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lucasb ($x.defined ?? ($x.Str // 'default') !! 'default') 00:14
^^ How do I simplify this? 00:15
I was doing $x // 'default'
but then decided to call .Str: $x.Str // 'default' 00:16
leont ($x // 'default').Str
lucasb what if the return value of .Str is undefined?
I wanted something like the method version of the "with" statement
$x.with.Str // 'default'
ah 00:17
($x//Nil).Str // 'default' 00:18
hm, don't look good :)
leont You want a Maybe Monad 00:19
lucasb maybe 00:20
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lucasb nevermind, my idea wouldn't work 00:25
I was thinking Nil.Str would return propagating Nil 00:26
but it coerces to empty string and emits a warning
tobs lucasb: try ($x andthen .Str) orelse 'default' 00:27
and the warning can be suppressed with a `quietly`
lucasb tobs: worked smooth! thanks 00:29
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lucasb now the embarrassing moment, it was for this: gist.github.com/lucasbuchala/ae5d6...543a11bcf3 00:33
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lucasb to test if my classes are calling the corrects .gist/.Str/.perl methods, while developing 00:34
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tobs lucasb: it seems that the parentheses around andthen are not necessary 00:39
lucasb correct 00:40
tobs ah, it has tighter precedence
than orelse 00:41
lucasb hmm, "dd" sends the output to STDERR 00:44
m: .say for class { method list { 1..3 } }.item 01:03
camelia 1
2
3
lucasb just because I put a "list" method in 01:04
my class, it made the class iterable?
timotimo weird
lucasb and not even .item will help in this situation?
does the concept of itemized vs non-itemized applies to arbitrary user-defined classes or only to core data structures like lists, arrays and hashes? 01:05
timotimo itemizing puts the value into a scalar container 01:06
that's what's supposed to itemize it
lucasb ah, so no special flag in the class :) 01:07
just wrap in a scalar
timotimo right 01:08
which is why binding can often get you around itemization even when you have a $-sigiled var
lucasb thanks timotimo 01:09
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buggable New CPAN upload: Uzu-0.2.4.tar.gz by SACOMO cpan.metacpan.org/authors/id/S/SA/...2.4.tar.gz 01:38
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Geth ecosystem: scmorrison++ created pull request #419:
Remove Uzu, now available on CPAN		 02:02
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SmokeMachine jnthn, lizmat: now Im thinking on something like this: gist.github.com/FCO/87d7645286d7f8...e76514a599 02:16
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SmokeMachine Maybe I should do a “register-model” that would receive a schema name and a file... and when I `use` the schema name it would return a CompUnit with every file registered with that name concated... 02:30
But my question is: the models should de resources? They can’t compile... 02:31
Not alone
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Xliff \o 02:41
SmokeMachine Hi!
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Xliff Hi, SM! 02:41
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jmerelo Hi 06:45
The Perl 6 06:46
Advent Calendar
Schedule looks a little tiny bit better, but there are still slots to fill github.com/perl6/mu/blob/master/mi...8/schedule
So please get yourself a slot, think about some topic, and start banging away at the keyboard...
holyghost jmerelo: hello, I'll put something for Mathx-Stat as Zoffix suggested on it in january. I'm don't have good english though 06:54
s/I'm/I
jmerelo holyghost: you can post it for reviewing some time in advance. Maybe in your own module's repo. 06:56
You can even include it as documentation.
