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johnjra anyone know , is flock less overbloated than flock ? 01:21
than firefox i mean 01:22
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johnjra anyone here know of any software that knows how to do a backup of the harddisk,and then do differential backups ? for windows .ghost or acronis wont do 02:07
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bucky johnjra, unison possibly? 02:18
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johnjra bucky: where to get htat ? 02:19
bucky www.cis.upenn.edu/%7Ebcpierce/unison/
johnjra can i restore all my stuff with this ? 02:24
in windows
?
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awwaiid .names 02:36
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johnjra fuck unison,its the lamest thing ever 02:44
allbery_b unison isn't really intended for backups 02:46
rsync under cygwin might be usable, but really it's the wrong tool for the kind of backups you probably want
on windows, you really eed something which not only backs up files but also backs up registry settings, which generally can't be done with just a file backup. I don't think there's any decent freeware which handles that 02:47
johnjra allbery_b: thats right
allbery_b: you are CORRECT
allbery_b (windows likes to keep certain key registry files locked, making it difficult to do file-level backups on them) 02:48
johnjra allbery_b: i have notrotn ghost,but im not really satisfied with it
SamB besides which, it is kinda hard to partially restore if you backup the registry files whole like that!
allbery_b is not really a windows user or administrator but does know just enough to have some idea of what's dangerous 02:49
johnjra so should i use ghost ? 02:50
allbery_b ghost is more about system cloning than backups, isn't it?
SamB well, does a clone harddrive count as a backup? 02:51
johnjra yeah,well its really good
SamB: its the best backup i think
allbery_b it's a backup, but clones would be hard to do partial restores from
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johnjra whys that ? 02:52
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allbery_b I'd expect you would have to do it by hand 02:52
johnjra what do you ean by that ? 02:53
allbery_b ah I see they do push it as a backup product, not just as a cloner
so they do have some kind of restore support. not sure if that includes related registry foo though 02:54
allbery_b did say he's not really a windows user; what he knows of ghost is mostly how the non-home versions are used for system imaging 02:55
johnjra dunno about others but for me backup is a real issue 02:59
SamB I should do backups
allbery_b does backups but is on OSX and FreeBSD so his solutions wouldn't help much 03:02
johnjra having a heineken after his meal... 03:05
bucky johnjra, ask in ##windows 03:07
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johnjra whats the difference between a textbook , handbook ? 03:42
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bsb The macro-ish autoproxy for delete & exists sounds similar to Lisp's generalized variables (as I understand it) 03:57
see www.cs.cmu.edu/Groups/AI/html/cltl/...ode80.html
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johnjra why am i not allowed to use vector<int&> ? 04:38
allbery_b that doesn't look like perl to me... 04:41
johnjra its c++ ... 04:42
jdv79 perl6 has converged on c++? 04:58
johnjra no...just asking... 04:59
hope i'm not expunged
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johnjra any girls in here ? 05:29
awwaiid looking for a date? 05:37
johnjra anyone here wanna play some halo : combat evolved demo ? 05:49
awwaiid: yeah 05:51
kinda
awwaiid This channel probably isn't the best for that sort of thing... tend to stick to perl6-related hackery. Surely a turn-on for some, but perhaps not what you seek. 05:56
(just a tip :) ) 06:00
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gaal Morning all 07:09
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pflanze Hello. There are some broken links on pugs websites. 07:39
On pugs.blogs.com/pugs/summary/index.html: the weekly summary from 2007.01.01 points go ../2007/.. which doesn't exist; 07:40
and www.pugscode.org/ is pointing to an invalid Pugs::Doc::Hack location.
