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brainstorming lists: gist.github.com/203173 paste.lisp.org/display/88288 IRC logs: irclog.perlgeek.de/perl6book/today source: github.com/perl6/book/ Set by moderator on 20 October 2009. |
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| dalek | ok: c6e366b | duff++ | authors.pod: Minor reformatting, fill out my info |
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| ok: c40a907 | duff++ | src/preface.pod: Add an introductory paragraph and information on Perl 6 resources |
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| dalek | ok: c686798 | moritz++ | src/multi-dispatch.pod: [MMD] two small nits in PerlJam++'s excellent edits |
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| ok: 9a23084 | moritz++ | docs/announce/2009-10.html: [docs] HTML version of release announce |
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| dalek | ok: 4e17690 | masak++ | docs/announce/2009-10 (2 files): [docs/announce] slight polish on announcement - changed description of masak from 'first user' to 'frenetic' - 'chromatic' with a small 'C' -- trumps beginning of sentence by me |
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| masak | I'm very happy that someone actually created a Makefile. moritz_++ | 10:41 | |
| dalek | ok: 2ad2120 | masak++ | README: [README] minor grammar and link fixes |
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| ok: 41cd141 | masak++ | Makefile: [Makefile] removed incendiary comment |
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| masak manages to make book.pdf | 10:51 | ||
| wow, that is 24 pages of awesome. | |||
| immediate reactions: | 10:52 | ||
| * front page? | |||
| * contents? | |||
| * what do we do about the TODOs? do we fix them today? seems the equivalent of fudging tests would be to move the TODOs out of the text itself, in order not to disturb them flow of the text. | 10:53 | ||
| * an 'Acknowledgements' heading with no corresponding text under it looks worse than nothing at all. | 10:54 | ||
| * Page breaks after page 3, 4, 11, 12, 15, and 23 are a bit unfortunate. the others are fine. | 10:55 | ||
| * There's something mojibak-y going on with the footnotes at the end of page 8, at least with my LaTeX implementation. three inverted question marks around the '2' footnote in the text, and one inverted exclamation mark after each footnote at the bottom of the page. at the end of footnote 1 it says infix:¡~~ | 10:57 | ||
| hm, maybe best to fix the TODOs we can fix today, and leave the rest in place, all the while adding a 'this is a work in progress, we pray your indulgence with the TODO comments' in the Preface. does that sound sane? | 11:00 | ||
| moritz_ | masak: yes (to last question) | 11:07 | |
| mojibak in footnotes - I noticed that too | |||
| lines breaks - we don't care about that yet, IMHO | |||
| masak | good. I'll add a comment to the Preface. | ||
| page breaks. nod, I just noticed them. | |||
| moritz_ | erm yes, page breaks | 11:08 | |
| dalek | ok: 86b2f11 | masak++ | Makefile: [Makefile] parameterized inkscape executable correctly -- I did. I guess a Configure.pl step could be made to probe the system automatically, but the current setup works for now. |
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| moritz_ | maybe we can patch the LaTeX emitter to not break pages in verbatim environments | ||
| masak | there's something called minipages for that. | ||
| it may or may not be a good idea. | |||
| there are also modules for syntax highlighting which we might consider using. | 11:10 | ||
| moritz_ | I'd like that around short code examples | ||
| have 4 lines of code with a page break after two lines seems odd | |||
| if sombody finds a neat solution for that it would be great, but it's not high on my priority list for now | 11:12 | ||
| masak: the '# for stupid vim users:' was meant with a twinkle in the eye, because I managed to screw up the whitespaces in the Makefile first :-) | 11:13 | ||
| anyway, it's fine to remove it | |||
| and masak++ for lots of good commits | 11:15 | ||
| dalek | ok: 4dfe6b7 | masak++ | src/preface.pod: [preface] added explanation about TODOs |
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| ok: 33e9b83 | masak++ | src/preface.pod: [preface] de-capitalized parts of headings |
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| dalek | ok: d9314dd | duff++ | docs/announce/2009-10 (2 files): Minor grammatical nit |
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| moritz_ | any objections to me doing the release now(ish)? | 13:41 | |
| dalek | ok: a2ebb2a | moritz++ | docs/announce/2009-10 (2 files): [docs] download location in release announcement |
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| kthakore | hi | 15:58 | |
| moritz_ | greeetings | ||
| kthakore | Thank you for the book. | ||
| moritz_ | it's not really a book yet ;-) | 15:59 | |
| but you're welcome | |||
| kthakore | moritz_: I do not know if this was intended but the grammer in your post is not fitting for the book | ||
| :P | |||
| perlgeek.de/blog-en/perl-6/we-write...r-you.html | |||
| s/grammer/grammar | 16:00 | ||
| moritz_: but yeah. Can't wait for some awesome perl6 hackage! | |||
| moritz_ | not being a native English speaker (and my last lecture being about 7 years ago) I sometimes have problems with grammar :/ | 16:01 | |
| kthakore | moritz_: meh I don't care | ||