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holyghost ok, I'll do my best, so X-mas-advent wise ? 06:57
jmerelo right
holyghost ok
I'll try to give something on with it 06:58
a present from a perl6er
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holyghost so there's not much choice and probably the same people write all the time I guess 06:59
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holyghost I have 3 modules, so should write 3 advents ... 07:00
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holyghost During the weekend I can help out 07:01
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Geth doc: f1d4ae3216 | (JJ Merelo)++ | doc/Language/py-nutshell.pod6
Minor changes and reflow
 07:14
doc: 2c1c964942 | (JJ Merelo)++ | doc/Language/operators.pod6
Reflow and reformatting
synopsebot_ Link: doc.perl6.org/language/py-nutshell
Link: doc.perl6.org/language/operators
doc: cfb6e81645 | (JJ Merelo)++ | doc/Type/Test.pod6
Eliminates non-existing variable

Also some reflow, some additional comments, overall closes #2466
synopsebot_ Link: doc.perl6.org/type/Test
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Geth ecosystem: 5426af2fe4 | (Sam Morrison)++ | 2 files
Remove Uzu, now available on CPAN
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ecosystem: 6ee2317221 | (Sam Morrison)++ | .travis/testpackagemeta.pl
revert permissions
ecosystem: 90b18fe782 | (Juan Julián Merelo Guervós)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | META.list
Merge pull request #419 from scmorrison/master

Remove Uzu, now available on CPAN
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scimon So after all my complaining about Module documentation I was alerted to a thing of beauty. Uzu is lovely. 09:46
masak what's Uzu? 09:52
masak .oO( nothing much, what's uzu with you? ) :P 09:53
sacomo scimon, thanks. uzu is a my project, still lots of work to do, but it has a lot of features if you are looking for a static site generator. 09:54
scimon A) I love static site generators B) It LOVE modules with this much documentation. 10:10
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lizmat weekly: opensource.com/article/18/11/failu...ion-perl-6 10:14
notable6 lizmat, Noted!
sacomo lizmat, great article. thanks for introducing me to `quietly`, I am going to start using that. 10:16
scimon, me too. I am working on some big updates / additions for uzu. 10:17
SmokeMachine . 10:21
yoleaux 07:07Z <lizmat> SmokeMachine: not sure, and no time to look at as commuting to London
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SmokeMachine .tell lizmat very good article! Would it worth to tell that currently custom specialization of X::Control won’t be catched by a CONTROL phaser but will by a CATCH? 11:53
yoleaux SmokeMachine: I'll pass your message to lizmat.
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DuMu Hello folks, I'm trying to build Rakudo Perl 6 on Cygwin. Everything seems fine until I get to `src/platform/win32/mmap.c` in the MoarVM folder. Then, I get loads of errors. 12:18
timotimo buggable: mingw 12:19
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timotimo er 12:19
buggable: cygwin
isn't that our factoid bot
huggable: cygwin
huggable timotimo, nothing found
AlexDaniel too many bots huh
timotimo it's probably wrong to use the win32 platform code on cygwin?
DuMu I've tried loading some of the MinGW modules in Cygwin to get gcc working, that seems to help a bit...
could be 12:20
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DuMu how can I stop it from being configured by Configure.pl? 12:20
(the win32 stuff that is)
timotimo dunno, the build system scares me
DuMu :D
ouch
perhaps I should just erase the win32 dir before running make! 12:21
Summertime if in doubt, do it and then git reset head later
timotimo that will probably not work 12:22
DuMu aye
Summertime thats no fun though 12:23
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Summertime the probable thing would be an incorrect platform check? that shouldn't be the hardest thing to track down 12:28
I'd volunteer but no windows machines 12:29
if the issue is within Configure.pl, the two main tests are: $Config{archname} , $^O 12:38
but it also looks like you might be able to pass `--os=posix` and have that work 12:40
DuMu aha!!! 12:44
I hope so, because practically every line is `if ($^O eq 'MSWin32) ...`
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DuMu well, $^O on Cygwin returns ... "cygwin" 12:50
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Summertime yeah I think the use Config ; $Config{archname} might be the problematic one 13:03
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cygx DuMu: you can pass `--os cygwin` to Configure.pl, but I doubt it'll do the right thing 13:12
libuv used to be broken on cygwin, so there was no point in making the moarvm build work
DuMu that is too bad... 13:15
so... no Perl6 on Cygwin
seems you are right... " no idea how to build '3rdparty/libuv/libuv.a' " 13:16
I passed "--os=posix"
cygx apparently, libuv works on cygwin nowadays (cf github.com/libuv/libuv/issues/2034 ) 13:20
so in principle, someone could add cygwin support to moarvm 13:21
DuMu: you could try building libuv seperately and then passing --has-libuv to Configure.pl 13:22
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DuMu Thanks @cygx! 13:37
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Geth doc: uzluisf++ created pull request #2467:
Change from list items to lower-level headings and whitespace		 13:42
uzl .seen jmerelo 13:43
yoleaux I saw jmerelo 06:57Z in #perl6: <jmerelo> right
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uzl .tell Hey, jmerelo! Could you please review this PR: github.com/perl6/doc/pull/2467? 13:45
yoleaux uzl: What kind of a name is "Hey,"?!