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svnbot6 r15012 | audreyt++ | * Fix Pugs::Doc::Hack link as noticed by pflanze++. 09:37
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fglock [particle]++ # mp6-past 10:05
svnbot6 r15013 | fglock++ | mp6 - added precompiled PAST/Emitter image 10:16
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Alias_ audreyt: ping? 10:54
audreyt: I've got bugs with YAML::Syck... in particular it doesn't ignore comments it seems 10:55
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svnbot6 r15014 | fglock++ | kp6 - updated spec - added desugaring list 12:56
fglock hmm - I need a way to scale mp6 ast transformations into 'pipes' 12:58
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masak hm, pugs as a password generator... 13:10
?eval [ "a" .. "z", 0 .. 9 ].pick(10).join("")
evalbot_r15014 "5ap7z03vhc" 13:11
masak :)
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hcchien ingy: ping 13:13
nanonyme hmm 13:19
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nanonyme hmm
wolverian masak, a very slight simplification :)
nanonyme lovely syntax 14:00
masak wolverian: thx :) 14:07
nanonyme: it is, isn't it? gosh, I hope that p6 grows up soon so that more people can appreciate it 14:08
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fglock I can't figure out a simple way to do ast transformations on mp6's OO ast - HOH is so more simple to traverse 15:06
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svnbot6 r15015 | gabriele++ | 99problems: updated #13 with another solution and tests 15:15
[particle] fglock: did you see my first take on PAST::Emitter? 15:16
fglock [particle]: yes!
[particle] can you help me with node numbering? 15:17
fglock looking...
[particle] right now i've hard-coded '[0] => ' in the ast
i need to convert to [\d+]
where \d is incremented once for every child node 15:18
svnbot6 r15016 | gabriele++ | 99problems: solved 33 and 34 and updated 31,32 to play nice with them
[particle] bbi15m 15:22
svnbot6 r15017 | fglock++ | mp6-past - implemented some node numbering 15:30
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fglock [particle]: moving the numbering to the caller node would make it easier to manage 15:33
[particle] thanks, i'll have a look 15:43
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fglock luqui: hi 15:46
luqui hola
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fglock thanks for the BEGIN tips the other day 15:46
luqui did you get something working?
fglock I guess I'll emulate pads using data structures, as this will give the most flexibility 15:47
avar hashes then?
fglock a list of hashes, with a special '*' hash 15:48
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luqui shouldn't * be like a package? 15:50
fglock oh, right - namespaces and pads are separate things 15:51
the idea is to implement this as an optional ast transformation
luqui that's a neat idea 15:52
fglock so now I'm looking for a way to implement tree transformations on top of mp6
luqui turn on and off features at command
fglock yes - high level backends will require different transformations
luqui breakfasts & 15:53
fglock mp6 ast definition is a collection of 'classes', so it can't be 'subclassed' 15:54
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luqui well, there's the PGE on p6 design... 15:58
which I rather liked
you make a big role which has other classes in it 16:00
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fglock luqui: link? 16:01
luqui and then when you, er, subrole it, you can replace some of those classes with new ones
hmm?
fglock one of the problems is that mp6 has no inheritance
it is supposed to be implemented in kp6
luqui aa soo
that does make things trickier 16:02
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gaal audreyt: ping -- trying my luck 16:24
I think I don't understand how separate compilation is meant to work viz. stuff existing in the environment when a unit is loaded 16:25
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gaal I was giving the compilation cache a fresh look, seeing if we can do it in opEval (perhaps adding an evalUseCache member to the EvalStyle).. basically, persistently memoizing parseProgram 16:27
but that won't do, because that is a latter is a function of the current env
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TimToady seems like if you symbolically link into the current environment then you can swap the current environment and still look thinks up there. 16:30
(regardless of what you mean by "environment") 16:31
if you use "hard" links then each hard linked object has to be substitutable and hence rw. 16:32
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TimToady for some reason I'm bothered by the word "broadcast" in mmd-draft.txt. it seems to be telling me that an n*m algorithm is turning into an nĀ²*m algorithm... 16:52
maybe we can optimize away the broadcase if the first compatibility pass notices all the semicolons are consistent... 16:56
*broadcast
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kolibrie is there a regex pattern that is guaranteed not to match? 17:46
I want to have a rule to remove headers from certain pages, and would like to have a default rule in the base grammar which will never match, and can be overridden in child grammars 17:47
ingy hcchien: pong 17:48
Gothmog_ kolibrie: What about { fail } ? 17:49
TimToady kolibrie: in theory that's what <fail> does. But taking a clue from the corresponding P5 idiom you could also write <!before> 17:50
{ fail } would also presumably work
though perhaps with a bit more overhead...
kolibrie TimToady: <fail> is what I was looking for 17:51
[particle] { $$ ^^ } ;)
TimToady that's not likely to be an issue here, so I'd go with whatever is plainest and works.
