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dalek book: 19a45cb | (Dean Serenevy)++ | bin/book-to-latex: 09:53
book: Properly render side bars.
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lucs Hola pronik. 17:34
moritz_ oh hai 17:42
lucs Hi moritz_. 17:46
I just pushed "layout-basic" branch for the book.
Email to follow shortly.
moritz_ lucs++ 17:47
lucs I was going to keep working on it for a while before pushing it, but seeing that you merged Dean S.'s sidebars prompted me to hurry up :-) 17:48
moritz_ sorry, didn't meant to put you under pressure 17:49
I just wanted to have the code in the 'main' branch that was used for the last release
lucs Bah, no problem -- it cuts down on my laziness :)
moritz_ what's the relation between layout-basics and latex-tweaking? 17:50
lucs They're similar -- explanations in the email. 17:51
moritz_ ok
lucs Do you happen yo have Dean Serenevy's email close? I'd like to CC: him.
moritz_ dean@serenevy.net 17:52
lucs Thanks.
moritz_ make[1]: Entering directory `/home/moritz/p6/book/build'
! Font \\zf@basefont=Inconsolata at 10.0pt not loadable: Metric (TFM) file or in
stalled font not found.
\\zf@fontspec ...ntname \\zf@suffix " at \\f@size pt \\unless \\ifzf@icu \\zf@set@...
l.21 \\setmonofont{Inconsolata}
a missing font I suppose?
lucs Yep.
Like "latex-tweaking", it needs a lot of stuff. 17:53
moritz_ tries texlive-fonts-extra
lucs The README mentions ubuntu packages that I believe supply what is needed.
Hopefully that's the one.
Hey, do you also happen to have PerlJam's address? 17:54
moritz_ just a sec...
lucs (I know his name, but no address close...)
moritz_ duff@pobox.com
lucs Danke.
moritz_ it's right in 'git log' :-)
lucs Oh, right :)
(mail sent) 18:01
pronik moritz_: you'd probably need ttf-inconsolata :) 18:07
but I remember taking that one out 18:08
lucs pronik: Which tt font do you recommend? 18:09
(Not TrueType, but "typewriter" :-) 18:10
(teletype?) 18:11
pronik that's a good question -- I've looking myself for a good alternative
DejaVu Mono didn't cut it because of french quotes
lucs Hard indeed to find good free fonts :/
MinionPro and what-was-the-other-one look pretty nice, but they're non-free, right? 18:12
pronik free to use, IIRC
come bundled with acrobat 18:13
MyriadPro is the other
lucs Right.
But can we publish something using them?
pronik I think so, even though I'd prefer not to
however, there are virtually no good fonts out there, so maybe we haven't got another chance
lucs FOr technical, or legal reasons? 18:14
pronik more like purity reasons
"we are all open-source" and that stuff
i.e. I wouldn't push for non-free fonts
lucs s/open-source/free/ </rms> 18:15
pronik but I personally wouldn't object either, as long as they're good looking
lucs I lean more towards your side too.
pronik ubuntu is gonna release some fonts soon, I wonder how they look in print 18:16
lucs (Note to self: cereal without enough milk tastes really dry :/ )
pronik lucs: so, onto your branch 18:17
I'
damn
you are going to send a mail about it, right?
lucs It's sent.
pronik ah, you did already
so, my points about that 18:19
lucs There were enough important changes compared to latex-tweaking that I though I might be better to make a new branch.
pronik agree on the syntax highlighting -- moritz_ and I wanted to try a hackaton to put perl6 support into pygments
footers and headers -- gotta look at them more carefully, no idea what happened there 18:20
cargo cult killing -- definitely for it :)
lucs :)
pronik makefile -- I'm not sure about this one. Generally a good idea, I normally use rubber for that, but rubber is a) python and b) doesn't support xetex 18:21
but it probably would be better to somehow link it to the upstream, so that we won't play catch-up
lucs I've been using that makefile for a while, it usually works well.
pronik but a low-prio for now, good that it's in there
test book -- great idea! 18:22
smart quotes -- I think I had them already, probably got lost with the cargo cult
lucs (I also had to tweak the makefile to use xetex, so I may have broken it a bit -- nothing obvious though.)
pronik and I'm also still completely unsure why we need same page numbering for letter and a4 18:23
same inner page dimensions will look wrong in both a4 and letter. And besides -- what if we introduce a a5 format?
lucs Well, basically just so if someone says something like "I don't understand the code on page 42", everyon is on the same page. 18:24
pronik is "I don't understand the code in listing 5.12" better?
lucs But yes, it's true, we end up with suboptimal dimensions in all paper sizes like that.
