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sunnavy @ask TimToady is rat a valid native type? 07:25
lambdabot Consider it noted.
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masak sunnavy: my guess is no, since it does not have any hardware equivalent 07:27
sunnavy thanks, masak. 07:31
masak np. but I don't really know
sunnavy let's waiting for TimToady's response, hehe. 07:32
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bloonix good morning 08:13
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pmurias hi 08:13
masak good morning
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moritz_ hi 08:14
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moritz_ is q!foo! still a valid quoting construct? 08:15
pmurias i think so 08:16
say q<< <<woot>> >> # says " <<woot>> "
sorry it's not 08:17
breakfeast&
TimToady q!foo! should work 08:23
lambdabot TimToady: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
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pugs_svnbot r17529 | moritz++ | t/regex/from_perl6_rules/capture.t 08:27
r17529 | moritz++ | * added smartlinks
r17529 | moritz++ | * corrected some tests, $1 -> $0
r17529 | moritz++ | This test still needs some care, so if anyone has spare time...
diff: dev.pugscode.org/changeset/17529
lambdabot Title: Changeset 17529 - Pugs - Trac
TimToady sunnavy: S02:543 gives rat and complex as examples of native types, though of course a rat composed of two ints is not able to represent as many values as a Rat of two Ints, which are arbitrary precision 08:28
I am sitting in Vienna airport, btw. freewifi++
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pugs_svnbot r17530 | moritz++ | smartlinks for t/regex/from_perl6_rules/charset.t 08:33
diff: dev.pugscode.org/changeset/17530
lambdabot Title: Changeset 17530 - Pugs - Trac
agentzh moritz_++ 08:34
sunnavy TimToady: gotcha, thanks. 08:36
TimToady: The reason I asked this question is I didn't find it in the list of native types: S02:756 08:40
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TimToady native type support may be somewhat lacking in 6.0.0, esp for marginal types like that 08:43
sunnavy ok :-) 08:44
pugs_svnbot r17531 | moritz++ | smartlink for t/regex/from_perl6_rules/combchar.t
diff: dev.pugscode.org/changeset/17531
lambdabot Title: Changeset 17531 - Pugs - Trac
TimToady and rat and complex were given more as examples of possible native types
sunnavy oh, are block comments exactly gone in Perl 6? 08:46
masak TimToady: what's a 'possible native type'? is not the set of allowed native types fixed?
TimToady it'll depend on who implements 6.0.0 first, and whether they manage to get those types in.
masak ah. 08:47
TimToady lots of things are still negotiable
yes, block comments are gone
masak the negotiability of lots of things is one thing I like about the perl 6 effort. after the initial vertigo/fear, it's a great boon seeing so much feedback go into the spec during implementation 08:48
sunnavy Then maybe you need update S02:125, ;-)
TimToady fixed, thanks 08:50
sunnavy NP :-) 08:51
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pugs_svnbot r17532 | lwall++ | [STD] more metholation tweaks 08:56
diff: dev.pugscode.org/changeset/17532
lambdabot Title: Changeset 17532 - Pugs - Trac
TimToady well, they're calling my flight, so...
decommuting & 08:57
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pugs_svnbot r17533 | moritz++ | smartlink for context.t 09:02
diff: dev.pugscode.org/changeset/17533
lambdabot Title: Changeset 17533 - Pugs - Trac
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pugs_svnbot r17534 | moritz++ | smartlink for counted.t 09:12
diff: dev.pugscode.org/changeset/17534
lambdabot Title: Changeset 17534 - Pugs - Trac
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pugs_svnbot r17535 | moritz++ | smartlink for hash_cap.t 09:21
diff: dev.pugscode.org/changeset/17535
lambdabot Title: Changeset 17535 - Pugs - Trac
pugs_svnbot r17536 | moritz++ | smartlink for inline.t 09:27
diff: dev.pugscode.org/changeset/17536
lambdabot Title: Changeset 17536 - Pugs - Trac
pugs_svnbot r17537 | moritz++ | smartlink for litvar.t 09:33
diff: dev.pugscode.org/changeset/17537
lambdabot Title: Changeset 17537 - Pugs - Trac
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pugs_svnbot r17538 | moritz++ | smartlink for lookaround.t 09:35
diff: dev.pugscode.org/changeset/17538
lambdabot Title: Changeset 17538 - Pugs - Trac
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pugs_svnbot r17539 | moritz++ | smartlinks for named_cap.t 09:44
diff: dev.pugscode.org/changeset/17539
lambdabot Title: Changeset 17539 - Pugs - Trac
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pugs_svnbot r17540 | moritz++ | smartlink for newline.t 09:47
diff: dev.pugscode.org/changeset/17540
lambdabot Title: Changeset 17540 - Pugs - Trac
pugs_svnbot r17541 | moritz++ | smartlink for null.t 09:50
r17542 | moritz++ | smartlink for overlapping.t
diff: dev.pugscode.org/changeset/17542
lambdabot Title: Changeset 17542 - Pugs - Trac
pugs_svnbot r17543 | moritz++ | smartlink for pos_modifier.t 09:56
r17544 | moritz++ | smartlink for prior.t
diff: dev.pugscode.org/changeset/17544
lambdabot Title: Changeset 17544 - Pugs - Trac
moritz_ that's enough for now ;) 09:57
sunnavy moritz++
agentzh is glad to see moritz_ becomes a happy smartlinker.