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uzl .tell Hey, jmerelo! Could you please review this PR: github.com/perl6/doc/pull/2467? 13:47
yoleaux uzl: What kind of a name is "Hey,"?!
uzl What? Is youleaux going mad? This is weird. 13:48
sena_kun uzl, format is ".tell $nickname "
uzl, can you look into a conflict? 13:50
it seems to me like a simple wrapping issue. And I personally like more sparse variant better. 13:51
uzl sena_kun: thanks! I wasn't even realizing it.
sena_kun uzl, you can use github interface if you fancy, it's quite nice imho. 13:52
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uzl sena_kun: it seems I didn't pull from upstream to collect all the latest changes. What should be the course action here? 13:56
sena_kun uzl, if you are using github editor, just remove obsolete part(with `====` things around it, leaving the whole section as it could look in master) and `Conflict is resolved` or something button. :) 13:57
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sena_kun uzl, exact button is `Mark as resolved`. 13:59
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uzl sena_kun: great! will do that. 13:59
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Geth doc/master: 4 commits pushed by (Luis F. Uceta)++, Altai-man++ 14:02
sena_kun uzl++
uzl sena_kun: thanks! ;-) 14:03
DuMu Aha, happily, libuv can be installed using the official Cygwin setup app!
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sena_kun m: subset A of Str; subset B of Str; multi f(A $a) { 'A'.say }; multi f(B $b) { 'B'.say }; my B $b = 'haha'; f($b); 14:12
camelia A
sena_kun is this a bug or I just want too much?
but
subset A of Str; subset B of Str; multi f(B $b) { 'B'.say }; multi f(A $a) { 'A'.say }; my A $a = 'haha'; f($a); 14:13
evalable6 B
sena_kun so it is sensitive to where `multi` method is in a file. :S
ooh, I see rt.perl.org/Public/Bug/Display.html?id=123577 14:16
jnthn Yes, subset types are tie-breakers, and first matching one wins 14:17
sena_kun I see 14:18
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sena_kun is there nothing I can do besides using a wrapper class? I am not particulary hesistant of it, just what if. 14:18
jnthn Values don't have subset types 14:19
They just might match them
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jnthn So "my A $a" is saying that what's stored into $a has to match the subset type 14:19
sena_kun ah, I see now.
jnthn The multi-dispatch works on the actual type; the declared type of the variable it happens to be stored in isn't relevant.
sena_kun well, then never mind, I'll use a wrapper, I guess. thanks. 14:20
jnthn np
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uzl .tell lizmat Great article! BTW, `say $foo;` doesn't throw a warning even when outside of the quietly block. I guess you meant to use `print`?. 14:37
yoleaux uzl: I'll pass your message to lizmat.
uzl .tell lizmat I also have a question about the article on containers: colabti.org/irclogger/irclogger_lo...11-20#l424 14:38
yoleaux uzl: I'll pass your message to lizmat.
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tbrowder___ .ask DrForr Can one of your modules be used to debug Rakudo NQP Grammar.nqp? 14:45
yoleaux tbrowder___: I'll pass your message to DrForr.
DuMu Still no luck building p6 on cygwin :( 14:48
Summertime don't have windows 10 for WSL use? 14:49
DuMu It is now failing here: cc -o moar -O -DNDEBUG -Wl,-rpath,"//home/ludov/rakudo/install/lib" src/main.o -L. -lmoar
WSL is ridiculously slow on this laptop
at least the Debian version is
Summertime damn
DuMu maybe it isn't too bad 14:50
I'll give it a shot. It would be great to have it on Cygwin though.
