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| moritz_ | good morning ;) | 08:39 | |
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| pmurias | hi | 09:18 | |
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| moritz_ | hi pmurias ;) | 09:24 | |
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| pmurias is in a dilemma whether to implement double quotes or try to make 05-code-inside-rule.t work in kp6 | 09:28 | ||
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| moritz_ | well, do both ;) | 09:29 | |
| #pugs rand() | |||
| exp_evalbot | OUTPUT[0.7210965431810116] | ||
| pmurias | moritz_: the obvious choice | 09:30 | |
| :) | |||
| masak | morning all | ||
| moritz_ | #pugs if rand() < 0.5 { print "double quoted strings" } print { say "05-code-inside-rule.t" }; say " first"; | ||
| exp_evalbot | OUTPUT[<SubBlock(<anon>)> first] | ||
| pmurias | masak: morning | ||
| moritz_ | #pugs if rand() < 0.5 { print "double quoted strings" } else { print "05-code-inside-rule.t" }; say " first"; | 09:31 | |
| exp_evalbot | OUTPUT[05-code-inside-rule.t first] | ||
| masak | I'm afraid to admit that the pugs bug I found yesterday kept me up way too long into the night | 09:32 | |
| that's a first for me: sleeplessness by pugs bug | |||
| I didn't solve it, but I gained some further insight into the architecture of pugs | 09:33 | ||
| and I trimmed down the problem itself into as few lines as possible | |||
| so I guess it wasn't a total waste | |||
| question: when a test failure only manifests through the use of a module, what is the proper placement of that module? should I still put it in ext/? | 09:34 | ||
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| pugs_svnbot | r17595 | moritz++ | [evalbot] added help message, updated TODO | 09:35 | |
| diff: dev.pugscode.org/changeset/17595 | |||
| lambdabot | Title: Changeset 17595 - Pugs - Trac | ||
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| moritz_ | masak: yes, but document it ;) | 09:38 | |
| masak: what was the bug btw? | 09:39 | ||
| nobody really expects ext/ to be BugFree[tm] | 09:40 | ||
| exp_evalbot: help | 09:41 | ||
| exp_evalbot | moritz_: Usage: <\#(nqp|pugs|p6|eval|kp6) $perl6_program> | ||
| masak | moritz_: the bug is disturbing to say the least | ||
| I will put together a nopaste for you to demonstrate | 09:42 | ||
| commit coming shortly, too | |||
| moritz_ | don't hurry for me, I'll be off to breakfast soon ;) | 09:43 | |
| but I'll backlog | |||
| masak | sounds good | ||
| moritz_ | my girlfriend is preparing scones atm ;) | 09:44 | |
| masak | woot | ||
| :) | |||
| moritz_ | normally I do the cooking (like pancakes for breakfast), so it's a nice change ;) | 09:45 | |
| masak | I'd say | 09:46 | |
| moritz_ | btw why is it so hard to write a haskell debugger? is it because the execution modell is quite different from the way the code is written? | 09:49 | |
| masak | it doesn't sound overly hard | 09:51 | |
| but debugging would probably not be very much like execution, no | |||
| you wouldn't want to see all the massive optimizations when debugging | |||
| moritz_ | I assumed it was hard because the debugger for ghc was implemted rather lated | ||
| s/lated/late/ | 09:52 | ||
| masak | there's a debugger for ghc? where? where? | ||
| masak needs it badly | |||
| I think | |||
| moritz_ | I thought I heard there was an effort to write one | ||
| but my haskell knwledge is dangerously incomplete | |||
| masak | @google ghc debugger | 09:53 | |
| lambdabot | hackage.haskell.org/trac/ghc/ticket/598 | ||
| Title: #598 (GHC Debugger) - GHC - Trac | |||
| masak | wow | ||
| pmurias | #pugs my $a=[1];say $a[0]; | 09:59 | |
| exp_evalbot | OUTPUT[1] | ||
| pmurias | #pugs my $a=[1];say $a[-1]; | ||
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| exp_evalbot | OUTPUT[1] | 09:59 | |
| moritz_ | it should really be [*-1[, but that is NYI in pugs | 10:00 | |
