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| spinclad | good moosetime(), all | 07:42 | |
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| fglock | kp6 works fine with perl5.10.0-RC2 :) | 12:02 | |
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| elmex | hmm, whats up with perl6 at the moment? is there still lots of work going into PUGS? is there an efford for the final implementation ontop of parrot? | 12:21 | |
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| moritz_ | elmex: currently the most effort is on kp6 and parrot | 12:42 | |
| elmex | kp6? oh | 12:43 | |
| ah, ok, got it, thanks for the info | 12:45 | ||
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| moritz_ | nqp: say("hi"); | 13:05 | |
| exp_evalbot | OUTPUT[src/pmc_freeze.c:1254: failed assertion 'must_have_seen'Backtrace - Obtained 19 stack frames (max trace depth is 32). Parrot_print_backtrace Parrot_confess (unknown) (unknown) (unknown) (unknown) Parrot_thaw | ||
| ..PackFile_Constant_unpack_pmc PackFile_Con... | |||
| moritz_ | woops | ||
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| pugs_svn | r19007 | fglock++ | [kp6] - remove Data::Dump::Streamer dependency; | 13:47 | |
| r19007 | fglock++ | - moved t/kp6/internals to t/kp6-internals - Coro.pm is now really optional | |||
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| pugs_svn | r19008 | fglock++ | [kp6-kp6] updated t-bootstrap/02-grammar.t | 13:57 | |
| moritz_ | fglock: should t-bootstrap/02-grammar.t pass? | 14:01 | |
| fglock | moritz_: not yet, I'm adding failing tests as the previous ones get fixed | 14:02 | |
| moritz_ | fglock: ok... only the first test passes for me | 14:05 | |
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| pugs_svn | r19009 | fglock++ | [kp6-kp6] one more test passes, but then "Segmentation fault" | 14:11 | |
| fglock | moritz_: I'm now testing with both 5.8.8 and 5.10.0rc2 | ||
| 5.10 has better error handling: "EVAL without pos change exceeded limit in regex at compiled/perl5-kp6-kp6/lib/KindaPerl6/Grammar/Term.pm line 890." | 14:12 | ||
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| pugs_svn | r19010 | fglock++ | [kp6-perl5] use an alternate hack for shortcircuiting | 16:08 | |
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| pmurias | fglock: is it easier for you to have the 02-grammar in p5 than in p6? | 16:47 | |
| fglock | pmurias: yes, because I need it to be executed by kp6-kp6, which can't compile yet | 16:48 | |
| pmurias | it needs to be executed by kp6 | 16:49 | |
| s/needs/can | |||
| s/executed/compiled/ | 16:50 | ||
| see t-bootstrap/02-grammar.p6 | |||
| fglock | hmm - that's right | ||
| pmurias | by easier i meant more convenient (i'm considering porting the changes to 02-grammar.p6) | 16:51 | |
| fglock | trying out... | 16:52 | |
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| fglock | pmurias: yes, that works :) | 16:55 | |
| pmurias | port the changes? | 16:56 | |
| jwest-- | is there any real use of asm anymore? | ||
| moritz_ | jwest--: are you talking about parrot assembler? | 16:57 | |
| I think it's mostly replaced by PIR these days | |||
| jwest-- | not parrot | 16:58 | |
| just asm in general | |||
| inline asm | |||
| moritz_ | in what? | ||
| the linux kernel uses inline ASM | 16:59 | ||
| jwest-- | a lot? | ||
| moritz_ | jwest--: not really | ||
| fglock | pmurias: sure | 17:00 | |
| moritz_ | a far friend of mine wrote a chess program, he used inline asm for some heavily used code | ||
| jwest-- | whycouldnt he have done that in c | 17:01 | |
| or lisp or something | |||
| pugs_svn | r19011 | fglock++ | [kp6-perl5rx] minor fix in Match.perl | ||
| moritz_ | jwest--: because asm can be faster, in some cases | 17:02 | |
| the two reasons for inline assembler are 1) speed 2) low level access | |||
| pmurias | one probably also uses assembler for writing shellcode | 17:03 | |
| jwest-- | i dont mind seeing a lot of assembly code | 17:05 | |
| really | |||