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DuMu I have it installed on Windows anyway, it's just a step down having to use cmd.exe as a shell! 14:53
Summertime hm, you'll still need to use cmd as your terminal, but, msys2 (iirc what the git installer auto-installs) will give you bash and I think interoperability with win32 programs 14:57
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DuMu Summertime: WSL seems to be using xterm 15:03
for me
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DuMu When I run `p6doc -f IO.say` in cmd, I am seeing stuff like this: "say Range; # OUTPUT: ┬½(Range)ÔÉñ┬╗" 15:05
Is that meant to be happening?
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tbrowder___ DrForr: ignore my question above—just revisiting yr perl parser answered it 15:17
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DuMu My MacBook correctly renders the chevrons in the p6docs. cmd.exe evidently isn't Unicode-aware. 15:30
SqrtNegInf I wonder if the behavior of the anonymous state variable here expected: 15:50
m: say "increments NOT {++$}" for ^3; say "increments OK " ~ ++$ for ^3;
camelia increments NOT 1
increments NOT 1
increments NOT 1
increments OK 1
increments OK 2
increments OK 3
SmokeMachine m: subset NotARole of Any where so *.^lookup: "required-method"; class A { method required-method {} }; multi bla(NotARole) { "not a role" }; multi bla($) {"anything else"}; say bla A; say bla 42 15:51
camelia not a role
anything else
SqrtNegInf Does interpolation in the string count as a separate 'lexical scope' (as per documentation)? I wouldn't think so, and at some point in the past both versions would increment. 15:52
SmokeMachine Does subset can be used as golang's interfaces? ^^ 15:53
I mean, like interfaces that bo not need to be "used" to be implemented... 15:54
was that the intention?
timotimo SqrtNegInf: every { } gets a lexical scope 15:57
SqrtNegInf: in order to do what you want there, you can use $($++) instead of {$++}
SqrtNegInf That did the trick, thanks. 15:58
timotimo YW 16:01
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Poohman hello all, im trying to install cro in my windows box using zef - but it fails because "tar p5star or unzip" is missing 16:14
moritz so, install tar or unzip? 16:15
Poohman are these dependencies to be installed using zef?
moritz no
Poohman or should they be installed separately
In windows? 16:16
moritz yes, I think so
Poohman tar.exe - hmmm - let me search 16:17
thanls
thanks 16:18
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Poohman moritz: p5tar seems to be a script which is a part of zef 16:30
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Poohman if I search for it using zef it refers back to zef 16:35
ill try to update zef and try
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loops Where would the difference between Map.new: (1,2) and Map.new(1,2) be found in the docs? 17:47
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loops Here's one little tidbit about "method call colon syntax", docs.perl6.org/language/syntax#Precedence_drop 18:06
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Juerd loops: The difference between .foo(x) and .foo: x is purely syntactic 18:38
loops: I don't think this is documented
loops: Note that the extra parentheses in Map.new: (1,2) make it like Map.new((1,2)) 18:39
This doesn't matter for Map.new, but it might for other method calls
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loops Juerd, thanks. My example wasn't the best, I was just trying to figure out a search term for the docs. 18:43
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SmokeMachine Do you guys think something like this would make any sense? gist.github.com/FCO/b23b055ada6ef4...d29e39aa91 18:54
(Im not sure about the name) 18:55
i think it would be useful to define a set of methods that a attribute/parameter/something must implement but it will not need to `does` a role... 18:56
like golang interfaces
moritz you can kinda do that with subsets 18:57
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moritz m: subset XY of Any where {.can('x') && .can('y') } 18:58
camelia ( no output )
moritz m: subset XY of Any where {.can('x') && .can('y') }; say class { has ($.x, $.y) } ~~ XY; say Int ~~ XY
camelia True
False
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SmokeMachine moritz: yes... but with subset you would have to implement the details to test the methods... 18:59
gobyexample.com/interfaces
moritz: yes... but you had to implement the test if the methods x and y exists... 19:00
moritz SmokeMachine: hence "kinda" :) 19:03
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SmokeMachine moritz: :) 19:06
does any one know if LPW will be streamed? 19:07
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Geth ecosystem: 089e9749e4 | (Lucas Buchala)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | META.list
Add Duo, a pair object, to the ecosystem

See: github.com/lucasbuchala/p6pairs		 19:21
lucasb ^^ My first dist :) Any comments or review welcomed. 19:30
after the ecosystem is updated, I would appreciate if anyone could confirm 'zef install Duo' works 19:31
SmokeMachine lucasb: Duo won't always be reflexive?
