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SmokeMachine timotimo: why ":my $*GOAL := $<sym> eq '??' ?? '!!' !! '‼';" amuses you? 01:00
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timotimo because of how the symbols repeat inside and outside of quoting there 01:01
just from a visual standpoint, the final !!-as-one-character amuses, too
SmokeMachine but that isn't on rakudo source code anymore, is it? 01:04
timotimo doesn't seem so
geekosaur yeh, that's sort of a visual pun 01:06
yoleaux 26 Nov 2017 10:54Z <nine> geekosaur: I've had a quick look at it yesterday and believe it to be a type mismatch in p5_av_top_index. But I'm not entirely sure yet.
26 Nov 2017 11:05Z <nine> geekosaur: Oooh...no, it's probably not as mundane as that. An issue with JIT compilation of native calls is more consistent with the facts. It's probably not correctly expanding signed return values correctly on some platforms.
SmokeMachine timotimo: ⁇ ‼︎ was removed from rakudo, wasn't it? 01:07
timotimo i think so
lookatme :) 01:08
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SmokeMachine so, I didn't get it... :P 01:08
lookatme Why it removed ?
It will not available in 6.d ? 01:09
SmokeMachine lookatme: not ?? !!, but ⁇ ‼︎
u: ⁇ ‼︎
unicodable6 SmokeMachine, U+2047 DOUBLE QUESTION MARK [Po] (⁇)
SmokeMachine, U+0020 SPACE [Zs] ( )
SmokeMachine, 4 characters in total: gist.github.com/e86ba1dc9cc2a80a35...9fc382ef8a
lookatme ~~ oh 01:10
m: say "⁇ ‼︎".codes
camelia 4
lookatme m: say "?? !!".codes 01:11
camelia 5
teatime tries to find the 4th codepoint in the first example
lookatme ⁇ #one ' ' # two ! # three ! # four 01:12
Is it right ?
teatime no, it's one codepoint for ‼︎ is it not?
lookatme Hmm, IDK 01:13
teatime oh, there's a variation selector
which is invisible
geekosaur looks to me like something inserted a variant selector, yeh
lookatme oh
geekosaur might even be a bug in unicode support in the sending irc client
Juerd m: "⁇ ‼︎".comb».codes
camelia ( no output )
Juerd m: say "⁇ ‼︎".comb».codes
camelia (1 1 2)
SmokeMachine I think i wrote it wrong... 01:14
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SmokeMachine u: ⁇ ‼️ 01:14
unicodable6 SmokeMachine, U+2047 DOUBLE QUESTION MARK [Po] (⁇)
SmokeMachine, U+0020 SPACE [Zs] ( )
SmokeMachine, 4 characters in total: gist.github.com/9270df6ac73da2a206...4e0e9f76e6
lookatme u: ‼️
unicodable6 lookatme, U+203C DOUBLE EXCLAMATION MARK [Po] (‼)
lookatme, U+FE0F VARIATION SELECTOR-16 [Mn] ( ️)
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lookatme u: ‼ 01:15
unicodable6 lookatme, U+203C DOUBLE EXCLAMATION MARK [Po] (‼)
SmokeMachine lookatme: it was removed here: github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/9644fc360f 01:21
lookatme: and this is why: rt.perl.org/Public/Bug/Display.html?id=131002
so, zip-latest should work the way its documented or the way it is tested (I mean: it should be done when any of the source supplies is done or only when all of those are done)? 01:25
timotimo for zip-latest i'd assume "when all are done" 01:26
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timotimo after all, its main gimmick is that it emits a new tuple whenever any one of the supplies changes 01:26
zip on the other hand only emits tuples when all supplies have emitted up to the same point, so it makes a lot of sense for it to "done" as soon as a single ... actually, hold on 01:27
maybe zip should "done" when the "current position" reaches a supply that has "done"
SmokeMachine timotimo: so, we should fix the doc? docs.perl6.org/type/Supply#method_zip-latest 01:28
timotimo: yes, I fixed zip last friday...
timotimo m: my ($a, $b, $c) = Supplier.new xx 3; Supply.zip($a, $b, $c).act: *.say; $a.emit for (1, 2, 3); $b.emit for (9, 8); $c.emit("x"); say "."; $c.emit("y"); say "."; $c.emit("z"); 01:29
camelia Can only use zip to combine defined Supply objects
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
timotimo m: my ($a, $b, $c) = Supplier.new xx 3; Supply.zip($a.Supply, $b.Supply, $c.Supply).act: *.say; $a.emit for (1, 2, 3); $b.emit for (9, 8); $c.emit("x"); say "."; $c.emit("y"); say "."; $c.emit("z");
camelia Too few positionals passed; expected 2 arguments but got 1
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
timotimo SmokeMachine: there's a typo in the docs, it should be *@supplies, not @*supplies 01:30
m: my ($a, $b, $c) = Supplier.new xx 3; Supply.zip($a.Supply, $b.Supply, $c.Supply).act: *.say; $a.emit($_) for (1, 2, 3); $b.emit($_) for (9, 8); $c.emit("x"); say "."; $c.emit("y"); say "."; $c.emit("z");
camelia (1 9 x)
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timotimo m: my ($a, $b, $c) = Supplier.new xx 3; Supply.zip($a.Supply, $b.Supply, $c.Supply).act: *.say; $a.emit($_) for (1, 2, 3, 4, 5); $a.done; $b.emit($_) for (9, 8); $c.emit("x"); say "."; $c.emit("y"); say "."; $c.emit("z"); 01:30
camelia .
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timotimo i think this is wrong ^ 01:31
SmokeMachine m: react whenever Supply.zip: Supply.from-list(^4), Supply.interval(1) { .say }
camelia (0 0)
timotimo but that's very much up to debate
up for debate*
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SmokeMachine brb 01:32
timotimo m: my Supplier $a .= new; my Supplier $backwards .= new; Supply.zip($a.Supply, $backwards.Suply).act({ .say; $backwards.emit: uc $_ }); $a.emit($_) for "a".."h"; 01:36
camelia No such method 'Suply' for invocant of type 'Supplier'. Did you mean 'Supply'?