[particle] er, that is, { $ ^ } i guess 17:52
TimToady that would match a null string, I think
[particle] yeah, that makes sense, it would 17:53
and null patterns aren't allowed
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TimToady that's not a null pattern. null input is certainly allowed... 17:54
[particle] no, { } is a null pattern, but it's not legal, so it can't be used in place of <fail>
TimToady hmm, yeah, so that'd have to be <!before <null>> or some such
which I think can just be reduced to <!null> 17:55
but <fail> is certainly clearer... 17:56
[particle] indeed, as that's what it's intended for
Juerd Does /<null>/ match on undef? 17:57
kolibrie I don't see <fail> documented in S05, nor implemented in PCR 17:58
[particle] kolibrie: Bracket rationalization mentions it... 17:59
It can affect the match if it calls fail:
/ (\d+) { $0 < 256 or fail } /
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kolibrie [particle]: that's { fail }, not <fail> 18:00
TimToady <fail> is mentioned in A05, apparently didn't get copied over.
kolibrie it has been years since I read the As 18:01
Juerd Is this { fail } different from the ...???!!! fail?
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TimToady Juerd: same fail 18:02
just sugar
whether <null> matches undef will depend on how the match was dispatched, and whether it forces ~ on the other arg. 18:03
the smartmatcher table doesn't talk much about matching undef on the left, except undef "undef" on the right. 18:04
Juerd TimToady: Does that mean that /...{ ... or fail }/ can die, or is it lexically reconfigured for the regex?
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TimToady what fail does is always return to its dynamic context, and the dynamic context decides what to do with the unthrown exception 18:04
kolibrie will <fail> trigger an exception, or just return a non-true match object?
TimToady in the case the context is a regex, so it traps it and backtracks
no, it just backtracks 18:05
Juerd TimToady: I see, but isn't that annoying when you actually wanted to fail from a function, for example?
A kind of superreturn, but superfail :)
TimToady there's always die...
Juerd TimToady: Yes, but then you're at square 1 again: some want undef, some want die, some want undef with a warning, ...
TimToady these cases don't arise often in practice, I expect 18:06
Juerd Hm, I was thinking of using regexes to validate input
Though the common case would of course be to let the entire regex fail, and // on that. 18:07
(Doesn't mean I'm happy with the synonym though)
brb
TimToady not a synonym, same thing
<commit><fail> fails the whole match immediately 18:10
fglock re kp6 ast transform: I could use a modified mp6 "emit" module, which would accept a "visitor"
[particle] fglock: visitor is a great way to do xforms 18:11
TimToady though I always kinda wondered why mp6 didn't allow at least single inheritance... 18:12
fglock hmm - maybe a hash of visitors, one for each node type
TimToady: no particular reason, just premature simplification
[particle] you can query a node for it's parent node type, yes? 18:13
TimToady seems like SI would be easy to emulate where necessary
on the other hand if AST transforms really need MI then you end up implementing visitors anyway... 18:14
fglock kp6 will implement inheritance 18:15
visitors make it easier to pipeline AST transformations
Juerd TimToady: It feels like a synonym, because the semantics differ. 18:16
TimToady the semantics are decided by the caller.
you can view <commit> as a variant of "use fatal"
Limbic_Region eval: my $num = .1 * -1; say $num;
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Juerd TimToady: It's the same keyword, in the same visual context (code), but it one returns from the sub, and the other backtracks. 18:17
TimToady the other returns from the <>. the regex backtracks 18:18
Juerd Even if at the more immediate level it shares implementation, it'll feel like a synonym :)
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Juerd TimToady: I know I should be more careful with terminology, but it's hard for me to do that and get my point across; OTOH, now I'm doing neither :) 18:19
Where I said "backtracks", read: "causes backtracking"
TimToady :ratchet is also a variant of "use fatal" 18:20
though more like "use refail"
Juerd I just think it's a dangerous abstraction
TimToady find me an abstraction that isn't dangerous...
