pugscode.org | temporary feather address: perl6.wall.org | sial.org/pbot/perl6 | ?eval [~] <m oo se> | We do Haskell, too | > reverse (show (scanl (*) 1 [1..] !! 4))
Set by allbery_b on 24 March 2007.
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TimToady geoffb: default is graphemes, but pugs currently does codepoints. 00:24
the pragmas are probably "use codes" and "use graphs"
to go with "use bytes" 00:25
geoffb TimToady: right, thanks 00:27
moritz pugs doesn't implement the "use {codes,graphs}" though 00:29
at least not now ;-)
TimToady it could be taught to treat 'use codes' as a no-op for futureproofing, I suppose 00:30
moritz when I define my own classes, how do I override how the stringify (or behave in arbitrary contexts)?
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polettix ?eval 2i 00:51
evalbot_r15829 0.0 + 2.0i
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sili inspects BRYCE W PORTER 04:52
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devbot6 planet6: Audrey Tang: YAPC::Asia Day 2 slides. <pugs.blogs.com/pugs/2007/04/yapcasi..._.html> 05:42
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gaal teaching pugs to noop 'use codes' is simply 'touch lib/codes.pm', no? 05:54
(as a noop) 05:55
audreyt sure. 05:56
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fridim Hi there. 07:26
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moritz hi 07:27
fridim Is there an editor which supports perl6 syntax for color? 07:28
integral look in the pugs source tree at util/perl6.vim if you use vim 07:29
moritz fridim: vim
fridim thanks.
moritz if not, write a syntax file for $yourFavoriteEditor and commit it ;-) 07:30
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moritz pugs> ?"/etc/passwd" ~~ :e 07:33
Bool::False
that's... astonishing
;-)
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lumi_ ) 08:05
moritz *g*
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devbot6 dev: Ticket #14 (enhancement updated): More information in pugs -V output. <dev.pugscode.org/ticket/14#comment:1> 08:41
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moritz is the construct 'want ~~ Num' supported? 09:34
?eval sub f { return "foo" if want~~Str; return 42 if want~~Num; return "blubb";} say f; say ~f; say +f; 09:35
evalbot_r15829 OUTPUT[fooā¤fooā¤0ā¤] Bool::True
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lumi_ Is parrot a dependency for pugs? 09:42
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moritz lumi: only if you compile it to embed parrot 09:43
s/lumi/lumi_/ # sorry ;-)
pasteling "evalbot_r15829" at 194.145.200.126 pasted "Pugs build failure" (10 lines, 418B) at sial.org/pbot/24012
lumi But otherwise not, right?
svnbot6 r15830 | moritz++ | t/builtins/want.t: want.Item -> want.item, want.List -> want.list
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moritz lumi: right 09:44
lumi moritz: I changed my nick, sorry for the confusion :)
moritz lumi: ok ;-)
moritz ignores nick changes and other stuff
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svnbot6 r15831 | unobe++ | * Stab @ closing Trac ticket #14: Configuration variables 10:49
r15831 | unobe++ | * removed variables: archname, bin, exe_ext, installarchlib, installprivlib, installsitearch, installsitelib, pager, prefix, scriptdir
r15831 | unobe++ | * can easily be put back in: look at t/unspecced/config.t and util/PugsConfig.pm
r15831 | unobe++ | * added variables: cc, embedded, ghc, regex_engine, uname (uses POSIX::uname), perl5_path (was perl5path)
r15831 | unobe++ | * updated t/unspecced/config.t
r15831 | unobe++ | * changed lib/Perl6/MakeMaker.pm, inc/Module/Install/Pugs.pm, and util/PugsConfig.pm to allow build arguments to Makefile.PL
r15831 | unobe++ | * Makefile.PL now generates current.build.yml to store build info for util/PugsConfig.pm to load on subsequent calls
riffraff hiĆ¹ 10:50
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devbot6 dev: Ticket #14 (enhancement closed): More information in pugs -V output. <dev.pugscode.org/ticket/14#comment:2> 10:51
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lichtkind Leibsle: servs 11:51
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spinclad hi all 13:43
moritz hi spinclad, hi * ;-)
spinclad i'm trying to svn switch from svn.openfoundry.org to svn.pugscode.org: 13:44
Thu Apr 05 09:12:09 12$ svn switch --relocate svn.openfoundry.org/pugs svn.pugscode.org/pugs
lambdabot Title: Revision 15820: /
spinclad svn: The repository at 'svn.pugscode.org/pugs' has uuid '12242aa7-dc21-0410-817b-c41c31cd50c7', but the WC has 'c213334d-75ef-0310-aa23-eaa082d1ae64'
is that anything like how i should do this? 13:45
moritz spinclad: do you have significant changes in your local svn copy?