| fglock | pmurias: nevermind updating, I'll just use 02-grammar.p6 instead | ||
| jwest-- | just that i dont see it | ||
| pmurias | fglock: updated | 17:09 | |
| pugs_svn | r19012 | pmurias++ | [kp6] brought 02-grammar.p6 up to date with the p5 version | ||
| r19012 | pmurias++ | cosmetic change in Test | |||
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| pmurias | jwest--: you can always ask gcc to supply you with some/lots of with an appropriate compiler flag | 17:10 | |
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| jwest-- | heh | 17:11 | |
| pugs_svn | r19013 | fglock++ | [kp6-kp6] added instructions to t-bootstrap/02-grammar.p6; removed Perl 5 version | ||
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| dlocaus cries | 17:13 | ||
| my ubuntu boot disk crashed. | |||
| pmurias | dlocaus: got to use windows now? | 17:15 | |
| dlocaus | I have 2 machines. | ||
| I'm on the windows machine right now, the linux box is still searching for "harddisks and other hardware" | |||
| I see the HD light go on once in a while though. | 17:16 | ||
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| pmurias | fglock: it might be good to remove the "eval '$var'" odity | 17:26 | |
| fglock | pmurias: I don't think it works without that | ||
| it interpolates too early | |||
| pmurias | fglock: i don't think the eval can help anything | 17:33 | |
| it might me able to hide errors | |||
| if an undeclared lexical variable is used | |||
| giving a Segfault here | 17:35 | ||
| fglock | fixed :) | ||
| pugs_svn | r19014 | fglock++ | [kp6-perl5rx] fixed a segfault (uninitialized sub-regex) | 17:36 | |
| moritz_ | are BEGIN blocks in kp6 really executed at compile time? | 17:37 | |
| pmurias | moritz_: yes | ||
| at parse time exactly | 17:38 | ||
| moritz_ | so a program 'BEGIN { say "foo" }' prints something at compile time, and does nothing at execution time? | ||
| that's cool, actually ;) | |||
| pugs_svn | r19015 | fglock++ | [kp6-kp6] t-bootstrap/02-grammar.p6 - fixed test #4 | 17:40 | |
| gaal | BEGIN { $compilation_time = time }, yes. | 17:41 | |
| pmurias | fglock: i think the eval can only introduce bugs by hiding the undeclared variable error | 17:42 | |
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| pmurias | s/introduce/hide/ | 17:44 | |
| fglock | pmurias: can you test without the eval? there are some old regex-recursion tests in misc/ | ||
| not sure if they still run | |||
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| pmurias | fglock: p6 tests? | 17:45 | |
| gaal | or should I say, my $parsed_at = BEGIN { time }; | ||
| pugs_svn | r19016 | fglock++ | [kp6] warn() returns a Perl 6 value | 17:46 | |
| fglock | moritz_: $ perl script/kp6 -Cperl5 -e ' BEGIN { warn "foo" } ' > compiled.pl | ||
| moritz_ | fglock: nice ;) | 17:48 | |
| fglock | pmurias: misc/token-test-recurse2.pl and others, it's assorted Perl 6 or Perl 5 | ||
| pugs_svn | r19017 | fglock++ | [kp6-kp6] one more test | 17:53 | |
| r19018 | pmurias++ | [kp6] the eval makes a difference here dunno why | 18:00 | ||
| pmurias | fglock: please check the file i commited | 18:01 | |
| fglock | k | ||
| pmurias | eval '$var' and $var behave differently | ||
| fglock | I don't know - how about asking in the p5p irc? | 18:05 | |
| I should add more "why" docs in my code | 18:07 | ||
| moritz_ | well, eval '$var' returns the content of $var, while eval $var evals it, and returns the result | ||
| or did I miss something? | 18:08 | ||
| pmurias | moritz_: it's eval '$var' versus $var | ||
| moritz_ | pmurias: uhm, ok | ||
| context? | |||
| maybe eval '$var' always forces scalar context | |||
| pmurias | eval '$var' is undef the first time | 18:11 | |
| [particle] | pugs: say +"123.45" | ||
| exp_evalbot | OUTPUT[123.45] | ||
| pmurias | fglock: the #p5p channel? | 18:12 | |
| fglock | yes | ||
| pmurias | i'm to tired now (long day of school) | ||
| visiting a friend& | |||
| fglock | pmurias: np :) | ||
| [particle] | pugs: @a = (1,2,3); say +@a; | 18:13 | |