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
timotimo m: my Supplier $a .= new; my Supplier $backwards .= new; Supply.zip($a.Supply, $backwards.Supply).act({ .say; $backwards.emit: uc $_ }); $a.emit($_) for "a".."h";
camelia ( no output )
timotimo ah, yes
m: my Supplier $a .= new; my Supplier $backwards .= new; Supply.zip($a.Supply, $backwards.Supply).act({ .say; $backwards.emit: uc $_ }); $backwards.emit(""); $a.emit($_) for "a".."h";
camelia (a )
(b A )
(c B A )
(d C B A )
(e D C B A )
(f E D C B A )
(g F E D C B A )
(h G F E D C B A )
timotimo kind of cute 01:37
m: my Supplier $a .= new; my Supplier $backwards .= new; Supply.zip($a.Supply, $backwards.Supply).act({ .perl.say; $backwards.emit: uc $_ }); $backwards.emit(""); $a.emit($_) for "a".."h"; 01:39
camelia $("a", "")
$("b", "A ")
$("c", "B A ")
$("d", "C B A ")
$("e", "D C B A ")
$("f", "E D C B A ")
$("g", "F E D C B A ")
$("h", "G F E D C B A ")
timotimo ah, it uc's the whole thing so it becomes a longer and longer string
SmokeMachine Sorry, my wife just “stole” my computer, so I can’t fix that now... :(
timotimo that's fine
SmokeMachine (I should have bought a Mac for her when I had chance...) 01:41
comborico1611 Haha 01:42
timotimo if it's a linux machine, have you considered a multi-seat setup? 01:43
it's probably cheaper to buy a second keyboard, mouse, and display rather than a second computer, keyboard, mouse, and display :)
SmokeMachine timotimo: that makes sense... but I use a Mac... (I’ll have real problems when my 2 girls start using my Mac too) 01:46
lookatme They use your MAC for what? For fun? 01:47
Mac
SmokeMachine My kids don’t use it yet... my wife is using for work... 01:48
This moments I’d love to have perl6 for iPhone...
glot.io helps... but I’d like it native for iPhone... 01:49
lookatme I have a linux note book for Perl6
SmokeMachine Like the pythonista...
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SmokeMachine omz-software.com/pythonista/ 01:50
lookatme yeah, I know it :)
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SmokeMachine That would be so cool! 01:52
lookatme yeah, Perl6 online is not convenient :) 01:53
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SmokeMachine I would like to try to make that work... but I have no idea of how to start it... 01:56
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comborico1611 Goodnight, guys. 01:57
lookatme goodnight
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SmokeMachine Good night! 01:57
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lookatme SmokeMachine, compile Perl 6 in IPhone ? 01:58
SmokeMachine Yes... how?
lookatme Maybe on same hardware(like CPU) computer 01:59
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lookatme IDK :) Haha 01:59
timotimo lookatme: you can't just compile something on an iphone. you have to pay to get an apple developer memberhpi 02:00
membership*
and i'm not sure if you can develop for an iphone on anything other than a mac osx system
lookatme I think this work in Android
SmokeMachine Now you can compile and run on your own device... nowadays you only pay to send to the store... 02:01
lookatme I am not using IPhone. I only have a IPad and IPod
SmokeMachine And yes, I think it only crosscompiles on Xcode... 02:03
timotimo interesting
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SmokeMachine stackoverflow.com/questions/283233...ce-for-ios 02:06
Anyone would be interested to make it happen? 02:08
Juerd I don't understand the purpose of ;; in signatures and the documentation is rather thin 02:11
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Juerd In a simple test case with ($foo) vs ($foo;; $bar) it doesn't seem to be any different from a regular comma. 02:12
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Juerd That is: the presence of a second argument definitely causes the latter to be called, even though the documentation for signatures says "To exclude certain parameters from being considered in multiple dispatch, separate them with a double semi-colon." 02:13
Is there even any use case for this with non-optional arguments? 02:15
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timotimo m: multi sub foo($a;; Str $b) { }; multi sub foo($a;; Int $b) { }; foo(1, "hi"); foo(1, 99) 02:19
camelia Ambiguous call to 'foo'; these signatures all match:
:($a;; Str $b)
:($a;; Int $b)
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
timotimo maybe when you have a type constraint that is deemed "more narrow" than that in another sub but you want the less narrow one to be preferred for some reason? 02:20
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ryn1x How can I kill a process started with "start". Eg. my $p = start sleep 300 . I know "kill" is a method of Proc::Async, but start retuns a promise... 04:18
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perlawhirl ryn1x: AFAIK, a promise isn't a process, so you can't "kill" it. unless you 'await' the promise, it should stop when your script ends. 04:32
i believe a 'start' block is just sugar for creating a promise. 04:33
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perlawhirl if you want to 'kill' a promise earlier (ie. time it out) you might be better of with something like 'my $p = Promise.anyof(Promise.in($timeout), $promise-that-might-take-too-long)' 04:34
an example of using a Promise.anyof() is in docs.perl6.org/language/concurrency
ryn1x Thanks perlawhirl. Looks like Proc::Async::Timeout does what I was thinking. Looks like "start" does use Proc::Async, but it returns a promise and you have no way to access the proc to kill it before it returns. My problem was that if the timeout expired I needed to forcefully kill the process. 04:42
Hmm... I think I am wrong actually... the start sub routine does not use Proc::Async... it is a promise which is asynchronous... I confuse myself withh al lthe concurrency terms... 04:51
perlawhirl the start block does not technically use Proc::Async.
yes,
'start' is sugar for Promise.start()
ryn1x Ok
perlawhirl But all promises, including ones created from Proc::Async have a .start method 04:52
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ryn1x Maybe there is no way to do what I want then... since what I want to "kill" is not an external process... but an asynchronous routine... 04:52
perlawhirl maybe you can create a Promise, grab the vow... and then break it at some point... though i'm not 100% sure... i actually haven't played much with Promises. 04:53
ryn1x hmm... I get "Access denied to keep/break this Promise; already vowed" when messing with the vow and break methods. 04:56
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ZzZombo woo! 05:12
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scimon Morning all. 09:25
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DrForr Mornin'. Survived LPW, just barely :) 09:26
masak congratulations!
scimon It was a good day. Shame I had to leave early but prior engagements. 09:27
masak I would've loved to be there. seems it was nice this year 09:28
DrForr I thought it was, would'v eloved to see you there.