| s:2nd/'['/]/ | |||
| masak | hm, maybe I'll know enough soon to be able to implement it | 10:01 | |
| it doesn't look impossible | |||
| pmurias | moritz_: there seems to be hat for haskell debuginh | 10:04 | |
| *debuging | |||
| masak | hat? | ||
| pmurias | yes | ||
| lumi | There's an interactive debugger in ghc 6.7 | ||
| masak downloads ghc 6.7 | 10:05 | ||
| pmurias | www.haskell.org/hat/ | ||
| lambdabot | Title: Hat - the Haskell Tracer | ||
| masak | pmurias: nice | ||
| pmurias | haven't tried it, but it looks much more usefull then the standart imperative debugger | ||
| *standard | 10:07 | ||
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| pmurias needs @array[*-1] in mp6 | 10:08 | ||
| @array[0-1] works :) | 10:10 | ||
| lambdabot | Unknown command, try @list | ||
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| pugs_svnbot | r17596 | masak++ | [t/builtins/arrays/] | 10:39 | |
| r17596 | masak++ | * here is the new pugs bug, in all its glory: | |||
| r17596 | masak++ | ** it seems that arrays initialized with "my" (but not assigned to) | |||
| r17596 | masak++ | in subs called from outside the method, are not initialized | |||
| r17596 | masak++ | properly and contain vestiges from earlier calls | |||
| diff: dev.pugscode.org/changeset/17596 | |||
| lambdabot | Title: Changeset 17596 - Pugs - Trac | ||
| pasteling | "masak" at 130.238.204.78 pasted "A demonstration of the array init bug" (43 lines, 1K) at sial.org/pbot/27259 | 10:41 | |
| pugs_svnbot | r17597 | masak++ | removed outdated comment about being in ext/ | ||
| diff: dev.pugscode.org/changeset/17597 | |||
| lambdabot | Title: Changeset 17597 - Pugs - Trac | ||
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| moritz_ | scones take up less spaceif aligned to hexagonal lattice ;) | 10:47 | |
| masak | heh. | ||
| yes, that should be the most area-efficient arrangement for roughly circular scones | 10:48 | ||
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| masak | lunch & | 11:00 | |
| Patterner | Learn from Battle For Wesnoth :) | 11:01 | |
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| moritz_ | learn from math courses ;) | 11:20 | |
| pmurias | renormalist: hi | 11:21 | |
| pugs_svnbot | r17598 | pmurias++ | [kp6] emitting inner code blocks in rules as seperate methods,unfortunatly self gets scrambled | ||
| diff: dev.pugscode.org/changeset/17598 | |||
| lambdabot | Title: Changeset 17598 - Pugs - Trac | ||
| renormalist | pmurias: hi | 11:27 | |
| lambdabot | renormalist: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. | ||
| moritz_ | compilation of IO.pm is screwed for me (in kp6): COMPILE lib/KindaPerl6/Runtime/Perl6/IO.pm lib5/KindaPerl6/Runtime/Perl6/IO.pm | ||
| Can't load ExtractRuleBlock plugin: Can't locate KindaPerl6/Visitor/ExtractRuleBlock.pm in @INC | |||
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| renormalist | moritz_: since when? | 11:28 | |
| moritz_ | I don't know, perhaps a few days, perhaps since yesterday | ||
| maybe somebody forgot to svn add ExtractRuleBlock.pm? | 11:29 | ||
| pmurias | yes | 11:30 | |
| sorry | |||
| pugs_svnbot | r17599 | pmurias++ | [kp6] files i forgot to add | ||
| diff: dev.pugscode.org/changeset/17599 | |||
| lambdabot | Title: Changeset 17599 - Pugs - Trac | ||
| pmurias | it's svk add actualy | 11:31 | |
| moritz_ | ;) | ||
| pmurias | i found the bug which screws up self, will fix it after lunch& | 11:32 | |
| moritz_ | 01-sanity/07-try.t uses unless {..} else {..} ;) | ||
| pmurias | or somebody else can make sub receive sigs withought self (Grammar problem) ealier | ||
| moritz_: fix it then :) | |||
| moritz_ | I'm on it ;) | 11:33 | |
| pmurias | *without | ||
| moritz_ | revision 17600, YaY | 11:34 | |
| is it legal to use a reference to a sub before declaring it? | 11:35 | ||
| pugs_svnbot | r17600 | moritz++ | t/01-sanity/07-try.t: removed obsolete unless...else | ||