lucasb in the current code, yes. always [Any,Any]
one can create a Duo::Role[Str, Cool] or whatever, but currently, the "class Duo is Duo::Role[Any,Any]" is hard coded 19:32
AlexDaniel lucasb: obligatory comment “Why not CPAN?” 19:34
lucasb obviously the documentation is lacking, but I intend to fill with the differences between Pair vs Duo
AlexDaniel: idk, first time doing this :)
let me get some experience then maybe in the future I put in CPAN 19:35
Poohman hello - having some trouble installing Cro in windows using zef 19:36
If the dependencies are in tar.gz format there seems to be a problem
I have installed git and gnu tar - updated the path file 19:37
path variable I mean
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Poohman ther is a p5tar script which seems to be written for such an evnetuality 19:38
but I guess I need perl to be installed for that
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Poohman I would like to try that as well - what version of perl is the best choice for windows 19:39
?
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timotimo you should be able to extract the distributions and "zef install ." in the folder 19:55
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Poohman timotimo : ok 19:58
timotimo it could be interesting to figure out how to make it work anyway 19:59
but just making it work right now could be more important
Poohman i can try that - I just installed Activestate perl and it seems to work now
timotimo oh, that's good
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Poohman just googled perl and the installed this 20:00
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Poohman timotimo : are you involved in the CommaIDE project?? 20:01
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timotimo yes, though i haven't put in work in a month or two 20:05
can i do something for you?
Poohman I had some trouble updating because everytime I downloaded the update for Windows, the saved filename was a long strange one and I didnt know what to do with it 20:06
last week I tried renaming it with an .EXE at the end and then could update it
timotimo you went to the subscriber login and used the "Comma for Windows" link? 20:07
Poohman yes
timotimo interesting. when i click that i just get a .exe directly. could it be some antivirus software interfering?
Poohman just wanted to inform you as Zoffix told me that Jonathon and you could help me regarding this
I just followed the prompt from the IDE for update - I guess it took me to the page you are referring to 20:09
timotimo does it still give you the strange filename when you click on that download link right now?
Poohman let me try
no now its a proper exe with a small name 20:10
timotimo that's quite strange, but i'm glad it somehow got resolved 20:11
Poohman looks ok now 20:12
timotimo you don't happen to remember the old filename, or the time of day and date you downloaded it? perhaps it can be found in the web server's log 20:13
Poohman i was searching for it but must have deleted it 20:14
was very long - the name I mean
timotimo OK
perhaps like a sha1 or sha256 hash?
Poohman it seemed more like a link than a name
timotimo like a full url with a path name inside it? perhaps with %20 encoding? 20:15
AFK BBIAB 20:16
Poohman got it
commaCO-2018.10.0.com_20181012_us_storage_goog4_request&x-goog-date=20181012T181405Z&x-goog-expires=120&x-goog-signedheaders=host 20:17
this was the name of the downloaded file
142,285 KB
buggable New CPAN upload: App-Tasks-0.0.13.tar.gz by JMASLAK modules.perl6.org/dist/App::Tasks:cpan:JMASLAK 20:18
Poohman I had this problem for some weeks and just renamed it with an exe at the end and it worked
sena_kun hmm, that's odd. what browser do you use? 20:19
Poohman normally Chrome - but when I got redirected from the Comma IDE it was internet explorer 20:20
sena_kun ah
Poohman I did this many a times - not sure if I always did it with internet explorer 20:21
sena_kun well, I can believe Internet Explorer can ruin downloads.
it is not very reliable when it comes to browsing pages in terms of quality. I think it should be totally okay in Chrome.