*would've loved
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DrForr Oh gods, this is the portion of the /Chariots of Fire/ soundtrack that I'll forever hear as "On Top of Spaghetti" thanks to Sharon Ryan. 09:30
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DrForr o/ 09:36
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masak DrForr: all other things being equal, I'd rather be on top of spaghetti 09:48
DrForr True, the alternative *would* increase the odds that you were in The Hunger Games.
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perlawhirl \me clickbaits: www.0racle.info/articles/its_a_wrap 09:56
perlawhirl needs to learn to irc gooder
would appreciate someone taking a gander at my post and calling out any spelling errors and/or logical fallacies 09:57
DrForr I have this notion that I'm going to take the time to rewrite "Powerful Python" in Perl 6. The examples would mostly be one to five lines...
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scimon Quick look at the article and it's pretty impressive. 10:10
moritz perlawhirl: "Most of this should be fairly obvious, except maybe callsame, which I covered in my last post" this would be an excellent opportunity to link to the previous post :-) 10:12
perlawhirl scimon: thanks
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scimon (moritz makes a good point) 10:12
perlawhirl moritz++ will do. I do link to it up the top, but it doesn't hurt to add another
scimon The more links the better (if they are in reasonable places) 10:13
moritz nice post, perlawhirl++ 10:14
DrForr 13/10 would read again :) 10:15
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perlawhirl hah, thanks all. it's been a long time between posts. I think i need to do more bite sized updates so i don't feel pressure to write coherent longer pieces 10:17
ok thanks for all the eyes... will post to reddit
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wander I am looking for the proper translation of 'lexpad' in Chinese, since outside perl culture it is rarely used. 10:18
It is quite like the concept 'symbol table', so what is the difference? 10:19
DrForr perlawhirl: Same problem here, but I find that when I sit down and think "oh, it'll be just a quickie" turns into 2 hours figuring out how to explain a simple concept and expanding code... 10:20
jnthn wander: It's short for "lexical pad", and it's just the symbol table for a particular lexical scope.
huf the lexpad is where the cool lexicals hang out and talk about sticking it to the man... 10:21
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jnthn I'm not quite sure where the "pad" bit came from :) 10:21
jferrero m: ("01" .. "12")».join(",").say 10:22
camelia (01 02 11 12)
wander Seems I could translate it as what 'symbol table' is, associate its English lexical string and explain it's perlish 10:24
piojo perlawhirl: the link to the last post is broken: /articles/articles/perl_6_on_rails
huf wander: treat it as a proper name, like edward or maude? 10:25
masak wander: 'lexpad' seems a Perl-centered term, yes
wander: searching on ddg gives Parrot's PDD 20 as the top relevant hit
Wikipedia is all "Did you mean 'Leopard'?" 10:26
huf the lexpad cannot change its slots?
DrForr The term 'pad' came from 'scratchpad', a place to write temporary notes.
masak huf: I might be wrong, but at some point the lexpad gets built, incrementally. then it can change its slots. 10:27
huf awww, another old saying falls to the dust
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perlawhirl piojo: thanks, fixed 10:29
wander huf: sorry, I don't know what you mean, could you please explain it? 10:30
DrForr Beware of the Lexpad.
wander masak: yes, it seems perlists use it a lot, however not so common other place. 10:31
El_Che DrForr: did you give a talk at LPW? 10:32
DrForr Too f*cking early in the morning, but yes.
act.yapc.eu/lpw2017/talk/7257 10:33
huf wander: treat it as a name, not something to translate really
wander huf: see. 10:34
huf though... i dont know the chinese translation tradition concerning proper names
DrForr surname then given name, IME.
huf heh 10:35
El_Che DrForr: computer says no
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El_Che act seems down 10:35
DrForr I just checked a second ago. WFM :)
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El_Che mm 10:37
should be here
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El_Che I cn reach it from home 10:37
DrForr I'm at work and it's available.
Oo. overleaf.com looks eenteresting. 10:40
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scimon Unfortunately I didn't see your talk DrForr as I was also up to f*ing early giving a talk. 10:41
DrForr No worries. It wasn't as much a talk as "wake up, here's a puzzle to start the day." kinda thing. 10:43
Huh. CTAN has updated its look. 10:44
El_Che DrForr: I see you left Perl 6 for Origami 6 10:45
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DrForr Well, to be brutally honest I kind of checked out for a few months from the whole programming thing. 10:45
masak wander: maybe the Lisp/Scheme translation is "environment" 10:47
wander: though that to me comes off as slightly more immutable in tone
El_Che DrForr: sounds like a good idea to me to do that from time to time
DrForr I didn't so much leave as put things on a temporary hiatus. 10:50
. o ( Is there any other kind of hiatus?... ) 10:54
scimon I do that once in a while. 10:55
Heck I did that for about 5 years after I did my degree.
DrForr checks out tufte-latex.tex.
scimon (Then I found Perl and decided I liked programming again)
raschipi wander: Lexpad is the "local notepad"
wander thanks, I will regard it as "the symbol table for a particular lexical scope" 10:59
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wander as translation, either keep 'lexpad' or use '符号表' which stands for 'symbol table', explain perlist use the term 'lexpad' and the why 11:01
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raschipi It's not the only symbol table, mind you. 11:04
It's difficult to capture the way it's goes away at runtime in languages other than English.