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pugs_svnbot r17545 | pmurias++ | [kp6] infix &,|,^ and fixed junction stringification 10:13
diff: dev.pugscode.org/changeset/17545
lambdabot Title: Changeset 17545 - Pugs - Trac
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pmurias is there a simplified implementation of Test.pm somewhere or is writing a custom one the best choice for a young implementation? 10:22
agentzh pmurias: in parrot's repos? 10:24
pmurias: pmichaud has one...i think. 10:25
pmurias thanks 10:26
found iy
s/iy/it/
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pmurias mp6 has one too, i should look at find's output more carefully next time ;) 10:28
agentzh okay 10:30
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pugs_svnbot r17546 | moritz++ | smartlink for qinterp.t 11:29
diff: dev.pugscode.org/changeset/17546
lambdabot Title: Changeset 17546 - Pugs - Trac
pugs_svnbot r17547 | moritz++ | smartlink for repeat.t 11:32
diff: dev.pugscode.org/changeset/17547
lambdabot Title: Changeset 17547 - Pugs - Trac
moritz_ where is a list of definition of predefined named rules? 11:33
like ident, digit, xdigit etc.
they are used as examples in S05, but they are not really defined 11:34
agentzh moritz_: afaik, there's no such a list in S05. 11:35
moritz_ well, there should be ;)
agentzh moritz_: i was looking for the same thing while tweaking PCR :)
moritz_: strongly agreed :)
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moritz_ should <ident> consider unicode chars as identifier? 11:37
I think so, but I'm not sure
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agentzh moritz_: i think Perl's identifiers could be utf-8. i think <ident> should be consistent with that :) 11:43
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pugs_svnbot r17548 | pmurias++ | [kp6] overelaxed the grammar to allow \n as the statement separator 11:44
diff: dev.pugscode.org/changeset/17548
lambdabot Title: Changeset 17548 - Pugs - Trac
pasteling "moritz_" at 84.148.8.83 pasted "a first shot at builtin rules" (18 lines, 345B) at sial.org/pbot/27212 11:46
agentzh hmm, kp6's grammar only uses a very restricted subset of p6 regex syntax...even quantifiers are eliminated...that's mp6 syntax...i guess... 11:48
and...rule foo { ... } is not used either...
moritz_ yes, much is done with recursion
agentzh *nod*
token foo { ... } results in tons of <?ws>... 11:49
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agentzh which affects the readability... 11:49
moritz_ agentzh: the plan is to bootstrap kp6 with kp6, which is much more hackable than mp6... 11:50
agentzh but anyway...bootstrapping was the main goal while that kp6 grammar was written...
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agentzh moritz_: *nod* 11:50
moritz_ agentzh: which means that once it is bootstrapped, such things are easier fixable
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moritz_ token ws { [<?before <alnum>> \s+ <?after <alnum>>] | <?space>* } 11:52
does this look reasonable?
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moritz_ s/space/blank/ of course 11:53
agentzh moritz_: <ws> doesn't take P6 comments into account?