| exp_evalbot | OUTPUT[***  Unexpected " =" expecting "::" Variable "@a" requires predeclaration or explicit package name at /tmp/orYlEN22Wo line 1, column 3] | ||
| [particle] | pugs: my @a = (1,2,3); say +@a; | 18:14 | |
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| dlocaus | my (linux) HD died, I'll be out for a while... /cries | 20:21 | |
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| mncharity | pugs: my B::x = 3; | 23:13 | |
| exp_evalbot | OUTPUT[***  Unexpected "=" expecting ":" or "(" at /tmp/UFCQiZVg9H line 1, column 9] | 23:14 | |
| mncharity | I couldn't remember, and was randomly curious, whether one can lexically scope variable names in non-local packages. | 23:15 | |
| pugs: package A {} my A::x = 3; | 23:16 | ||
| exp_evalbot | OUTPUT[***  Unexpected "=" expecting ":" or "(" at /tmp/8TvG9zWneX line 1, column 22] | ||
| mncharity | pugs: package A {}; my A::x = 3; | ||
| exp_evalbot | OUTPUT[***  Unexpected "=" expecting ":" or "(" at /tmp/yXn4aIuKUc line 1, column 23] | ||
| moritz_ | mncharity: it's "module" in p6, not "package" (iirc) | 23:17 | |
| pugs: module a {}; my $A::x=3; say $A::x; | 23:18 | ||
| exp_evalbot | OUTPUT[***  Unexpected "::x" expecting word character, "?", "!", trait, "=", infix assignment, term postfix or operator at /tmp/YTMLdVNNrD line 1, column 19] | ||
| moritz_ | pugs: module a { my $x}; say $a::x; | ||
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| moritz_ | pugs: module a { my $x = 3 }; say $a::x; | ||
| exp_evalbot | OUTPUT[] | ||
| TimToady | pugs: module a { our $x = 3 }; say $a::x | 23:19 | |
| exp_evalbot | OUTPUT[] | ||
| mncharity | I was thinking about namespaces, and wondered whether pugs could have an exposed api, where variable lookup is handled by a macro P6MOP::lookup(name) -> <whatever it is names are bound to>. Then users could lexically override name resolution. | ||
| moritz_ | that would allow all sort of hacks ;) | 23:20 | |
| mncharity | indeed :D | ||
| TimToady | see S10:84 | 23:21 | |
| mncharity | looking... | ||
| is there a copy of S10 somewhere with line numbers? :) | 23:22 | ||
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| moritz_ | mncharity: take a look at irc.pugscode.org | 23:24 | |
| mncharity: there the S10:84 directly links to the correct line ;) | |||
| thanks to agentzh++ who implemented the line anchors in the HTML files | 23:25 | ||
| mncharity | ooo, shiny | 23:26 | |
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| [particle] | pugs: say 7 +& +^1; | 23:32 | |
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| moritz_ | that syntax looks plain scary | 23:35 | |
| probably because the operation is scary as well ;) | |||
| TimToady | we're trying to punish bit twiddlers | ||
| moritz_ | whip the bit twiddlers! | 23:36 | |
| but I'm sure it'll allow great obfus | |||
| TimToady | "I feel bit-slapped!" | ||
| mncharity | what do we have for a p6 wiki? www.perlfoundation.org/perl6/index.cgi ? | 23:37 | |
| lambdabot | Title: Perl 6 / Perl 6 | ||
| mncharity | perl.net.au/wiki/Perl_6 perl6.cz/wiki/Perl_6_and_Parrot_links | 23:38 | |
| lambdabot | Title: Perl 6 - PerlNet | ||
| TimToady | there's also dev.pugscode.org/wiki/ | 23:40 | |
| lambdabot | Title: Pugs - Trac | ||
| TimToady | and www.perlfoundation.org/parrot/index.cgi | 23:42 | |
| lambdabot | Title: Parrot / Parrot | ||
| TimToady | pugs: say 7 +& -2 | 23:46 | |
| exp_evalbot | OUTPUT[6] | ||
| [particle] | lovely | ||
| TimToady | I suppose we could mention that Int assumes 2's complement arithmetic. | 23:47 | |
| [particle] | good idea. | 23:51 | |
| mncharity | I dropped the links as perl.net.au/wiki/Perl_6#Wikis (perl.net.au, unlike perfoundation.org, didn't require me to remember or create an account) | 23:56 | |
| lambdabot | Title: Perl 6 - PerlNet | ||
| mncharity | the one liner seems to be "perl.net.au is active, perlfoundation is official, pugscode is for pugs, perlfoundation.org/parrot/ is for parrot, and perl6.cz has some nice links". | 23:58 | |