wander huh 11:10
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wander well I've just seen that p6 has package, module, class and lexpad as symbol table 11:17
searching term 'lexpad' on design.perl6.org/S02.html 11:18
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raschipi That's out of date, lexpads aren't available as stashes. 11:20
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wander ok 11:23
we don't use lexpad to look up a dynamic variable, do we? 11:24
jnthn Yes, we do
my $*FOO is just a lexical named $*FOO and also marked with the `is dynamic` trait 11:25
wander huh
jnthn That's why it's declared with my
Whatever you might choose to call it, though, the key thing to remember is that - like with objects - there's a kind of "instantiation" that goes on. When you enter a new scope, you get fresh storage. 11:26
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wander that's it 11:27
jnthn These instances are chained in two ways: by outer and by caller. Lexical variable lookups are done by following outers. Dynamic variable lookups ($*FOO) are done by following callers
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wander I know this principle, but forget both of them use symbol table. 11:29
jnthn There's also packages, which are different 11:30
In that packages really *do* use a Hash and you can add what you want whenever you want
Whereas the lexpad's keys are fixed at compile time
Meaning we can store them and access them in a more efficient way 11:31
scimon m: multi f( Int $f, Int $b ) { return $f ** $b };multi f( *@p ) { sub ( *@r ) { f( |@p, |@r ) } };my &f2 = f(2);say &f2(3); 11:32
camelia 8
scimon So... currying is not too hard to do.
wander m: $Foo::Bar::baz = 42; say $Foo::Bar::baz; 11:33
camelia 42
wander yes, no 'my'
jnthn scimon: See also docs.perl6.org/routine/assuming :) 11:37
scimon jnthn: looking 11:38
Trying to work out if there's a way of doing multi f is curried( Sig ) { ... } and the is curried handles the extras. 11:40
Also debating writing an advent article. (Probably not on that). 11:43
jnthn m: multi m($a, $b) { say $a + $b }; multi m(*@curry) { &m.assuming(|@curry) }; m(3)(39)
camelia 42
masak m: sub g { say $*d }; my $*d = "outer"; g() { g(); { my $*d = "inner"; g() } }
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Unexpected block in infix position (missing statement control word before the expression?)
at <tmp>:1
------> 3sub g { say $*d }; my $*d = "outer"; g()7⏏5 { g(); { my $*d = "inner"; g() } }
…
masak m: sub g { say $*d }; my $*d = "outer"; g(); { g(); { my $*d = "inner"; g() } } 11:44
camelia outer
outer
inner
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masak jnthn: there's some sense in which that second `g()` call and the dynamic lookup in it also relies on the outer chain... 11:44
masak .oO( who? nitpicking? me? ) 11:45
lizmat . 11:46
yoleaux 00:09Z <AlexDaniel> lizmat: gist.github.com/AlexDaniel/33dbe18...707a3914ff
lizmat AlexDaniel++
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scimon That is very neat. 12:00
DrForr Oo, ticket tracking... 12:01
perlawhirl i know i'm not very active in the community, but looking at ticket updates like that, and the monthly changelogs, reminds me how much effort all you contributers put into this thing we all love 12:05
I know one of Perl 6's core principles is to torture the implementor on behalf of the users... but I'd also like to THANK all the contributers, on behalf of the users. amazing job everyone 12:06
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camelia ( no output )
DrForr "1 and done"... need to figure out a way to sneak that in somewhere. 12:07
perlawhirl DrForr: are you thinking about ryn1x's question about "stopping" a promise? 12:09
DrForr I wouldn't call it "thinking", more of "read that line of code and that tidbit popped in my head." 12:10
perlawhirl if their task takes place in a promise, what if you just take a vow to a second promise, then can await anyof
when you want to stop it, you break the vow
it should stop the other one, right?
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masak perlawhirl: may I interest you in docs.perl6.org/type/Promise#method_anyof ? 12:12
perlawhirl yeah, that's what i'm thinking
he was in here earlier asking about "killing" a promise. no one else was on, so i tried to help, but i was at work and couln't give it a lot of thought
scimon So I did write a module to give you timed promises you can break externally. 12:13
perlawhirl but now that i think about it, anyof would work fine, just break a vow of a promise in the anyof
masak scimon: there was a discussion on the web about cancelable promises, which seemed (to me) to conclude that promises oughtn't be cancelable from the outside 12:14
scimon I think in general they shouldn't be.
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scimon But sometimes you might want to set a timeout that you want to be able to cancel if you're done in time. 12:14
masak scimon: would you recommend your module over Promise.anyof, and if so, why? :)
scimon Probably not. 12:15
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masak please understand me right. I'm definitely not out to criticize anyone or anything. I'm mostly curious about the arguments themselves, in order to write better and more robust software. 12:15
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scimon Oh yeah. I'm currently on a suger crash and eating my lunch. 12:16
masak :)
masak .oO( Sugar Crash Saga )
DrForr At least we didn't have those toppings with a thin cupcake substrate this year. 12:17
SmokeMachine The anyof do not cancel the promise, but the done of a react block does... 12:18
scimon So my use case is I want to send a message to a supply in X seconds (X may be < 1). But I don't want to send the message if another event occurs in that time, in that case I want to queue up a new message to send.
masak SmokeMachine: yeah, was thinking the same.
scimon So I wrote Timer::Breakable as a simple wrapper for that. 12:19
(Well I wrote a thing and moritz said, why not make it a module? So I did. I blame him).
moritz feels blamed
scimon :D
masak found it at modules.perl6.org/dist/Timer::Break...pan:SCIMON
scimon That's the bunny. 12:20
moritz will I be able to live with that feeling? Find out at 11
masak I see we have now stopped listing all the modules on modules.perl6.org/
nice milestone
scimon It's REALLY simple. And probably could be better.
moritz masak: perlpunks.de/paste/show/5a1998d5.b53.8b number of modules by source
masak whoa 12:21
...how long was I asleep? o.O
66 + 896 + 3... that's almost 12:22
A MILLION MODULES
wo-hoo! \o/
SmokeMachine We had the same discussion some days ago: irclog.perlgeek.de/perl6/2017-11-04#i_15401344
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masak ah, here's getify's take on uncancelable promises: github.com/getify/You-Dont-Know-JS...cancelable 12:26
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scimon Timer::Breakable isn't actually cancelling anything. It's just wrapping the block passed to Promise.in() with a check to see if the code still needs run. So if you stop it the internal promise still runs but does nothing.... this is probably a really bad idea. 12:29
I often have really bad ideas.
masak ooh
no, that sounds like a great idea
actually, let me rephrase that:
that sounds like what I would suggest doing :) 12:30
so at worst we're both equally bad :P
scimon Oh well... that's what it does.