moritz_ agentzh: only in STD.pm, in "normal" grammars it's just a "magical whitespace" 11:54
agentzh k
moritz_ is the <before>/<after> magic reasonable? 11:55
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masak how old is the parrot repo? the pugs repo revision number is in the 17000s now, and parrot's is hitting 21000 soon 12:05
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pugs_svnbot r17549 | pmurias++ | [kp6] 12:07
r17549 | pmurias++ | changed to --do Visitor1,Visitor2 which should work everywhere
r17549 | pmurias++ | run some more test from sanity
diff: dev.pugscode.org/changeset/17549
lambdabot Title: Changeset 17549 - Pugs - Trac
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pmurias sorry broke kp6 12:09
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pugs_svnbot r17550 | pmurias++ | [kp6] fixed last commit 12:14
diff: dev.pugscode.org/changeset/17550
lambdabot Title: Changeset 17550 - Pugs - Trac
sunnavy masak: the parrot's log of revision 1, was on 2001-08-29 12:24
masak thx 12:26
it's probably quite a meaningless comparison
but pugs does seem to have a higher average commit rate
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moritz_ masak: pugs has a lot of sub projects (for example the test suite) and many, many commiters 12:59
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masak moritz_: yes... that's why the comparison is mostly meaningless 13:01
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pugs_svnbot r17551 | moritz++ | util/perl6.vim: more builtin char classes 13:35
diff: dev.pugscode.org/changeset/17551
lambdabot Title: Changeset 17551 - Pugs - Trac
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xahlee hi... a perl question. What's the most common package for sending email? 17:45
moritz_ perl questions are generally more on topic in #perlhelp or #perl 17:47
here is perl6 development 17:48
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xahlee moritz_: am banned in perl for like a year now. Rather unreasonably 17:48
moritz_ xahlee: that doesn't make the question here more "on topic" 17:50
there are still other resources like perlmonks.org
and you could ask one of the #perl ops to unban you 17:51
PerlJam xahlee: And there are other networks too. (Are you banned on all #perl ?) 17:52
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xahlee PerlJam: just in freenode. (i have the transcript saved) 17:52
haven't used any other irc much really 17:53
PerlJam xahlee: Also, search.cpan.org + cpan ratings should tell you something useful.
xahlee i just looked at faq... it uses Mail::Mailer 17:54
as of 2001, i recall it has a bug that its from field does not work? anyway... gonna test it now.
darn it's not bundled. 17:55
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xahlee umm... cpan is asking me for ncftpget? not familiar with that. How do i proceed? 18:05
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Blwood[pizza] apt-get install ncftp 18:17
amnesiac lftp++
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rhandom eval if 42 -> $i { $i.say } 18:20
?eval if 42 -> $i { $i.say } 18:21
pugsbot_r17185 Error: Cannot bind to non-existing variable: "$i"
rhandom ?eval for 42 -> $i { $i.say }
pugsbot_r17185 OUTPUT[42␤] undef 18:22
rhandom Was "if" going to support pointy blocks and pass arguments to them ?
There was some discussion several months back , but I forgot the outcome 18:23
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rhandom i suppose the would be odd - especially if this was supported: 18:25
if 0 -> $i { say "yup $i" } else -> $i { say "yup $i" }
i can see use for the if case
but the else case starts to get odd
and i guess it implies that the topic of the if would clobber the $_ during the if
which brough to my mind that point subs on ifs were nixed 18:26
rhr I think pointies are still allowed there, S04:1037 has one 18:28
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rhr yes, S04:209 specs it, but doesn't mention the else case (which does look weird) 18:30
pugs_svnbot r17552 | renormalist++ | [kp6]
r17552 | renormalist++ | * disable unsecure code by setting env KP6_DISABLE_UNSECURE_CODE
r17552 | renormalist++ | * Num datatype added (correctly done? please review)
r17552 | renormalist++ | * more tests for grep
r17552 | renormalist++ | * MOP.pm: more dynamic require of runtime classes and error handling.
r17552 | renormalist++ | - This solves some annoying self referential issues when a Perl6
r17552 | renormalist++ | file compiled but the resulting Perl5 code failed so that not
r17552 | renormalist++ | even MOP could be loaded when we correct that issue.