Poohman ok 20:22
got Cro installed via zef but only after overriding the tests - tests seem to fail for it - will check tomorrow- need to hit the sack - thanks for all the help 20:40
sena_kun sometimes tests fail. it's a known issue for now, unfortunately, but it's easier to note than fix. :S 20:41
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sena_kun though it's still mosly okay to use on a daily basis. 20:41
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jamesaxl which book do you recommend for perl6 ? 20:56
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sena_kun jamesaxl, have you saw perl6book.com/img/p6-book-flowchart.png ? 20:58
jamesaxl sena_kun: that's nice, Thank you very much 21:01
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jamesaxl does perl6 has something like Carton ? 21:11
mornfall hmm, do scalars in perl6 get a type? as in, can i tell a string from a number?
jamesaxl I just discovered rakudobrew 21:12
sena_kun jamesaxl, rakudobrew takes latest from git, iirc, so you likely don't want to use it. or, what is your purpose?
mornfall, you mean, like...
m: my $a = "Foo"; say $a ~~ Int; say $a ~~ Str; 21:13
camelia False
True
sena_kun ?
mornfall sena_kun: more like my $a = "7"; but yes
sena_kun ah... well, in your case it is Str for sure.
so I doubt it'll work like that.
but you can match if it's an Int using a regex, etc. depending on what you want to do. 21:14
jamesaxl sena_kun: I just need something like Carton, install package locally without building new perl
sena_kun jamesaxl, re Carton: maybe github.com/FCO/6pm can help?
mornfall sena_kun: no, i *want* that to be Str 21:15
sena_kun: in p5 it is pretty much impossible to tell
sena_kun jamesaxl, do you want to install your local package with Perl 6 package manager? It will be just `zef install .` inside of package directory. Or `zef install DirectoryWithMyModule`.
jamesaxl sena_kun: thank you I get it 21:16
sena_kun mornfall, sorry, don't know Perl 5 so well. Maybe an example or a use-case(even with pseudo-code will do) can help.
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mornfall sena_kun: well, as long as "7" ~~ Str in p6, I'm happy :p 21:19
sena_kun it surely is. :) 21:20
mornfall (that'd be a good excuse to port over this crummy thing to p6 perhaps)
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sena_kun usually does various type-related tricks and that'd be tricky to debug otherwise 21:21
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SmokeMachine jamesaxl: had you taken a look at 6pm? 21:45
jamesaxl SmokeMachine: before no, now I check it on giyhub 21:47
SmokeMachine Oh! I just saw! sena_kun thanks for talking about 6pm!
sena_kun SmokeMachine, well, I thought I definetely saw mentioning of `Carton` at most wanted modules page, though I myself don't have a clue what `Carton` is, and saw a link to 6pm there. :) 21:48
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NeVada Hey, new guy here. I was just wondering, are there any downsides to using Perl6 on Windows rather than Linux? 22:00
sena_kun o/
timotimo we don't have very many volunteers developing perl6 on windows, so if you like running versions of perl6 right out of git, you may encounter bugs more often 22:02
NeVada Thanks. I learned a bit of Perl5 in the past and I'm trying to get the hang of Perl6 now. With Perl5, I often encountered problems. Think I was using Strawberry Perl. 22:05
timotimo perl6 is very different, I hope you'll find very different problems with it :) 22:06
NeVada So I've heard, yes. It has a lot of potential. 22:07
timotimo we like to think so :)
AlexDaniel heh, what about a built in class called “Potential” 22:08
don't know what it'd do, but we can have a lot of it :P 22:09
NeVada Well, classes is something I like about Perl6. I no longer need to do weird things with modules to simulate classes like in Perl5.
timotimo to be fair, there's modules that make that nicer ... i think? i don't actually write any perl5 :| 22:10
why don't we rename "Promise" "Potential" 22:11
AlexDaniel timotimo: have you ever seen anyone show off this thing? ↓
m: say (‘abc’ x 999999999).substr: *-5, 5
camelia bcabc
timotimo i have not
AlexDaniel I feel like most blog posts/talks don't go beyond 0.1+0.2==0.3… :) 22:12
timotimo hah
NeVada Well, Rakudo on Windows seems to be doing fine so far.
timotimo to be fair, "abc" x 9999999999 is kind of not very useful on the day-to-day?