masak goes to read the source code 12:31
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scimon There's a bit of funkiness to handle race conditions. And I need to add some more tests. 12:31
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raschipi masak: to get a list of all modules, just click 'Search' with the search field empty. 12:33
masak ooh
funnily enough, if I click "I'm feeling lucky" with the search field empty, I'm taken to perl6/doc
maybe that's someone trying to tell me something, I dunno 12:34
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moritz probably the module with the most stars on github 13:07
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wander can we define an integer with fixed bits? that is, sth like 'my Int[10] $a = 2; # 0 000 000 010' thus '+^$a' becomes 1 111 111 010 13:44
m: my Int $a = 2; say $a; say +^$a;
camelia 2
-3
wander m: say (-3).base(2)
camelia -11
timotimo we have support for 8, 16, 32, and 64 bit integers 13:45
alexk6 m: say class :: { has uint8 $.x }.new(:x(128)) == 128 13:46
camelia Cannot resolve caller Numeric(<anon|63491728>: ); none of these signatures match:
(Mu:U \v: *%_)
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
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geekosaur In theory it would be possible to define such a type. In practice, you need an unsigned type, and there's some nqp level issues that make them kinda iffy (in particular, nqp doesn;t always know when to generate int vs. uint ops) 13:46
scimon So I just spotted a REALLY dumb error in my slides from Saturday. 13:47
alexk6 m: my $c = class :: { has uint8 $.x is rw }.new; $c.x = 128; say $c.x; 13:48
camelia -128
geekosaur that'd be an example of the nqp issue I mentioned :)
I think there's an opeb bug for it, but fixing it is kinda difficult
*open
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alexk6 geekosaur: so uint is currently treated as int ? 13:53
geekosaur in some circumstances
iirc the specific issue here is that, while at bit level it doesn;t matter whether the type is int or uint, by the time say gets to it the nqp codegen for say can't see that it's uint so it generates code to print it signed 13:54
timotimo aye, native integers are passed around as "the actual value" and their size and signedness only exists as information in the static frame where the variable is declared 13:55
raschipi moritz: yes, the lucky button will send you to the highest rated module on github 13:56
alexk6 m: my $c = class :: { has uint8 $.x is rw }.new; $c.x = 128; say $c.x == 128; say $c.x == -128;
camelia False
True
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alexk6 the problem seems not to be the codgen for say 13:57
timotimo yes, our support for unsigned ints is rather rough 13:58
geekosaur oh, that's a different one, yes, I missed the assignment. That's still the same issue in a different place though, it's codegenning for signed and possinbly for more than 8 bits (same basic issue, it's not able to see the type restriction) 14:00
I *think* the basic issue is if something goes through an operation that is on a wider type that is inherited by narrower ones, only the wider type is "seen" --- I think for performance reasons, because having to search the whole inheritance tree every time would be very slow 14:01
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geekosaur so if you go through a method (including an internal one) which has a type annotation of "Any" then the Any candidate gets used instead of the narrower one 14:02
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alexk6 m: my $c = class :: { has uint8 $.x}.new; $c.^attributes[0].set_value($c,128); say $c.x == -128; 14:02
camelia True
geekosaur there's an open bug about that one to (relating to someone wanting .gist to work through inheritance when .say-ing a collection type, iirc) 14:03
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wander m: class A { method f { say "a.f" } }; class B is A { multi method f(Int $a) { nextsame }; multi method f(Str $a) { nextsame } }; say B.new.f: 42; 14:06
camelia Nil
wander m: class A { method f { say "a.f" } }; class B is A { multi method f(Int $a) { nextsame } }; say B.new.f: 42; 14:07
camelia Nil
wander m: class A { method f { say "a.f" } }; class B is A { method f(Int $a) { nextsame } }; say B.new.f: 42;
camelia Too many positionals passed; expected 1 argument but got 2
in method f at <tmp> line 1
in method f at <tmp> line 1
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
wander m: class A { method f { say "a.f" } }; class B is A { method f(Int $a) { nextwith() } }; say B.new.f: 42; 14:08
camelia a.f
True
wander m: class A { method f(Int $a) { say "a.f" } }; class B is A { multi method f(Int $a) { nextsame }; multi method f(Str $a) { nextsame } }; say B.new.f: 42;
camelia Nil
wander m: class A { method f(Int $a) { say "a.f" } }; class B is A { multi method f(Int $a) { say "b.f1"; nextsame }; multi method f(Str $a) { say "b.f2"; nextsame } }; say B.new.f: 42; 14:09
camelia b.f1
Nil
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wander class A { multi method f(Int $a) { say "a.f" } }; class B is A { multi method f(Int $a) { say "b.f1"; nextsame }; multi method f(Str $a) { say "b.f2"; nextsame } }; say B.new.f: 42; 14:12
m: class A { multi method f(Int $a) { say "a.f" } }; class B is A { multi method f(Int $a) { say "b.f1"; nextsame }; multi method f(Str $a) { say "b.f2"; nextsame } }; say B.new.f: 42;
camelia b.f1
a.f
True
lizmat dev.to/jj/the-lion-and-the-butterf...-camel-a8b
ZzZombo wander, are you aware about the fact you can query camelia privately? 14:13
wander sorry, how? 14:14
ZzZombo `/query camelia`
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wander got it, sorry for these "garbages" 14:16
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timotimo lizmat: "perl 6 is probably better right now, but perl 5 is in for major changes very soon that will make it faster and better", huh? did that get reversed? :D 14:19
lizmat you should probably ask JJ feels like some spanish / english fast friends have entered the blog post 14:20
lizmat about to commute to AmsterdamX
timotimo only the fastest of friends 14:21
geekosaur agreed. there's not only that but some other places with decidedly odd English phrasing 14:22
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geekosaur I should try to re-read it with my Spanish hat on (although it's both a bit dusty and not very tall...) 14:22
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wander gist.github.com/W4anD0eR96/6b7e72c...cf7a87e498 14:33
could i use correct re-dispatch keyword to call these function in order 2->1->0 14:34
AlexDaniel wow folks, thank you for all the feedback. I guess it's time to make a bot for it… 14:36
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SmokeMachine AlexDaniel: sorry, but make a bot for what? 14:44
AlexDaniel SmokeMachine: github.com/perl6/whateverable/issues/256 14:45
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raschipi AlexDaniel: Make it generate unicode bar activity graphs because everyone love those. 15:07
AlexDaniel raschipi: probably not today, but I filed this: github.com/perl6/whateverable/issues/263 15:12
SmokeMachine AlexDaniel: it looks a good idea! but, just because Im curious: how will it get the Half-resolved (tests needed)? 15:13
AlexDaniel SmokeMachine: it already does (these gists are generated by a script). It looks at tags and labels
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SmokeMachine hum... great! 15:14
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AlexDaniel m: sub foo() { use fatal; 5 + Nil; 42 }; foo 15:17
camelia Use of Nil in numeric context
in sub foo at <tmp> line 1
AlexDaniel m: sub foo() { use fatal; 5 + Nil; 42 }; foo; say 42
camelia Use of Nil in numeric context
42
in sub foo at <tmp> line 1
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AlexDaniel m: sub foo() { use fatal; 5 + Nil; 42 }; say foo; say 50 15:19
camelia Use of Nil in numeric context
42
50
in sub foo at <tmp> line 1
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AlexDaniel ok 15:20
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jnthn m: say (5 + Nil).WHAT 15:21
camelia Use of Nil in numeric context
(Int)
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
jnthn use fatal; is about Failure
4 + Nil warns, not fails
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timotimo m: CONTROL { die "oh no!" }; say (5 + Nil).WHAT 15:21
camelia oh no!