Juerd HEh 18:22
Heh.
Unfortunately, I have other things to do. Maybe later I can try again.
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TimToady shower & 18:24
kolibrie fglock: I would welcome having <fail> implemented in PCR 18:26
and having { fail } in a regex cause backtracking rather than dieing 18:27
*dying
svnbot6 r15018 | fglock++ | kp6 - initial commit for an ast traverser module
fglock kolibrie: looking
kolibrie: which you using, Regex or Token? 18:29
pasteling "kolibrie" at 66.239.158.2 pasted "testing { fail } in regex" (13 lines, 199B) at sial.org/pbot/22229
kolibrie fglock: regex, but I can use token 18:30
both seem to do the same thing
fglock does it just means 'never match this'? 18:31
kolibrie yes
see the discussion during the last twenty minutes or so 18:32
*forty minutes - my time flies 18:33
fglock see Pugs::Grammar::Base in PCR 18:34
kolibrie 'no_match' ? 18:35
fglock yes - try copying it to 'fail'
might work
kolibrie looks promising
fglock though it will not fail the entire regex sentence - that would need some more work 18:37
it will try alternatives
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kolibrie to fail the entire regex, TimToady said to use <commit><fail> 18:38
fglock then you'll need to have <commit> implemented :) 18:40
kolibrie I don't need that right now
but it should be added for completeness eventually 18:41
fglock sure
did <fail> work?
kolibrie <fail> seems to work after adding '*fail = \&no_match;' to Pugs::Grammar::Base
do you want me to commit? 18:42
fglock yes!
please add to ChangeLog
kolibrie contributes to PCR!! /me does a little dance
fglock welcome :) 18:43
svnbot6 r15019 | kolibrie++ | PCR: implemented <fail> 18:45
kolibrie fglock: thanks for making it so easy
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[particle] pmichaud++ has scheduled perl6 binding, for loops, and BEGIN/END block implementations for this week. it's possible we'll be passing Test.pm this weekend! 18:46
fglock [particle]: maybe kp6 could target p6-parrot 18:48
hmm - maybe p6-parrot can run mp6 natively?
[particle] kp6 -> perl6 -> parrot?
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[particle] well, if the requirements for Test.pm and mp6 or kp6 are similar, that's quite possible 18:49
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fglock the requirements are very lightweight 18:49
only binding and for loops are needed - BEGIN is not 18:50
[particle] oh? maybe we can get together later this week, and give it a go
fglock sure
it would be nice if pmichaud got interested in 6-on-6 development - and finish p6-parrot using p6... 18:52
[particle] that's a goal 18:56
but we need to get Test passing first
once it's bootstrapped, then 6on6 is possible
TimToady I think he is interested, he's just working at it from a different part of the elephant
fglock it's a very different line of thought - and changing plans is really difficult when you have this big responsability 18:57
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TimToady I look at it this way--the various parts will either converge or not. If they converge on single solutions, then the community is more efficient. If they end up with different solutions to the same problem, the community is healthier for the competition. :) 19:00
[particle] coopetition!
TimToady It's not like any of us are trying to make a billion bucks on it... 19:01
so it seems to me that a nice balance between friendly competition and fierce cooperation is fine. 19:02
however, just because the stakes are low is no guarantee of harmony. 19:04
They say that battles in academia are so fierce because the stakes are so low. :)
so we'd like to avoid that too 19:05
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kolibrie we're all just looking forward to Christmas 19:12
fglock it depends on your definition of Christmas, too 19:13
kolibrie that moment when Perl 6 arrives (which may mean we'll have several of them) 19:14
including some mini-Christmases we've had already 19:15
fglock yes - things like, is pugs perl 6? is mp6 a bootstrapped perl 6? 19:16
several Christmas is fine
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fglock otoh, I feel a little alone in the project, sometimes 19:24
TimToady people have been kinda goofing off over the holidays, but I think that'll get better.
