🦋 Welcome to the IRC channel of the core developers of the Raku Programming Language (raku.org #rakulang). This channel is logged for the purpose of history keeping about its development | evalbot usage: 'm: say 3;' or /msg camelia m: ... | Logs available at irclogs.raku.org/raku-dev/live.html | For MoarVM see #moarvm Set by lizmat on 8 June 2022. |
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Geth | roast: 86ff4afae0 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | 15 files Update .pl extension to .raku And update all references to it |
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Geth | roast: 52b5d46895 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | S32-list/minmax.t Add testing adverbs on .min / .max |
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Geth | rakudo/main: 5379483368 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | src/core.c/List.pm6 ().sort(:k) should return () not Empty |
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rakudo/main: c5cc267547 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | src/core.c/Any-iterable-methods.pm6 Make sure sub versions of min/max handle adverbs |
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roast: c5faa1259f | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | S32-list/sort.t Add tests for List.sort(:k) |
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roast: da720c14f9 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | S32-list/minmax.t Add tests for sub min/max with adverbs |
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Geth | rakudo/main: e0a882f07d | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | src/core.c/Any-iterable-methods.pm6 Make sure sub sort takes named args and passes them on |
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roast: 47d6390872 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | S32-list/sort.t Add tests for sub sort(:k) |
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lizmat | does anybody have any idea why we have WHAT/HOW/VAR as subs (macro), but not WHERE/WHICH/WHO ? | 18:05 | |
m: WHO | |||
camelia | ===SORRY!=== Argument to "WHO" seems to be malformed at <tmp>:1 ------> WHO⏏<EOL> Undeclared name: WHO used at line 1 Other potential difficulties: Function "WHO" may not be called without arguments (please use … |
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lizmat | m: WHICH | 18:06 | |
camelia | ===SORRY!=== Argument to "WHICH" seems to be malformed at <tmp>:1 ------> WHICH⏏<EOL> Undeclared name: WHICH used at line 1 Other potential difficulties: Function "WHICH" may not be called without arguments (ple… |
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lizmat | m: WHERE | ||
camelia | ===SORRY!=== Argument to "WHERE" seems to be malformed at <tmp>:1 ------> WHERE⏏<EOL> Undeclared name: WHERE used at line 1 Other potential difficulties: Function "WHERE" may not be called without arguments (ple… |
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lizmat | m: WHERE() | ||
camelia | ===SORRY!=== Error while compiling <tmp> Undeclared name: WHERE used at line 1 |
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Geth | rakudo: lizmat++ created pull request #5336: Add sub versions of WHERE WHICH WHO |
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rakudo/lizmat-WHERE-WHICH-WHO: 991678cd4f | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | 10 files Add sub versions of WHERE WHICH WHO They seem to have been forgotten, but are actually mentioned in some error messages. Feels they should be added for completeness sake. Also adapts tests accordingly. |
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[Coke] | m: WHO 1 | 20:03 | |
camelia | ===SORRY!=== Error while compiling <tmp> Undeclared name: WHO used at line 1 |
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[Coke] | ...whoops, that was a pr | ||
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ab5tract | hmmm... this seems odd to me: | 21:55 | |
m: my @a = 1, 3, 5; say @a[^3] eqv |@a | |||
camelia | False | ||
ab5tract | m: my @a = 1, 3, 5; say [@a[^3]] eqv @a | ||
camelia | True | ||
ab5tract | I guess because in the first case one is a list and the other is a slip? | 21:56 | |
m: my @a = 1, 3, 5; say @a[^3] ~~ |@a | |||
camelia | True | ||
nemokosch | the latter is crystal clear | ||
ab5tract | m: my @a = 1, 3, 5; say @a[^3] ~~ @a | ||
camelia | True | ||
nemokosch | the former is, uh... | ||
ab5tract | I don't play much with eqv, probably its just me | 21:57 | |
nemokosch | I don't think so, it's not clear at all what it does | ||
ab5tract | m: my @a = 1, 3, 5; say @a[^3] eqv @a.list | 21:58 | |
camelia | False | ||
ab5tract | m: my @a = 1, 3, 5; say @a[^3] eqv @a.Seq | ||
camelia | False | ||
nemokosch | github.com/rakudo/rakudo/blob/2023...e.pm6#L115 | ||
they are apparently mandated to be the same type | 21:59 | ||
okay, it makes some sense - but given that they are the same interface, not so much | |||
after a very exhaustive 15 seconds of thinking, I think it's better the way it is | 22:01 | ||
ab5tract | m: my @a = 1, 3, 5; say @a[^3].WHAT; say @a.list.WHAT | ||
camelia | (List) (Array) |
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ab5tract | m: my @a = 1, 3, 5; say @a[^3].WHAT; say @a.List.WHAT | ||
camelia | (List) (List) |
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ab5tract | okay, not sure what .list is for anymore :) | 22:02 | |
yeah, for eqv I think it makes sense | |||
nemokosch | First, I think it's really not nice that something that succeeds on a List typecheck, still gets changed when .List is called on it | ||
This causes trouble with Allomorphs | 22:03 | ||
ab5tract | hmmm, yeah, that's a fair point | ||
nemokosch | you can have fake Ints that pass all your type checks but aren't === (probably not even eqv) with an Int | ||
m: my Int $funky = <5>; say $funky.Int === $funky; say $funky.Int eqv $funky | 22:04 | ||
Raku eval | False False | ||
nemokosch | there | ||
because .Int turns it into the real number 5 | |||
second, I always get mixed up in this but .list is actually the @ contextualizer | 22:05 | ||
it's what @(foobar) would also call | |||
ab5tract | ah | ||
nemokosch | and it's the reason why a lot of non Listy, possibly not even Iterable types (like Buf and Blob) can behave like lists | 22:06 | |
Any exposes almost the whole List (Array, even) interface and implements it as .list.that-method-call | 22:07 | ||
I can't miss saying that this is quite a troubling situation; the very bulky Any that provides almost everything from certain classes but not quite, and that ad-hoc types that happen to implement .list will magically behave like @ context candidates... | 22:09 | ||
but on the prescriptive end of things, it is just how it is | |||
*descriptive | |||
Freudian slip | |||
ab5tract | :) | 22:11 | |
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