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
jnthn quietly will suppress that
AlexDaniel yeah, I see it now
thanks!
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poohman hello all, I posted this question yesterday but did not try it. Today I am trying it and am having problems. How can I use a lazy list as a token? 15:47
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poohman token day {[1 ... 31]} 15:48
paste.gnome.org/ptnlwchgz 15:53
something like this
geekosaur [] means something different in perl 6 regex (non-capturing group). 15:54
poohman ok 15:55
geekosaur m: grammar Foo { my @day = [1 ... 31]; token day { @day }; token TOP { <day> }; }; say Foo.parse("4") 15:56
camelia ｢4｣
day => ｢4｣
geekosaur or 15:57
poohman ja
geekosaur m: grammar Foo { token day { <{ [ 1 ... 31 ] }> }; token TOP { <day> }; }; say Foo.parse("30")
camelia ｢30｣
day => ｢30｣
geekosaur where the <{ ... }> construct lets you specify an arbitrary perl 6 expression
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poohman nice - thanks 15:58
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faraco Hi guys. Do you know any module skeleton builder/initializer out there for Perl6? I forgot the name of the module I've used past months ago. 16:01
yoleaux 1 Oct 2017 13:08Z <Zoffix> faraco: One of your META urls in ecosystem is a 404. Couldn't see if it was renamed to something else, so I removed it: github.com/perl6/ecosystem/commit/1a2d8287fe
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faraco Ehh, nevermind. I just found. 16:03
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moritz there's mi6 and ddt 16:22
if I remember correctly
poohman hello how should I form my tokens so that all the tokens within the tokens are shown in the tree when using Grammar::Debugger 16:26
?
token frame {\s*<top_left>\s*\v\s*<date_or_time>\s*\v+'</TD>'\v+<top_left>\v+} 16:27
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poohman for example - when the frame token is resolved it shows the top_left token but not the date_or_time - instead only a star 16:28
paste.gnome.org/pjsggk9z5
timotimo it doesn't show date_or_time because it has no reason to even call it; top_left already failed 16:29
poohman paste.gnome.org/p0lbfwesv 16:30
here top_left passed
timotimo OK, but it didn't reach date_or_time, so probably so \v in between the two?
probably no \v in between i mean 16:31
or more than one
poohman token frame {\s*<top_left>\s*\v\s*<date_or_time>\s*\v+'</TD>'\v+<top_left>\v+}
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geekosaur poohman, the point here is nothing is special about top_left or number of tokens or whatever 16:31
if it fails at some point,m the rest of the token it's working on doesn't show 16:32
so if it doesnt mention date_or_time then *it failed parse before that*
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poohman ah ok 16:32
Can multiple lines be matched using \n or \v ?? 16:33
because it seems to take each line separately
geekosaur "\v matches a single vertical whitespace character" 16:35
timotimo \v will only match a single character of vertical whitespace
geekosaur and \n matches exactly one notional newline (which here looks like \r\n)
poohman ok - I did use \v* when there were multiple lines 16:36
but let me have a look
geekosaur you might mean \v+ instead (is 0 newlines valid?)
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geekosaur anuyway if it's \r\n newlines (network or windows style) then \v would match only the \r and parse fails at the \n 16:37
it doesn;t do magic newline, like \n does, at least according tot he docs
poohman its a http POST response - so maybe I need to have look at \r 16:38
geekosaur I got the \r from the final parse output
but if it's strictly HTTP compliant than a "newline" is the sequence \r\n. perl 6's \n will match that sequence as a single "character" 16:39
I would not in fact use \v at all because the HTTP spec does not allow anything but newlines; \v also matches vertical tab and form feed, among others, but those are not part of the HTTP spec 16:40
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geekosaur well, they will be output but I don't think they count here; in an HTTP context you want \s+ when those are valid, I think 16:41
poohman ok - need to search for this \r - i dont see it in the response I have
geekosaur end of lines 13 and 15 in your paste
poohman no I saw that there
but in the response I meant
geekosaur so why do you think that's not related?