[particle] the commit rate on parrot has jumped way up this month 19:25
maybe you should join an active project ;)
TimToady yeah, well, how many of those commits are just trying to make Perl Critic happy? :P 19:26
fglock [particle]: yep
TimToady we need the towns and we need the mountain men 19:27
[particle] timtoady: our software is read/write, not write/only like perl
TimToady fglock is more of a Lewis and Clark type person. 19:28
[particle] indeed. i'm very impressed with fglock's work
TimToady but even Lewis and Clark got lonely at times
stevan tries to figure out who is sacagawea
[particle] i can't wait to read the travel log
TimToady better start learning Portuguese swear words. :) 19:29
fglock heh
TimToady I just wish I had as much money to hand out as Thomas Jefferson did... 19:30
fglock TimToady: swear words are a good start - quite easy to learn 19:31
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TimToady and the vowel system is pretty close to English 19:32
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TimToady pictures the Lewis and Clark expedition as a kind of mobile hackathon... 19:35
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fglock [particle]: re bootstrap, once you have PAST you could recompile mp6 to PAST, and get rid of the p5 controller 19:37
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luqui thinks a vowel system similar to english is points against the learnability of a language 19:39
because I'm not really sure how Engish's works, I just use it
TimToady I've been reading and rereading mmd-draft.txt, and trying to figure out whether it's actually optimizable... 19:42
(or understandable, for that matter) 19:43
fglock luqui: I was very surprised at school when I learned there was a grammar, and that I was supposed to follow it
luqui has trouble understanding mmd-draft.txt 19:44
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TimToady but it's a bit like your phonological system; mmd works just like you expect, but it's very difficult to desribe just what that is. 19:44
luqui can describe exactly just what mmd is
just not *how* to do it
it's like saying "here is exactly how you can verify whether a proof is correct" 19:45
but not having any way of generating a correct proof :-)
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luqui (which is actually not true, because in math it is reasonable to say "look through all the proofs in increasing length order until you find a correct one") 19:46
TimToady well, the verifying part is even a little suspect here, since that's basically what the optimizer wants to rely on to shortcircuit
but if the type system explodes, it's hard to succinctly say "this call is the same type as the previous one" 19:47
luqui yeah, with dependent subtyping that becomes difficult
TimToady practically speaking, though, we can probably build the type identifiers on the fly and not have to build too many 19:48
much like grep just builds the states it needs for the current pattern.
making it scalable and efficient is an interesting problem though. 19:49
a given capture type can probably be reduced to an encoded list, maybe even encoded as UTF-8 integers so common types are one byte 19:50
then you take those strings and (forget the verb) assign unique number ids
what do you call it when all your unique strings turn into integers?
fglock a digest? 19:51
luqui it's some technique that I learned about during pugs
... pugs does it
TimToady most function programming languages do
um, yeah, that... 19:52
anyway, one could presumably analyze the types down to a single integer (64-bit needed?) for a fast "Do I need to recalculate mmd" decision.
it might just be harder to get it boiled down with a more complicated type system. 19:53
where constraints really gum up the works though.
hopefully subset types can factor those out mostly. 19:54
luqui subset types are equivalent to where constraints
it's just whether you have named it or not
TimToady yes, but wheres are anon
nod
so unless you do structural comparison, they end up with unique type ids 19:55
luqui but you need to do the comparison every time anyway
TimToady arguably "where 1" is the same type everywhere, but...
luqui oh, I see
you want to have values carry their types around with the
m
TimToady if some container participating in the capture already verified that this is a subset type, then presumably we don't have to do it again. 19:56
luqui (unless, ugh, the subset type relies on time-sensitive data)
TimToady it might just be containers, including captures that carry it around 19:57
luqui my $counter = 0; subset Foo of Int where { $_ < $counter }; while (...) { $counter++ }
TimToady hmm.
well, maybe we can pessimize that.
luqui We can verify certain cases when the data is not state dependent
and I think many subset clauses will be those cases
TimToady yes, I think we can tell whether the closure is referring to a snapshot 19:58
or is all internal
snapshot of the variable, I mean, not its contents
so it knows $counter is likely to change. 19:59
which is why the constant declarator and readonly vars are important.