spinclad hi moritz
moritz spinclad: if not, just rm -rf it, and do a new checkout
spinclad: or you could try --no-auth-cache (just a guess) 13:46
spinclad possibly a few in my third-party/judy stuff from last year; i'll just save that and check out fresh as you say. 13:47
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spinclad thanks 13:47
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Leibsle lichtkind, guguck :) 14:58
lichtkind ahh
Leibsle lichtkind, sorry for my delayed reaction. been a bit busy lately
lichtkind nop
Leibsle lichtkind, how is your perl fetish doing? :P
lichtkind du bist wo du bist :)
what do you mean? 14:59
Leibsle well. you even write wiki articles about perl. so you must have a fetish :P
maybe similar to buu and his bot fetish :) 15:01
Leibsle covers
lichtkind its a kind of fetish true but i make it for fun fetish is always an action done instead of a true longing 15:02
Leibsle you are right. i might better speak of "fascination" instead of a "fetish" 15:03
lichtkind Leibsle: but you are partially right if i know there is something to do and i want to be busy i do write in wikipedia :) 15:14
but i love the way of thinking behind perl yes
Leibsle wants to hire lichtkind fōæ½xFCr einen 1 euro job :P
lichtkind why?
Leibsle cause i need lots of help with my poor perl skills 15:15
i would like to port a project
moritz what kind of project? 15:16
Leibsle a community portal
lichtkind we have already perl monks 15:17
and perl-community.de
Leibsle its licenced under BSD with the advertising clause. so i would have to spam for the community that made it. but the community stinks. its full of abusive, immature criminals
not a perl community, a community for general topics also 15:18
lichtkind its human :)
aah
moritz lumi: porting communitity portal = porting the software that drives the portal? *g*
sorry, Leibsle, not lumi
Leibsle i wonder what could happen to me if i use a software licenced under the old BSD license and break the advertising clause 15:19
moritz there are far too many nicks here that start with l ;-)
Leibsle moritz, yep
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patfr ok! :P 15:19
ewww. 3 nicks with "pa" and 2 with "pat"
moritz patfr: that's bad ;-)
we should introduce prefix free nick dispatching or something ;-) 15:20
patfr yep
how about OwlEye? 15:21
moritz 12 nicks starting with m, only one with "mo" - yes ;-)
can nicks start with a number? 15:22
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moritz would like his name to /kick 15:22
or /ban
;-)
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\kick\ban :P 15:23
moritz \kick\ban: wrong slashes ;-)
\kick\ban pft :P
moritz today's build system changes (pugs) completely broke the building of debian packages 15:25
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OwlEye brb 15:30
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OwlEye hugs lichtkind 15:40
lichtkind OwlEye: leibsle?
OwlEye yep!
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lichtkind OwlEye: weise wie ne eule? 15:53
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OwlEye lichtkind, will ich sein. ja :D 15:55
moritz
.oO(um dann Eulen anch Athen tragen zu kƶnne?)