r17552 | renormalist++ | * Makefile enhancements:
r17552 | renormalist++ | - now stop on compile errors instead of creating empty files,
r17552 | renormalist++ | which broke successive compile runs
r17552 | renormalist++ | - test targets for just subsections: test_(io|math|base)
r17552 | renormalist++ | - make test now depend on make all
diff: dev.pugscode.org/changeset/17552 18:31
lambdabot Title: Changeset 17552 - Pugs - Trac
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rhandom Binding within an else automatically binds the value tested by the previous if or elsif, 18:34
(from S04)
However, use of $_ with a conditional statement's block is not considered sufficiently explicit to turn a 0-ary block into a 1-ary function (also from S04) 18:35
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rhandom I'm guessing that means that the following should work 18:38
if (42 but false) -> $i { say "yup $i" } else { say "nope $i" }
it may be good to have an example in the synopsis that shows an elsif and else with pointy blocks 18:39
ah 18:40
chagrin
there is one
please forget i was even here :) 18:41
if testa() -> $a { say $a }
elsif testb() -> $b { say $b }
else -> $b { say $b }
(from S04)
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renormalist &tell 18:48
Bummer! :-)
pugs_svnbot r17553 | renormalist++ | cperl-mode:
r17553 | renormalist++ | - take in again the differentiation between Hash and Block
r17553 | renormalist++ | (not perfect yet but better than without it)
r17553 | renormalist++ | - more Type keywords
diff: dev.pugscode.org/changeset/17553
lambdabot Title: Changeset 17553 - Pugs - Trac
renormalist How was the syntax to leave a msg in the irc to someone? 18:49
[particle] @tell foo bar
renormalist thx, I try 18:51
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renormalist @tell fglock You could please have a look at my changeset 17552, especially the new type Num. I also made the 'make' and the loading of runtime in MOP more robust on errors. It made the work easier for me, but if you find it stupid, feel free to revert. :-) 18:59
lambdabot Consider it noted.
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moritz_ #kp6 mkdir '/tmp/foo/' 19:33
exp_evalbot r17553: OUTPUT[DISPATCH: calling APPLY KindaPerl6::Runtime::Perl5::DispatchSugar::Dispatch=HASH(0x83531d4) on invalid object:$VAR1 = {};␤␤ at lib5/KindaPerl6/Runtime/Perl5/MOP.pm line 32␤ main::DISPATCH('undef', 'APPLY', 'KindaPerl6::Runtime::Perl5::DispatchSugar::Dispatch=HASH(0x83...') called at
..- line 15␤]
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pugs_svnbot r17554 | moritz++ | [evalbot] set KP6_DISABLE_UNSECURE_CODE environment variable for kp6 19:37
diff: dev.pugscode.org/changeset/17554
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moritz_ #kp6 mkdir '/tmp/foo' 19:37
exp_evalbot r17554: OUTPUT[DISPATCH: calling APPLY KindaPerl6::Runtime::Perl5::DispatchSugar::Dispatch=HASH(0x83531d4) on invalid object:$VAR1 = {};␤␤ at lib5/KindaPerl6/Runtime/Perl5/MOP.pm line 32␤ main::DISPATCH('undef', 'APPLY', 'KindaPerl6::Runtime::Perl5::DispatchSugar::Dispatch=HASH(0x83...') called at
..- line 15␤]
moritz_ @tell renormalist I'd rather rely on a command line option that sets a global constant for unsafe operations 19:39
lambdabot Consider it noted.
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pmurias @tell renormalist the problems with errors screwing up the build should probably be fixed in a more general way 20:24
lambdabot Consider it noted.
pmurias @tell renormalist the implementation of srand seems strange to me defined $defined_value return 0 20:26
lambdabot Consider it noted.
pmurias @tell Num seems fine 20:28
lambdabot Consider it noted.
pmurias renormalist++ #making make exit on errors
[particle] wonders if types can be named after operators
my return $x;
pmurias ? 20:29
[particle] my Int $x;
pmurias what would my return $x do? 20:30
[particle] create a variable $x of type 'return'
class return { ... }
pmurias i hope it would be forbiden 20:31
class class {}
[particle] me too, but i don't remember reading it
yep, could get really messy
class say {}; say.say 20:32
say.WHAT
pmurias calling the type Return doesn't cost you anything if you want to reuse the word 20:33
is it possible to have both class foo {} and sub foo {}
?
[particle] blind doe. 20:34
pmurias what does 'blind doe' mean? 20:35
[particle] no-eyed deer
:P
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bloonix hello 20:49
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pugs_svnbot r17555 | moritz++ | t/regex/modifiers.t: 21:37
r17555 | moritz++ | * testing :ignorecase for greek chars
r17555 | moritz++ | * :basechar tests
diff: dev.pugscode.org/changeset/17555
lambdabot Title: Changeset 17555 - Pugs - Trac
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pugs_svnbot r17556 | moritz++ | added first repetion modifier tests 21:50
diff: dev.pugscode.org/changeset/17556
lambdabot Title: Changeset 17556 - Pugs - Trac
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GeJ Good M􏿽xF8􏿽xF8se all 22:54
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wolverian that isn't utf8 methinks 22:59
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allbery_b it worked here and I should be set to utf8 23:09
λ 23:10
wolverian most likely your client recoded it. mine is picky for some reason 23:12
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Limbic_Region hey TimToady - how was Vienna 23:46
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