also been wondering whether the "private scorecard" is too hard to teach, and whether a "backup to next semicolon branch and revote with new info" might be easier to understand (though possible isomorphic to private scorecards) 20:02
luqui should run through the mmd-draft algorithm on paper sometime to get a handle on it 20:04
TimToady a minor bug in it is that it is defined to run to the end of all parameters, but it really only needs to run to the longest ; or ;; it needs to resolve. 20:05
luqui followed by a double-check that all arguments satisfy parameter constraints, no? 20:06
TimToady that was already handled by the precheck
luqui ok
TimToady but that also bugs me a little, since it could run a lot of unnecessary where clauses
maybe those can be done lazily 20:07
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svnbot6 r15020 | fglock++ | kp6 - 'visitor' gets the node data, instead of node 'self' (unfinished) 20:24
TimToady afk & 20:34
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svnbot6 r15021 | seano++ | Solve a few more of these. (XXX: much duplicate code). 20:45
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MaenNJ hello all 21:45
guys I'm little confused, is there an implementation for Perl 6 in Perl 5 ?
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MaenNJ I know there is v6. so what is Perl6::Rules and other Perl6::* modules ? 21:46
allbery_b not exactly. there is active work on compiling perl6 to perl5
MaenNJ yea thats what I mean 21:47
no I mean that I could use experiment Perl 6 using Perl 5
allbery_b that I couldn't tell you. I know there are some modules which in effect prototype perl6 features in perl5 (for example Moose is perl6's OO system in perl5) 21:48
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MaenNJ I found those : search.cpan.org/search?query=Perl+6&mode=all 21:49
[particle] MaenNJ: yes, you can write perl 6 code, and have it compiled to perl 5 code with v6.pm
Perl6::* are *old* implementations of perl 6 features on perl 5
avar if you run it through an indenter doesn't it look horrid?:)
[particle] but many are outdated syntax, or are super-experimental and buggy 21:50
avar i.e. not meant to be human-readabe;)
MaenNJ ahaa
[particle] you can download v6.pm from cpan to get started 21:51
MaenNJ ok should be faster than pugs, right ? :)
[particle] it has some prerequisite modules
i don't think it's faster than pugs, but i haven't done or seen benchmarks 21:52
MaenNJ aha
damit I hate ActivePerl 21:53
I should hate windows 21:55
it says "The perl5 executable must have PMC support." what does that mean ? 21:56
[particle] what version of perl have you? 21:57
pmc files (in perl5) are "compiled perl modules"
MaenNJ I have perl5.8 21:58
[particle] basically, when you 'use My::Module' perl.exe looks for My/Module.pmc, and if it's not found, looks for My/Module.pm
MaenNJ aah ok it supports pmc then 21:59
[particle] until v6.pm, nobody used .pmc files... it was an unused feature
MaenNJ aha
[particle] now, it's a brilliant hack ;)
MaenNJ :)
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luqui why does v6.pm like .pmcs? 22:04
oh, perl doesn't actually care whether .pmc is "compiled" or not 22:06
I see
[particle] right.
(back)
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MaenNJ Perl is amazing. I like it's community :) I don't know why they don't teach it well in my college :( 22:27
luqui perl has a lot of cultural stigma.. I'm surprised they even teach it in your college 22:35
when I tell my professors that I work with type systems, they interestedly say "ooh", then I say "for Perl", and they disappointedly say "oh" 22:36
I don't get it...
allbery_b ah, PL bigots 22:37
MaenNJ :)
luqui 'course, this guy loves ML and hates Haskell... 22:38
MaenNJ they only teach in design and implementation of programming languages class
[particle] they didn't see the latest episode of extreme makeover: perl edition
luqui so I tend to disregard his opinion
SamB perl? Type systems? 22:39
allbery_b of course, if you really want to fry his brain you cn tell him you're implementing System Fc in PHP :>
SamB can you write them with those little bars? 22:40
MaenNJ is Perl 6 implemented from RFCs or Synopses ? 22:43
[particle] synopses
MaenNJ: do you have a commit bit for pugs? 22:44
if you want to help document, write tests, fix bugs, gimme your email and i'll set you up 22:45
Juerd luqui: There's a huge (perceived?) gap between academic and pragmatic
luqui: Perl has always leaned towards the latter
MaenNJ really me ?