 15:56
lichtkind moritz: ich trage leibsle nirgends hin 15:57
moritz ;-) 15:59
OwlEye bin auch zu schwer! 16:01
OwlEye is an Owl with a big belly
counting 190 pounds 16:02
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lichtkind :) 16:19
OwlEye :) 16:24
for some mysterious reason, the old TV card's BT878 chip messes with NIC chipsets like DEC41113 and RTL80129. after some time of watching TV the NICs go dead 16:25
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allbery_b interrupts? 16:32
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OwlEye nope, linux seems to handle them properly 16:35
lichtkind OwlEye: what exactly community sites you plan ? 16:36
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OwlEye something social, something positive, something with structure but still allowing freedom 16:40
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lichtkind OwlEye: even esoteric? 17:31
OwlEye lichtkind, not that free! :P 17:32
just kidding
i would not mind if people open esoteric channels as long as they manage them in a social and peaceful way 17:33
lichtkind i mean esoteric not in the sense od secracy
most esos i know are very peacefull
its more the that scientologist who start the fights 17:34
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lichtkind OwlEye: you have to come to wikipedia to see this, several people become really aggressive in irrational when you express yourself as alternative to what they think is science in any way 17:44
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OwlEye lichtkind, i can only copy that for _every_ group of people that is bigger than 2 people 17:52
lichtkind OwlEye: its not that simple because people who refuse to think for themself or not have courage enough to stand for themself obviously flow in mainstream 17:54
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lichtkind audreyt: are you back? 17:55
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OwlEye lichtkind, its not the "thinking" that is the problem. its an emotional thing. if something differs from the own opinion, their entire universe gets in unballance. and it makes them violent 17:57
lichtkind OwlEye: true but iy your concise enough about the true reasonse of your believe its easier to understand and accept other concepts and perceptions 17:58
s/iy/if/
OwlEye lichtkind, i think it depends a lot on your self confidence, if you are able to allow different concepts in life than your own one 17:59
lichtkind OwlEye: yeah thats another aspekt of that
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moritz www.dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/arch...70313.html <-- that fits very well to your discussion ;-) 18:02
lambdabot Title: Dilbert Comic Strip Archive - Dilbert.com - The Official Dilbert Website by Scot ..., tinyurl.com/22kdns
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lichtkind its a bit hidden agression in ignoring people, i prefer to understand :) 18:04
moritz ;-) 18:05
lichtkind :)
moritz has accepted that he can't understand most people (and quantum mechanics ;-) 18:06
lichtkind OwlEye: its also the way of contemplation, if your more an exclusivly rational is for you we agains them, but thats is illusion since i never was anti science
OwlEye: im pro science understood right 18:07
moritz: you can understand anything you like just let it happen :)
moritz lichtkind: maybe you can, but I can't ;-)
lichtkind moritz: wheres the difference between us? 18:08
moritz lichtkind: I don't know... I don't understand you ;-)
lichtkind haha
moritz lichtkind: no, honestly.. if you mean "be able to reproduce it" by "understanding", I can understand most stuff 18:09
lichtkind moritz: no i mean understand in the way that you really grok it
moritz but I think I'll never know _why_ an electron is wave and particle at the same time - although I know that it must be that way
OwlEye scratches head 18:10
lichtkind moritz: i can tell you :) 18:12
moritz lichtkind: really? go right ahead 18:13
lichtkind moritz: only scientist who dont fully understand use 2 models prallel :)
all is energy
but its organized in several steps 18:14
its like when you ride into atoms
quarks strings and so on
thtas all models
buts in facts its all geometra
geometry
moritz is it all energy, or all geometry? 18:15
moritz is confused
lichtkind simple rules but the whole is still to complex to be full understood by scientist, gallileo understood a good portion
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lichtkind sorry i vant type so much 18:16
moritz ;-)
lichtkind maybe we meet at perl workshop or so
moritz personally I think that the universe can't be explained only by simple rules because it _is_ not simple 18:17
lichtkind but in the end its all about geometry and dimensions
mathematicans call it algebraism
modern M-Theory speaks about up to 27 dimensions 18:18
thats is really heavvy
sometimes i think i can understand 5 dimentions
[particle] she's not heavy, she's my universe.