| diff: dev.pugscode.org/changeset/17600 | |||
| lambdabot | Title: Changeset 17600 - Pugs - Trac | ||
| moritz_ | that's used in t/blocks/goto.t | ||
| pugs_svnbot | r17601 | moritz++ | t/builtins/undef.t: removed obsolete unless...else | 11:41 | |
| r17602 | moritz++ | removed t/oo/from_moose/000_load.t (OO is bulitin ;) | |||
| diff: dev.pugscode.org/changeset/17602 | |||
| lambdabot | Title: Changeset 17602 - Pugs - Trac | ||
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| pugs_svnbot | r17603 | moritz++ | t/operators/flip-flop.t: removed obsolete unless..else | 11:47 | |
| diff: dev.pugscode.org/changeset/17603 | |||
| lambdabot | Title: Changeset 17603 - Pugs - Trac | ||
| moritz_ | in the test suite I get some errors like that: | 11:48 | |
| pugs: Internal error: Unknown pseudo-assignment form:Syn "=" [Var "$*_",Val (VInt 0)] | |||
| is that new? | |||
| for example in statements/given.t | |||
| pugs_svnbot | r17604 | moritz++ | t/unspecced/sort.t: removed obsolete unless...else | 11:50 | |
| diff: dev.pugscode.org/changeset/17604 | |||
| lambdabot | Title: Changeset 17604 - Pugs - Trac | ||
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| rhr | gone for 2 weeks & | 11:54 | |
| moritz_ | rhr: have fun ;) | ||
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| pugs_svnbot | r17605 | moritz++ | SLAVES: added myself for exp_evalbot | 12:14 | |
| diff: dev.pugscode.org/changeset/17605 | |||
| lambdabot | Title: Changeset 17605 - Pugs - Trac | ||
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| pugs_svnbot | r17606 | masak++ | [File::Spec::Win32] | 13:06 | |
| r17606 | masak++ | * worked around the strange array init bug | |||
| r17606 | masak++ | * module tests now pass | |||
| diff: dev.pugscode.org/changeset/17606 | |||
| lambdabot | Title: Changeset 17606 - Pugs - Trac | ||
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| nwc10 | does Flavio Glock appear here? | 13:44 | |
| masak | nwc10: yes | ||
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| avar | nwc10: as flgock | 13:50 | |
| *fglock | |||
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| masak | #pugs use File::Util; my $f = File::Util.new; $f.existent('pugs') | 13:52 | |
| exp_evalbot | OUTPUT[pugs: *** Unsafe function 'use' called under safe mode at /tmp/9v7MZb8zeB line 1, column 1] | ||
| masak | ah, even use is unsafe? | ||
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| pmurias | use is very unsafe | 14:09 | |
| masak | pmurias: in itself? | ||
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| pmurias | i probably overestimated it's unsafnes ;) | 14:12 | |
| masak | pmurias: maybe, maybe not. I just don't see it right now | ||
| pmurias | you can load code from the disk | 14:13 | |
| so it's sort of io | |||
| masak | yes... | ||
| but io in itself is ok, right? | |||
| I mean, there's a fixed number of modules on the server behind the eval bot | 14:14 | ||
| it's the things that the loaded code might do that are potentially dangerous | |||
| pmurias | yes | ||
| well you might want to keep some code private | 14:15 | ||
| masak | please elaborate | ||
| still don't see how it merits banning use | |||
| pmurias | in the case of evalbot it dosn't make sense to ban it | 14:16 | |
| masak | no, not as far as I can see right now | ||
| pmurias | but allowing banning anything else dosn't make sense as well as the evalbot is probably in a sandbox of some sort | 14:17 | |
| maybe restricting the @INC to a predefined directory would be enough | 14:18 | ||
| and no forgein modules | |||
| like use DBI:from<perl5> | |||
| masak | yeah, good point | 14:20 | |
| pmurias | it's no use to have partial unsafeness checking | 14:31 | |
| masak | true -- and there is probably undecidability creeping in there somewhere, so better to prohibit defensively | 14:32 | |