Limbic_Region wonders what languages they will be using when he finally goes to college
[particle] MaenNJ: yes, the more the merrier
SamB allbery_b: ... wouldn't it be sufficient to try to understand System Fc just by reading GHC sources?
Juerd MaenNJ: of course you!
MaenNJ: You want to help, right?
MaenNJ of course I want :)
SamB I mean, rather than bothering to implement it in PHP ?
allbery_b this prof sounds like he's already in that area 22:46
Juerd MaenNJ: Then yes, you! :)
MaenNJ ok where should I give you my email ?
allbery_b it's conflating it with PHP that would make his brain short out :)
Juerd MaenNJ: No, give [particle] your email
Not me :)
I can't give you the commit bit (afaik)
[particle] i msg'd you
Limbic_Region if particle is busy, I can give you a commit bit
oh
[particle] juerd: you want that right?
Limbic_Region well, let me correct that juerd
oh, nevermind - particle is going to handle both 22:47
Juerd [particle]: I wouldn't know why :)
luqui it's so much fun to give out commit bits
why don't we all send him one
[particle] MaenNJ: sent!
Juerd luqui: I have similar fun with feather accounts, actually :)
feather isn't really used much anymore, by the way.
[particle] it's tradition to add yourself to the authors file as your first commit.
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Juerd loves hacker tradition 22:48
luqui ?eval "I am still on feather"
evalbot_r15021 "I am still on feather"
Juerd luqui: Yeah, it does lots of tiny things. People notice it instantly when it's offline :)
[particle] jane is running on feather, too
jane is mdiep's tcl-on-parrot irc bot 22:49
Juerd luqui: But few people actively hack on it anymore. Pugs has actually encouraged some people to buy new home hardware :)
[particle] juerd: i'll probably be using feather this weekend preparing for the parrot release
Juerd [particle]: :)
[particle] but, it's been 6mo or so since my last visit 22:50
Limbic_Region Saturday is Parrot Bug Day
wolverian also ghc6.6 made things a lot better
MaenNJ aha ok :)
Juerd [particle]: Do you still have your password? :)
Limbic_Region uses feather (for CGI:IRC) regularly
Juerd Limbic_Region: That's one of the many tiny things
wolverian I can actually now compile pugs on my laptop without forgetting what I was doing :)
Juerd I should catalog the tiny things
Actually... it would be great if people could provide very simple TAP tests for the services that they provide. 22:51
Would be great to run before and after system upgrades
Limbic_Region I also have a 7.x version of nmake.exe in my home directory for people who don't want to download the entire toolkit
M$--
[particle] juerd: yes, apparently i do :)
:)
Juerd I don't get the M$-- thing. 22:52
I loathe Microsoft, but I just don't use it.
And my keyboard has an S ;)
It's Microsoft Windows users who do the most microsoft--'s. I think that's a bit... awkward 22:53
[particle] linux-- windows forever!
stevan Fortress interpreter just got released by Sun (fortress.sunsource.net/)... might be some useful stuff to "borrow" in here ;) 22:54
[particle] heya stevan
how's your moose hanging?
stevan hey [particle] :)
Juerd At the moment, 18 distinct users are running processes on feather
stevan [particle]: Moose is resting right now,.. the holidays were not kind ;) 22:55
MaenNJ are you planning to make pugs compile perl 6 code into PIR ?
Juerd MaenNJ: It already does that, sort of
[particle] MaenNJ: we're working on perl6 -> pir different ways 22:56
MaenNJ aha
Juerd MaenNJ: Feel free to build another, or to contribute to an existing one 22:57
MaenNJ why to reinvent the wheel, pugs is good enough I think 22:59
I would rather contribute to improve pugs
Juerd Wheels are simple things. It's easy to do it right the first time. 23:00
Perl is a different beast :)
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[particle] perls are not round 23:00
Juerd Nice one :)
MaenNJ :)
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