the sequnece \r\n is an HTTP protocol newline 16:42
poohman no no I noticed the \r after you mentioned it - but I dont notice it in the response im using to write the grammar for
ah ok
geekosaur if a text file on unix contains \n, it will be sent over HTTP as \r\n if the web server is strictly compliant 16:43
(some are not)
poohman paste.gnome.org/ptommlcbx
that is what I saw
and so wrote the grammar for it
geekosaur right, the \r\n is in here just a "new line" and sends you to line 2
you can;t precisely trust what you see in an editor or etc.; what goes over the wire may be different 16:44
poohman any tips what editor or tool I can use to see this \r for example 16:45
geekosaur because if it's sent from unix to windows you do not want it to send a unix ^J as literal ^J (or what the trace shows as \n), windows programs tend not to understand that. it needs to be turned into ^M^J (or what the trace shows as \r\n)
and the receiver will convert as necessary to local newline format
poohman ok
[Coke] I often use "vi -b" for quick double checks on that sort of thing. 16:46
poohman let me check with vim
geekosaur I have been known to captire to a file and LANG=C od -c (or hexdump if it's installed) 16:47
the LANG=C keeps the program from being too clever about unicode sequences and such
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geekosaur which can obscure the actual content 16:47
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poohman vim -b gives ^M for \r\n 16:50
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geekosaur rigjhtm shows the ^M as a normal char and then goes to the next line on \n 16:52
typical for unix
there's likely a mode to switch it to windows line mode, in which case the ^M would no longer show
(or with ":set list" it would show ^M$ where the $ means it saw a unix newline or \n) 16:53
vim should collor both specially to distinguish from normal file content
*color both
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poohman ok 16:55
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poohman_ but the Grammar::Debugger showed - ill look more closely at the Debuggers output 16:57
thanks a lot geekoaur
geekosaur
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poohman_ :wq 16:58
sorry
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geekosaur it failed frame at \v, then went on to not_comp and matched the whole line 16:59
I think you haad a paste with the actual grammar in it? not seeing it in scrollback for some reason
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geekosaur oh, found it 16:59
poohman paste.gnome.org/pjsggk9z5 17:00
geekosaur right, so frame failed and record tried not_comp which ate the whole line (\V*\v)
poohman no that one
geekosaur huh?
poohman i had pasted the wrong link 17:01
raschipi dos2unix -i can show what the newlines look like.
poohman paste.gnome.org/p4hxwflkz
this was the Grammar 17:02
geekosaur this time oit failed in top_left, probably because frame failed in top_left the first time and failed through to not_comp, which ate the first line. it then tried to parse the next line but that contains the rest of the record it failed in
so now the parse fails trying to parse the record start again, from the wrong place
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geekosaur you probably want to reconsider how the parser works if you need it to be smarter about resynching 17:02
perlpilot poohman: you might want to consider getting www.apress.com/us/book/9781484232279 if you haven't already ordered it. 17:04
poohman just trying stuff out - but am interested in what you are saying - though I have no idea what you mena by it
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perlpilot (it won't help immediately, but it will help if you intend on doing grammars and such in the future) 17:04
poohman didnt know this was out already 17:05
have the think perl 6 one
geekosaur what I mean is, once the parse has failed on the first line, it treats the next line --- which is part of the intended record --- as the start of a new record. which is why the subsequent parse fails on the date when it is expecting a top_left
if you want to have parse failure recover from errors like that, you need to be able to scan ahead for the next start of record and skip the garbage. not_comp is not currently smart enough to do this 17:06
but, in fact, here I would rearrange the grammar such that, if top_left succeeds (meaning start of record), I have a custom fallback in frame for if some part of the rest of the frame fails 17:07
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geekosaur oh, hm, I see, you tried to go on to the date part, this is not the same gramar you were using before 17:07
you commented out the old frame and made a new one
poohman hmm I was searching for grammars considering multiple lines - more idiomatic you know - not a lot of examples 17:08
started of "top down" - but with the debugger it is easier "bottom up" so made some changes 17:09
its almost the same code - except for the addition of \r i guess 17:10
i mean from wat I pasted earlier
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perlpilot poohman: Your time token won't match like you want. 17:11
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poohman ill follow ur advise and try \r\n 17:11
\r\v work 17:12
geekosaur yes because it matches the ^J only
the point is \v will match \r OR \n but not the combination \r\n
poohman havent got so far perlpilot 17:13
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geekosaur it weill also match \f, \v character (vertical tab), and some other things you likely do not intend 17:13
I would not use \v unless I knew those were also valid characters in context
poohman ok
geekosaur don't try to treat it as a smart newline, in other words
poohman i wrote a grammar for some pdf text 6 months back and remember using a lot of \v 17:14
so the habit
will break it
let me look at the code again perlpilot - for the time token 17:17
oh ja geekosaur did point out the coorect use of <{ ... }> 17:18
forgot it for the time token 17:19
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poohman {<{[0 ... 23].fmt('%02d')}>} 17:20
will that work??
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geekosaur I don't think so; it'd stringify the sequence generated by [0 ... 23], then try to format that string as anumber (and the number it used would probably be 0) 17:21
m: say [0 ... 23]».fmt('%02d') 17:22
camelia [00 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23]
ctilmes In docs.perl6.org/language/control#LABELs "while, until, and for loops can all take a label" should that also include "loop" itself?
geekosaur notice the hyper operator so it appliies the .fmt to the things inside the list instead of the list itself
perlpilot m: say [0 .. 23].fmt('%02d');
camelia 00 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23
perlpilot m: dd [0 .. 23].fmt('%02d'); # probably more instructive 17:23
camelia "00 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23"
perlpilot lunch &
poohman m: [0 ..23]>>.fmt('%02d') 17:24
camelia ( no output )
timotimo geekosaur: fmt on lists formats the individual elements and joins them with whatever you pass as the second argument (a single space by default)
no need for the hyper operator here
geekosaur oh, whoops
poohman how do you even type the hyperoperator? 17:26
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moritz AltGr+x / AltGr+y on my keyboard 17:28
docs.perl6.org/language/unicode_entry
ilmari or compose > > / compose < <
geekosaur note that you can also use the long form which si just >>
rather than the fancy unicode
ilmari altgr-z / altgr-x here
moritz yeah, the German keyboard has y and z swapped 17:30
ilmari which one is it that has q and a swapped? french? 17:31
and w and z
azerty
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poohman ok - people thanks for all the help - next to sleep - later bye 17:39
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azawawi hi 17:44
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azawawi hears a faint echo in the distance 17:59
teatime You are in a maze of twisty little array containers, all alike. 18:01
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synopsebot Link: doc.perl6.org/type/IO/Handle
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azawawi jnthn: ping 18:08
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azawawi .tell jnthn regarding your .oO( Who wants to write Inline::Go? :P ) # New experimental pet project github.com/azawawi/perl6-inline-go (Inline::Go) :) 18:20
yoleaux azawawi: I'll pass your message to jnthn.