that's good to hear!
sena_kun re potential: I think a constant `$potential = ∞` is sufficient. :)
AlexDaniel yes but
m: say (‘AAA’ ~ ‘abc’ x 999999999 ~ ‘ZZZ’).substr: *-5, 5 22:13
camelia bcZZZ
AlexDaniel it's not limited to just repetitions
timotimo that's true
but the moment you try to run a regex against it, your memory's gonna run out :)
NeVada I wish I could fully dedicate my laptop to Linux, but it has some very weird ACPI-related issues I run into. Also, the touchpad doesn't even work on most distributions. ASUS really doesn't like making their machines Linux compatible...
timotimo because the first thing our regex engine does is make ropy strings into flat arrays for performance reasons
oh, that sucks to hear 22:14
but i keep hearing windows 10's WSL is super good
AlexDaniel m: say (‘AAA’ ~ ‘abc’ x 999999999 ~ ‘ZZZ’).contains: ‘abcZ’
I feel like it's an optimization opportunity here
NeVada Well, running the real thing would make me feel better than using WSL. 22:15
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AlexDaniel there's no point in trying to match the same repeated string over and over 22:15
timotimo go ahead, you can totally have a look at the implementation of that :)
AlexDaniel true that maybe not super useful in day to day stuff, but that again could've been a cool thing to show off :)
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NeVada I'm not very educated in this sense. Is Larry Wall advocating for either Perl5 or Perl6 currently? I tried to find something online, but nothing conclusive showed up. 22:18
timotimo i think larry likes both of his brain-children in the perl family very much 22:19
NeVada Seems fair. 22:20
timotimo maybe love is the appropriate word when using a family/parenting thing out of it 22:21
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NeVada Is there any easy to use Perl6 web application framework? 22:26
sena_kun Cro? Though not exactly a web framework, as you need to take care about model(DB) layer and templating yourself, as Cro::HTTP only takes care of nice serving. 22:28
NeVada Will try, thank you.
sena_kun Also Bailador maybe.
NeVada, cro.services/ <- 22:29
NeVada Much appreciated.
timotimo cro is cool for all of its async/multithreaded/reactive features, and it does http/2 with push promises and also websockets 22:30
but cro is really currently mainly meant for microservices
so doesn't have much html related things embedded into it
that said, there's github.com/jnthn/cro-webapp which has a prototype of a html templating library 22:31
sena_kun yup, exactly. and there are some ssues with stability right now, not really seen too often though, but 1 run in a 200 can die. :S
*issues 22:33
timotimo i'm using it with great success for the moarvm performance analysis tool
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NeVada It seems zef install Bailador doesn't really like something on Windows. prntscr.com/llswjd 22:38
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AlexDaniel heh, expected \n but got \r\n 22:39
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sena_kun github.com/Bailador/Bailador/issues/295 22:40
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NeVada So, I guess --force-test is the way to go? 22:41
Thank you for the link to the issue, btw.
sena_kun yes, it might be.
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AlexDaniel “UnboundLocalError: local variable 'foo' referenced before assignment” 23:15
why did you even run then!!!
other languages are so rage inducing sometimes :) 23:16
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lucasb gist.github.com/lucasbuchala/9340f...02d7418172 23:49
^^ I just can't make that work 23:50
grabbed this idea/snippet from SmokeMachine++
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lucasb the intention is: Duo.new(1, 2) should be a Duo::Role[Any, Any] 23:52
because I choosed [Any, Any] to be the default generic pair 23:53
but it should be possible to also create things like Duo[Int, Str].new(1, "foo"), that should do Duo::Role[Int, Str] 23:54
sena_kun lucasb, don't know how to ask maybe, are you trying to implement a Pair with more features or?
lucasb yup,
just playing with the idea
sena_kun ah, ok. was wandering is there something cool missing in plain Pair I am not aware enough about. :) 23:55
lucasb a generic nonsense useless pair :)
well, the API is different
for example, mypair.List returns a 2-elem list (key, value) 23:56
core P6 pair isn't made for this kind of use :)
sena_kun I see 23:57

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