| pmurias | having the evalbot runing in unsafe mode in a good enough sandbox might be a better option | 14:39 | |
| masak | hm, yes | 14:40 | |
| I'd still be a bit careful with arbritary system calls and the like | |||
| Tene | Perhaps running on a read-only fs with no network access and proper ulimits and such. | 14:42 | |
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| masak | yes | 14:42 | |
| moritz_ | I don't really care about anything but DOS attacks | 14:44 | |
| fork bombs and the like are the most dangerous thing for the evalbot | |||
| or something that fills up the disc space | |||
| otherwise evalbot runs with low permissions in a chroot that is used for nothing else | 14:45 | ||
| still I'd like to see safe/unsafe flags per namespace/module/whatever | |||
| for example I'd consider Date::Calc to be "safe" and POSIX to be "unsafe" | |||
| masak | moritz_: did you take a look at the array init bug in pugs? what do you think about it? | 14:46 | |
| moritz_: maybe that would be a good enough idea, whitelisting modules | |||
| moritz_ | masak: re array bug: weird indeed | 14:48 | |
| masak | moritz_: I wouldn't have excpected such a bug to still remain in pugs, shaky as it sometimes is | 14:49 | |
| unfortunately, I don't have the required Haskell-fu to fix it yet | |||
| in pugs source, I repeatedly ran into something called pads, which seems a scary context somehow related to monads | 14:50 | ||
| pmurias | lexical pads? | ||
| masak | yes | ||
| moritz_ has heard that as well ;) | |||
| masak | they're called Pad in pugs source | ||
| I know what they are | |||
| moritz_ | explain! ;) | ||
| masak | ok :) | ||
| they are environments tied to blocks of code containing variables bound to values | 14:51 | ||
| moritz_ | re whitelisting... that's ugly, but workable ;) | ||
| masak | you need many pads because the same name might connote different values in different parts of a p6 file | ||
| basically, ever subrouting has a pad | 14:52 | ||
| moritz_ | and an assignment basically changes a pad entry? | ||
| masak | dunno | ||
| conceivably | |||
| moritz_ | and a declaration adds a slot, presumably | ||
| masak | anyway, this all makes sense re the current bug, since something apparently is carried over from one call to the next | ||
| or rather (as I've seen by playing around with it) from the first call to all subsequent ones | 14:53 | ||
| we're basically seeing some unintended pad contamination | |||
| which only occurs in exported subs | 14:54 | ||
| I'm stuck with solving it because I cannot find the place in Eval.hs where "my" declarations are evaluated | 14:55 | ||
| if anyone from the future is reading this, please send a patch back to me somehow. kthxbai | |||
| pugs_svnbot | r17607 | pmurias++ | [kp6] sub {} no longer gets $self as the invocant | ||
| diff: dev.pugscode.org/changeset/17607 | |||
| lambdabot | Title: Changeset 17607 - Pugs - Trac | ||
| moritz_ | masak: did you see src/Pugs/Eval/Var.hs? that contains a rather verbose explanation of findSub etc. | 14:58 | |
| masak | moritz_: I found it and read it, yes | 15:00 | |
| didn't find anything about declarations, though | 15:01 | ||
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| pugs_svnbot | r17608 | pmurias++ | [kp6] code inside rules works at last | 15:44 | |
| r17608 | pmurias++ | fixed GLOBAL::print | |||
| diff: dev.pugscode.org/changeset/17608 | |||
| lambdabot | Title: Changeset 17608 - Pugs - Trac | ||
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| pmurias | that proved a difficult test to fix | 15:50 | |
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| pmurias | kp6 compiles Grammar.pm | 18:40 | |
| :) | |||
| Tene | Next step: STD.pm? ;) | ||
| pmurias | :) | 18:41 | |
| moritz_ | wow, I'm impressed | ||
| pmurias | well the next step is to check if it does it correctly | ||
| shower& | 18:42 | ||
| b_jonas | lol | 18:43 | |
| DarkWolf84 | great | ||