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Add Inline::Go to ecosystem
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azawawi Now the fun part begins from Inline::Go, Grammar::Go ... i started with some simple function regexes to get exported Go functions and basic go-2-p6 type mapping. go function nativecall wrapper is added to current package via an evil EVAL :) 18:38
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lizmat and another Perl 6 Weekly hits the Net: p6weekly.wordpress.com/2017/11/27/...ity-first/ 18:46
perlpilot azawawi++ nice 18:47
timotimo lizmat: there's a ". " in front of "An effort well worth supporting!" that looks strange
lizmat: and there seems to be no link to jnthn's blog post 18:48
teatime lizmat: awesome thank you
perlpilot lizmat++ cool weekly. I used to think that at some point there would be nothing interesting to say, but I'm happy that that day (if it comes) still seems to be far off. 18:50
lizmat timotimo++ # fixed and fixed 18:51
timotimo lizmat++
AlexDaniel lizmat++ 18:52
timotimo AlexDaniel: what is "regex bug on custom" supposed to mean? :P 18:55
ah, it turned <ws> into "" because "oh no, html!" 18:56
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azawawi perlpilot: thanks 18:57
AlexDaniel timotimo:
robertle anyone knows what happened to 6.d ?? 18:58
timotimo i wonder if the doc builds should set RAKUDO_POD6_TABLE_DEBUG?
AlexDaniel timotimo: at first I thought it's about the changelog… the gist I can at least edit :)
timotimo :)
AlexDaniel timotimo: but thanks, noted. I'm currently moving it to whateverable, I think there was a helper function somewhere to escape stuff… 18:59
robertle: there's 6.d-prep repo with some notes: github.com/perl6/6.d-prep
robertle: we will get there sooner or later (hopefully sooner) 19:00
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El_Che lizmat: " it was an excellent event with a lot of high quality Rakudo Perl 6 and Pumpking Perl 5 talks" 19:07
lizmat: Pumpking Perl? Is it official -ish?
moritz DrForr: re theperlfisher.blogspot.de/2017/11/t...hings.html I'd go so far as to put the sub roundtrip into the subtest 19:08
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AlexDaniel El_Che: well, that's the way all p6weeklies are written 19:18
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El_Che AlexDaniel: ok, I didn't noticed it before 19:19
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AlexDani` squashable6: next 20:18
squashable6 AlexDani`, ⚠🍕 Next SQUASHathon in 3 days and ≈13 hours (2017-12-02 UTC-12⌁UTC+14). See github.com/rakudo/rakudo/wiki/Mont...Squash-Day
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jnthn azawawi: Interesting. :) 20:30
I can't actually remember why I was asking though ;-)
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azawawi jnthn: irclog.perlgeek.de/perl6/2015-11-28#i_11617570 :) 20:31
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jnthn That was 2 years ago :) 20:33
No wonder I didn't remember :P
teatime The internet never forgets. 20:34
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azawawi :) 20:35
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azawawi jnthn: I was learning Go and said why not make Inline::Go to learn it better and started some research on previous work/comments 20:37
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azawawi golang.org/ref/spec#Semicolons # Interesting 20:40
DrForr .tell lizmat theperlfisher.blogspot.cz/2017/11/t...hings.html I think the link got missed in the P6W. 20:41
yoleaux DrForr: I'll pass your message to lizmat.
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Add Acme::Advent::Highlighter to eco

Preprocessor for Perl 6 Advent Articles, with syntax highlighter. Saves the trouble of not having to deal with broken escapes in code blocks in Wordpress and provides syntax-highlights, as a cherry on top:
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azawawi is feeding Go EBNF grammar into Perl6 grammars... simply brilliant (little modifications) 21:20
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AlexDaniel o_o 21:23
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Pankaj Hi, Can anyone help me with Perl Data Language like features in Perl6 21:41
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moritz Pankaj: if you ask a specific question, maybe somebody can help 21:48
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Pankaj @moritz - How can I read an image file in Perl6 (like we do it in PDL)? 21:51
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yon hello! 23:08
Is anyone there?
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raschipi went away, didn't even wait a minute. 23:09
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geekosaur instant gratification is alive and well and living on the internet 23:11
azawawi :)
how do you workaround a null regex (e.g. 'rule EmptyStmt { }') ? 23:13
AlexDaniel .tell yon “Is anyone there?” Yes.
yoleaux AlexDaniel: I'll pass your message to yon.
AlexDaniel :)
geekosaur um. "workaround"? 23:14
azawawi kinda sleepy :)
geekosaur that makes at least two of is. (have had about 3 hours of sleep in the past 48 hours, sigh)
AlexDaniel azawawi: what a wonderful question :D 23:15
There has to be a simple answer
azawawi 42? :)
jnthn <?> 23:16
''
azawawi thanks
jnthn
.oO( I want instant gratification to end right now! ;) )
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azawawi 340 lines and counting in the Go Grammar...
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b2gills I've thought about creating a greeting bot that will respond to someone it hasn't seen before if no-one responds in a short time-frame. 23:26
teatime interesting. 23:27
timotimo #krita has one of those - it's extremely frustrating to see the sheer amount of people popping in to ask a question and immediately leaving
geekosaur I'm kinda unfond of welcomebots
there are times when they can be appropriate, but I think we strive for a higher standard here
timotimo but #krita has a different target audience
teatime I like the way b2gills describes it though 23:28
I like conservative, quieter bots 23:29
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azawawi github.com/azawawi/perl6-inline-go...rammar.pm6 # so far... will continue working on it tomorrow hopefully. thanks :) 23:43
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azawawi good night & 23:45
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b2gills We do have a several hour time-frame when almost no-one is online, and occasionally new people are here talking to no-one. 23:53
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