You know, I was thinking that one format that might really benefit from improvement is the HTML. 18:26
Not too many people will actually be printing a work-in-progress book, will they?
pronik how many people would read a wip book anyway? ;)
But I'd prefer a PDF version, mostly because pod2html formatting uses the whole page width, which is rather painful to read 18:27
lucs Well, at least it's cheap if it's just on the computer screen :)
Yeah, it would be nice to have an improved pod2html with css possibilities.
pronik my build fails at hyperref :(
I've been thinking about extending Pod::Elemental to support PseudoPod 18:28
lucs Oh, strange. You have hyperred in latex-tweaking.
pronik I think it's more future-proof than current Pod::PseudoPod patching und subclassing
lucs Er, hyperref
Ah. (never looked at Pod::Elemental) 18:29
I was thinking that we could have different rendering mechanisms by keeping all the LaTeX stuff in different branches (for example, layout-basic, layout-verywide, layout-tinypaper, whatever) which could be rebased onto master, where the authors just update the src/ directory. 18:31
(Note that I took out LaTeX stuff from latex-tweaking's src/) 18:32
pronik moritz_ mentioned that chromatic was going to publish this book, so maybe it's time to ask chromatic how they are going to layout the whole thing 18:33
maybe staying with clean html is the better way, if chromatic just layouts everything with (let's say) Scribus 18:34
lucs And maybe the publisher can supply us with shiny fonts :)
pronik I'd prefer PrinceXML anyway, but it's not free in any definition of "free"
but let's reiterate: if we put back headers and footers and throw out the paper dimensions (still leaving the possibility to choose paper size), we could merge this stuff to master, right? 18:37
then we can iteratively fix small problems like the tilde not showing etc
oh btw, maybe we could use the github issue tracker at last to note all of our visual problems 18:38
lucs Did you get it to build? 18:39
Note that it does have headers/footers, just not as nice as yours.
pronik yes and no -- your xelatex tweaks didn't seem to work so I built this whole thing manually 18:40
I'll look into patching it properly
lucs And about the page dimensions, I guess it's okay for them to be different for different paper sizes. but I believe latex-tweaking's text width is much too big. 18:41
Sorry about the build fail :( 18:42
I suppose it's not obvious what's wrong?
pronik mostly hyperref 18:43
because it sets pdflatex' options which are wrong for xelatex 18:44
code.google.com/p/latex-makefile/is...tail?id=67
first thing we need to do is to introduce a Makefile.ini ;) 18:45
lucs I wonder how come I don't have any problems... 18:46
moritz_ hm, now I get 18:51
--- Using incorrect driver for hyperref! ---
Using pdflatex: specify pdftex in the hyperref options (or leave it blank).
lucs Darn. I wonder what's different in my environment. 18:56
pronik moritz_: gonna fix that soon
lucs: it seems we can completely scrap our makefiles and use only the one by chris monson 18:57
lucs Well, I liked the idea of keeping control on the top level build (for html for example). 18:58
pronik ok, fair enough
lucs By the wat there are things I don't understand about CM's makefile, for example, it sometimes appears to rebuild the test book even though I'm asking for "make .../UsingPerl6.pdf". 19:00
s/wat/way/
(I did not have the patience to read the docs; lucs--) 19:01
pronik you should be doing make UsingPerl6.tex
or wait, scrap that :)
lucs Oh, that's done in our mak... Right :) 19:02
CM's makefile seems to do a lot without being asked for it, which is +- :)
pronik is back in 15 minutes 19:04
lucs Guys, I'll be leaving soon for the weekend (going to the country \\o/), so please do whatever you see fit with all this. 19:05
I guess the test book is the most interesting feature; the rest, you guys decide.
pronik will do :) 19:06
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