moritz lichtkind: just think of it as "n dimensions", and then project it down to 3+1
lichtkind [particle]: what your talking about ? 18:19
[particle] nm
lichtkind moritz: no thats cheating :)
moritz lichtkind: but it helps ;-) 18:20
lichtkind [particle]: i thought your talking about a woman :)
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moritz lichtkind: you don't really think that the guys working on that theory can visualize >10 dimensions? dimensions are just another parameter to them - but an important one 18:21
autark www.tenthdimension.com/flash2.php
lambdabot Title: Imagining the Tenth Dimension - A Book by Rob Bryanton
lichtkind moritz: of course that all faces dont seems that smart :) 18:22
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lichtkind autark: thanks 18:23
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lichtkind autark: i know that ss theorie speaks from 10 dimension but gravity still makes trouble :) 18:34
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gnuvince Reddit people, show some love for audreyt: programming.reddit.com/info/1fkt3/comments 19:37
lambdabot Title: YAPC::Asia 2007 Jifty presentation by audreyt (delivered by Jesse Vincent) (470 ...
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svnbot6 r15832 | unobe++ | * added config vars back (probably what broke building debian packages for moritz, but didn't see any usage of them under debian/) 19:42
devbot6 dev: Ticket #14 (enhancement reopened): More information in pugs -V output. <dev.pugscode.org/ticket/14#comment:3> 19:45
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OwlEye lichtkind, you there? 23:18
lichtkind no
OwlEye haha
lichtkind ups
whazzap? 23:19
OwlEye buubot, eval: 1+1 23:22
buubot 2
OwlEye lichtkind, see
just cant make up smart perl code to test :P 23:23
lichtkind buubot: eval: [+] 3,4,5
buubot Number found where operator expected at eval line 1, near "] 3" (Missing operator before 3?) Error: syntax error at eval line 1, near "+]"
lichtkind its perl5
moritz buubot: eval while(fork()) { fork() } 23:24
no answer...
lichtkind manno 23:25
moritz buubot: eval system "cat /etc/passwd"
lichtkind: you won't say that it's an unsecured eval()?
lichtkind moritz: no i wanted say that OwlEye wont be pleased when somebody chrashes his server again 23:26
OwlEye buubot is not on my server :) master buu owns it
snoop0x7b lichtkind: is that eval really... uh... that ... bad? 23:27
that it will do anything anyone wants
moritz buubot: eval 1
buubot ?eval 1 = 7;
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evalbot_r15831 Error: Can't modify constant item: VInt 1 23:27
lichtkind snoop0x7b: ask OwlEye , its his bot
snoop0x7b 19:24 < moritz> buubot: eval while(fork()) { fork() } 23:28
OwlEye lichtkind, no no. its not mine. i made a copy of it once. but buubot is buu's bot
snoop0x7b well since it's still alive
it didn't do that
:p
probably anyhow
moritz snoop0x7b: I noticed that
snoop0x7b :P
lichtkind yes
moritz buubot: eval system("pwd") 23:29
snoop0x7b buubot: eval system("ls")
moritz it seems to have at least a bit security built in
buubot: eval print join ",", @INC; 23:30
snoop0x7b buubot: eval print "I'm ugly"
moritz seems like buubot ignores me... for good reaseon
snoop0x7b ?eval print "moo" 23:31
evalbot_r15831 OUTPUT[moo] Bool::True
snoop0x7b apparently that eval bot likes me
:p
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moritz snoop0x7b: that should be "moose", though ;-) 23:32
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unobe hi moritz 23:49
is debian package building again?
moritz unobe: I haven't updated yet, but I manged to build 15831 - although I don't know what went wrong in the first place 23:51
unobe: tomorrow I'll build HEAD and tell you again, now I'm off for sleep++ ;-) 23:52
sorry for the fuzz
unobe alright, sleep well 23:54

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