| moritz_ | I do | 16:02 | |
| kthakore | but I hard a time convincing my coworker to try too even look at the book | ||
| due to the blog post | |||
| moritz_ | well | ||
| kthakore | moritz_: oops not book | ||
| moritz_ | when it's (mostly) done we'll make more buzz, with correct grammar ;-) | ||
| kthakore | moritz_: ok great! | 16:03 | |
| moritz_ | then we'll also post to perlmonks, use.perl.org, perlbuzz, reddit, digg... you get it ;-) | ||
| kthakore | moritz_: the exact quote was like this "I am not going to read a book if the authors cannot even construct a sentence properly" | ||
| moritz_ | well, that's something I can understand very well | 16:04 | |
| but it doesn't trouble me too much, because in the end we will have editorial review | |||
| kthakore | moritz_: I am only telling because I care | ||
| moritz_ | thanks for the feedback! | 16:05 | |
| kthakore | moritz_: anyway thank you again! | ||
| moritz_: no problem. I am watching the repo on github. | |||
| moritz_: safe to say I will be trying out a lot of the examples | |||
| moritz_ | kthakore: if you find something that doesn't work and is not marked with a # TODO or # RAKUDO comment, please let us know | 16:06 | |
| kthakore | moritz_: I will send errata when I find it | ||
| moritz_: indeed | |||
| kthakore cannot wait to get Perl 6 SDL examples in there circa 2010-2011 | |||
| :) | 16:07 | ||
| moritz_ | we'll have to motivate Su-Shee to write that ;-) | ||
| kthakore | moritz_: well I will be groking SDL+Swig to get Parrot NCI generated mid 2010 | 16:08 | |
| moritz_: I will migrate SDL::Tutorial::Tetris then too | |||
| and Pong, and acme's bouncy | |||
| [particle] | isn't sdl already working with parrot? | ||
| kthakore | [particle]: not as well as it needs to | 16:09 | |
| [particle]: if we (perl5 sdl devs) can have XS bindings done with SWIG | |||
| [particle] | ah, yes, the old "for some value of working" | ||
| kthakore | and do SWIG + Parrot | ||
| [particle]: then we have a common code base | |||
| moritz_ | oh, and rakudo needs to be faster than today | 16:10 | |
| for a nice gaming experience | |||
| [particle] | moore's law will fix that :) | ||
| kthakore | [particle]: here is the exact converstation here irclog.perlgeek.de/parrot/2009-10-17#i_1612436 | 16:11 | |
| [particle]: dukeleto pointed me in that way | |||
| moritz_: ah but parrot is fast enough now so C libs + mostly Parrot + sprinkling of Rakudo may work! | 16:12 | ||
| [particle]: moritz_: I do not like predicting the future. But if I can get this redesign done for XS modules in Perl5 | 16:13 | ||
| I may get more developers interested in moving the design to SWIG interfaces | 16:14 | ||
| right now the design is ... well bad | |||
| moritz_: [particle]: if anyone is interested in gaming + Perl please send them our way (#sdl irc.perl.org) | 16:15 | ||
| ok I need to go back to hacking redesign bye! | 16:16 | ||
| [particle] | kthakore: will do. | ||
| kthakore | [particle]: btw I forgot to do shameless plug our code is here github.com/kthakore/SDL_perl | 16:22 | |
| :) | |||
| Coke | moritz_: I'm happy to help review for english sanity. | ||
| would forking and generating pull requests be the way to go? | 16:25 | ||
| moritz_ | Coke: commit directly | 16:40 | |
| Coke: tell my your github ID, and you'll get a commit bit | |||
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| dalek | ok: ac44502 | pmichaud++ | src/ (2 files): Fix a couple of noticed typos. |
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| ok: fa8e079 | pmichaud++ | src/grammars.pod: Another typo. |
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| [particle] | moritz_: hugme can handle that, no? | 16:55 | |
| moritz_ | [particle]: yes | 16:59 | |
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| Coke | moritz_: i iz coke | 18:01 | |
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| Coke | brb | 18:03 | |
| moritz_ | hugme: add coke to book | 18:04 | |
| hugme hugs coke. Welcome to book! | |||
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| Coke | eek. | 19:07 | |
| kthakore | hugme: I never got a hug ;( | 19:41 | |
| chromatic: hiya! | |||
| chromatic | hello | 19:43 | |
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| moritz_ | hugme: hug kthakore | 20:08 | |
| hugme hugs kthakore | |||
| kthakore | hugme: yay! | 20:22 | |
| chromatic: have you taken a peek at our redesign XS ? | |||
| chromatic | Haven't had time, sorry. | ||
| kthakore | chromatic: it is pretty neat! Case in point: github.com/kthakore/SDL_perl/commit...c69d411ddf | 20:23 | |
| chromatic: no problem | |||
| chromatic: I just want to show you that one thing | |||
| chromatic | Is that typemap magic? | 20:25 | |
| kthakore | chromatic: yup :) it is an O_OBJECT now | 20:26 | |
| chromatic | Looks great! | 20:27 | |
| kthakore | chromatic: I found a really old CPAN module that sorta had it working and after a lot of trial and mostly error | ||
| chromatic: it works!!!! | |||
| chromatic: I know right! That is a gem I will remember for a while | 20:28 | ||
| chromatic: Ask me again to explain typemap ( I should blog this XS ) later when you have time. | 20:29 | ||
| chromatic | Will do. | 20:30 | |
| kthakore | ok back to my dungeon read lair | ||
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| dalek | ok: 810f25c | moritz++ | src/regexes.pod: [RX] substitutions, lookahead |
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