| :) | |||
| pmurias | b | 18:56 | |
| moritz_ | when I try to run the test suite with Grammar.pm compiled by kp6 I get a message 'Can't locate object method "comp_unit" via package "KindaPerl6::Grammar" at kp6-perl5.pl line 99' | 19:10 | |
| all the Grammar/*.pm compile at least | 19:12 | ||
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| pmurias | moritz_: code compiled by kp6 and mp6 isn't compatible | 19:15 | |
| moritz_ | seems like, yes | 19:17 | |
| pmurias | you would need the whole compiler compiled by kp6, and a new kp6-perl5.pl | ||
| what i think is needed right now is a make target which compiles lib with kp6 to a diffrent dir | 19:18 | ||
| moritz_ | I'm trying to recompile all of kp6 now to tmp/ | 19:22 | |
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| moritz_ | no syntax errors so far | 19:24 | |
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| pmurias | what i'm worried about is that grammars compiled with kp6 will be too slow | 19:29 | |
| moritz_ | Grammar.__rule_block1 seems to get defined/emitted twice | ||
| perhaps a problem with MOP.pm | 19:30 | ||
| pmurias | nay | ||
| i know what causes that | |||
| did all files compile? | 19:31 | ||
| moritz_ | yes | ||
| pmurias | could you check them in? | ||
| moritz_ | 'course | 19:32 | |
| pugs_svnbot | r17609 | moritz++ | [kp6] added bootstrap/ which contains a kp6 image compiled with kp6 | 19:33 | |
| diff: dev.pugscode.org/changeset/17609 | |||
| lambdabot | Title: Changeset 17609 - Pugs - Trac | ||
| moritz_ | I can write a little bootstrap.pl script as well | 19:34 | |
| avar | moritz_: does bootstrap/ work without mp6 on your system? | 19:35 | |
| moritz_ | avar: it doesn't work at all ;) | ||
| pmurias | moritz_: a make target would be better than a script | ||
| moritz_ | pmurias: I'm not that confident with Makefiles... | 19:37 | |
| pmurias: and usually if you change kp6 you want to recompile all of, don't you? | 19:38 | ||
| pmurias | not always | 19:39 | |
| you might want to use a stable version of kp6 and recompile only the changed part | 19:40 | ||
| DarkWolf84 | cool kp6 is now bootstraped | ||
| :) | |||
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| moritz_ | DarkWolf84: now, not quite | 19:40 | |
| DarkWolf84 | why? | ||
| moritz_ | DarkWolf84: it doesn't throw any syntax errors on itself, but it doesn't run yet | 19:41 | |
| DarkWolf84 | I had a problem making 'make clean && make' | ||
| that for kp6 | 19:42 | ||
| pmurias | make clean screws up kp6 | 19:45 | |
| moritz_ | make forcerecompile; make is the way to go | ||
| pmurias | make forcerecompile is redundant | 19:47 | |
| just use make -B | |||
| b_jonas | or make clean compile | 19:50 | |
| pmurias | NO! do not use make clean | 19:52 | |
| DarkWolf84 | I know that allready | ||
| :) | |||
| pugs_svnbot | r17610 | pmurias++ | [kp6] Makefile complains if not used properly | 19:54 | |
| diff: dev.pugscode.org/changeset/17610 | |||
| lambdabot | Title: Changeset 17610 - Pugs - Trac | ||
| avar | moritz_++ # working on bootstrap | 19:55 | |
| pugs_svnbot | r17611 | pmurias++ | [kp6] fixed typo | 19:57 | |
| diff: dev.pugscode.org/changeset/17611 | |||
| lambdabot | Title: Changeset 17611 - Pugs - Trac | ||
| pugs_svnbot | r17612 | pmurias++ | [kp6] failing test for 'for' | 20:00 | |
| r17612 | pmurias++ | s/prim/prime/ | |||
| diff: dev.pugscode.org/changeset/17612 | |||
| lambdabot | Title: Changeset 17612 - Pugs - Trac | ||
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| moritz_ | more bootstrapping tomorrow, bed & | 20:04 | |
| pmurias | sleep& | 20:06 | |
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| pmurias | and a bit of Compiling with Continuations, Continued | 20:07 | |
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| meppl | good night | 23:17 | |
| DarkWolf84 | night | 23:22 | |
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