ptolmey (sp?) | |||
Ptolemy | 11:18 | ||
Modern Hebrew speakers can understand a large part of the Bible. | 11:20 | ||
Not all the words there. | |||
But most of them. | |||
Even though the grammar there is very different. | 11:21 | ||
for example you said "And he will go" for "he went" | |||
Or "and he went" for "he will go" | |||
And it's Verb ; Subject ; Object | |||
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carlin | rakudo: class Foo { method bar { my @a = 1..10; for @a { say pop @a } } }; say Foo.bar; | 11:30 | |
p6eval | rakudo 0d4fe0: OUTPUT«10987654321» | ||
carlin | from the CLI that works fine for me, if I paste that into a file and run it, it segfaults | 11:31 | |
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carlin | can anyone confirm? / is it known? Seems strange | 11:39 | |
rakudo: class Foo { method bar { my @a = 1; undefine @a; } }; say Foo.bar; | 11:47 | ||
p6eval | rakudo 0d4fe0: OUTPUT«Null PMC access in type()in Main (/tmp/FY6ElFiRdQ:2)» | ||
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rindolf | This is a nice album - www.jamendo.com/en/album/51099 | 12:21 | |
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rindolf | Su-Shee: maybe you'd like www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUpRPMkLGc4 | 12:45 | |
It's a skit about an Israeli Arab Teacher of English. | 12:46 | ||
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JimmyZ | rakudo: (4/2).say; (4 div 2).say; | 14:37 | |
p6eval | rakudo 0d4fe0: OUTPUT«2infix:<div> not yet implemented in Rakudo, sorryin sub infix:div (src/gen_setting.pm:1592)called from Main (/tmp/RfY2SosfcB:2)» | ||
JimmyZ | rakudo: (4/2).say; | 14:38 | |
p6eval | rakudo 0d4fe0: OUTPUT«2» | ||
JimmyZ | rakudo: ( 'f', 'foo', 'bar')>>.say; | 14:39 | |
p6eval | rakudo 0d4fe0: OUTPUT«ffoobar» | ||
JimmyZ | rakudo: ( 'f', 'foo', 'bar')>>.print; | 14:40 | |
p6eval | rakudo 0d4fe0: OUTPUT«ffoobar» | ||
ruoso missing :ignoreaccent in Perl 5 | 14:43 | ||
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rindolf | Hi all. | 15:08 | |
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Su-Shee | I hate C. I hate Gtk. I want a native Perl widget set. | 15:09 | |
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rindolf | Su-Shee: :-) | 15:09 | |
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rindolf | Su-Shee: including a native Perl XLib? | 15:09 | |
Su-Shee | Yes, please. | 15:10 | |
rindolf | Su-Shee: coming right up. | ||
Su-Shee: not sure how fast it will be. | |||
Juerd | While you're at it, make it web hybrid :) | ||
rindolf | I think gtk+ tends to be kinda verbose. | ||
Su-Shee: have you tried Qt? | |||
Su-Shee | rindolf: I don't have any qt apps so I don't use it.. right now I'm only at "trying to compile a more recent gtk version" ;) | 15:11 | |
and while I'm at complaining: sometimes I really hate re-use as well... this is a list of dependencies plainly killing me... | |||
rindolf | Su-Shee: slackware sucks. | 15:12 | |
Su-Shee: in Mandriva installing gtk+ is a simple urpmi command away. | |||
Su-Shee: or upgrading it. | |||
Su-Shee | rindolf: please don't annoy me now with assumptions about slackware. ;) | 15:13 | |
rindolf | Su-Shee: and on Mandriva/Debian/etc. I dislike polluting the main parition wiith installed files. | ||
Su-Shee: then why don't you use a package manager to install the deps? | |||
Su-Shee | I don't pollute anything, I'm installing another gtk version into somewhere else for some experimental stuff. | 15:14 | |
rindolf | Su-Shee: I see. | ||
Su-Shee: then why don't you build it against the glib/gobject/etc of /usr? | |||
Su-Shee | rindolf: because I need them differently and elsewhere for a specific build enviroment... | ||
rindolf | Su-Shee: ah. | ||
Did you write scripts for that? | |||
Su-Shee | not yet, it's the first build up to actually see what I really _have_ to package and script later. | 15:15 | |
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araujo was told that mac osx sl now includes some AppleScript bindings for Cocoa | 15:34 | ||
lambdabot | araujo: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. | ||
smuj | perl6: say "yep" if 'aaa' ~~ 'aa'..'ab' | ||
p6eval | pugs, rakudo 0d4fe0: ( no output ) | ||
..elf 28122: OUTPUT«No viable candidate for call to multimethod infix__126_126($,$,$) at (eval 130) line 3 at ./elf_h line 5881» | |||
smuj | perl6: say "yep" if 'aa' le 'aaa' le 'ab' | 15:35 | |
p6eval | elf 28122: OUTPUT«No viable candidate for call to multimethod infix_le($,$,$) at (eval 128) line 3 at ./elf_h line 5881» | ||
..pugs, rakudo 0d4fe0: OUTPUT«yep» | |||
M_o_C | Amazon really scares me. Yesterday I was browsing Wikipedia for category theory and functional languages, today I visited Amazon because I wanted to track an order and first thing it suggests me is Basic Category Theory for Computer Scientists. And I did not look for that kind of book previously on Amazon... | 15:38 | |
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pmichaud | good morning, #perl6 | 15:42 | |
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cognominal understands why TimToady has choosed biblic scriptures as name for Perl 6 specs. Each time I open the spec, I have a new reading of it | 15:43 | ||
JimmyZ | my @array = 1, 2, 3; my $a = @array; say $a.WHAT; | ||
rakudo: my @array = 1, 2, 3; my $a = @array; say $a.WHAT; | |||
p6eval | rakudo 0d4fe0: OUTPUT«Array()» | ||
JimmyZ | rakudo: my @array = 1, 2, 3; ^@array.say; | 15:44 | |
p6eval | rakudo 0d4fe0: OUTPUT«123» | ||