| 8 Jan 2026 | |||
| patrickb | the undeclared routines are what I see as well. that's caused by that "*.&method-name()" syntax. | 05:43 | |
| timo | to be fair, `*.&method-name()` is not a syntax we have to my knowledge? we do have `*."$method-name"()` though | 07:57 | |
| ShimmerFairy | m: sub foo(Int $a) { $a * 2 }; say 42.&foo; say "ABC".&foo | 09:05 | |
| camelia | 84 Type check failed in binding to parameter '$a'; expected Int but got Str ("ABC") in sub foo at <tmp> line 1 in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1 |
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| ShimmerFairy | timo: it does exist, at least for using subs as if they were methods | ||
| timo | ok, but then i wouldn't call that "&method-name" | 09:06 | |
| patrickb | github.com/ugexe/zef/blob/main/lib...kumod#L343 | 10:09 | |
| that's one of the places. It does work on the legacy compiler. | 10:10 | ||
| timo | do we not have that tested in roast, or is that just marked todo? | 10:16 | |
| melezhik | . | 12:18 | |
| lizmat | dev.to/lizmat/raku-resolutions-17g7 | 13:19 | |
| Geth | nqp/main: 6eb71d27b0 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | tools/templates/MOAR_REVISION Bump MoarVM to get timo++'s alignment fix |
13:33 | |
| rakudo/main: fb0142fe54 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | tools/templates/NQP_REVISION Bump NQP to get timo++'s MoarVM alignment fix |
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| lizmat | fwiw, it feels like it's gotten about 5% slower after this :-( | 14:06 | |
| at least on MacOS | |||
| (without JIT) | 14:07 | ||
| timo | that's odd, as this would only impact the spesh thread itself, which runs in parallel to the actual program | 14:17 | |
| lizmat | ok, let me rephrase: profiled code appears to be working about 5% slower | 14:18 | |
| would that make sense? | |||
| timo | that is also strange | 14:19 | |
| lizmat | well, again, this is on MacOS on Apple sillicon, so no JIT | ||
| timo | the only user of the region alloc is spesh | 14:21 | |
| whether jit or not should not matter. the region alloc's main feature is that once spesh is done with a given function the whole region is thrown away at once | 14:23 | ||
| lizmat | ok, well maybe my CPU is getting pinched somehow | 14:24 | |
| [Coke] | releasable6: next | 14:41 | |
| releasable6 | [Coke], Next release in ≈9 days and ≈4 hours. There are no known blockers. 8 out of 12 commits logged | ||
| [Coke], Details: gist.github.com/330e80eb39d27d4ef6...327aeb5854 | |||
| timo | lizmat: we need to find you something that uses performance counters or something like `perf stat` does so you don't get misleading results from other processes interfering, or something like that | 17:05 | |
| can't seem to find anything that's like `perf stat` as in "run it with your command and immediately see some stats", the closest you can get is apparently to create a trace file with either microsoft's xctrace for apple or with apple's own `instruments` CLI tool (not to be confused with the GUI tool of the same name that does the same thing but not on the CLI) and then feeding the trace file into | 17:25 | ||
| an analysis step | |||
| ab5tract | m: Q|sub foo($s) { "foo " ~ $s }; [1,2,3].map: { *.&foo.say }|.AST.EVAL | 17:32 | |
| camelia | ( no output ) | ||
| ab5tract | m: sub foo($s) { "foo " ~ $s }; [1,2,3].map: { *.&foo.say } | ||
| camelia | ===SORRY!=== Error while compiling <tmp> Malformed double closure; WhateverCode is already a closure without curlies, so either remove the curlies or use valid parameter syntax instead of * at <tmp>:1 ------> oo " ~ $s }; [1,2,3].map: { *.&foo.s… |
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| ab5tract | ahh, of course | 17:33 | |
| m: Q|sub foo($s) { "foo " ~ $s }; [1,2,3].map: *.&foo.say |.AST.EVAL | |||
| camelia | foo 1 foo 2 foo 3 |
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| ab5tract | So the syntax is fine. The issue is that those subs aren't lexically available | ||
| patrickb | Rewriting the zef sources to do `.map: { sub-name($_) }` instead makes it progress though. | 21:16 | |
| lizmat | .map(&sub-name) ??? | 22:24 | |
| timo | lizmat: only the same if sub-name only takes one argument, not sure if that's the case in the code in question | 22:42 | |
| lizmat | sub-name($_) appears to suggest that ? | ||
| timo | could have optional parameters | 22:54 | |
| lizmat | m: sub a($a, $b?) { $a * $a }; say (^10).map(&a) | 22:56 | |
| camelia | (0 4 16 36 64) | ||
| lizmat | that works, no ? | ||
| ah... ok | |||
| gotcha | |||
| 9 Jan 2026 | |||
| patrickb | github.com/ugexe/zef/blob/main/lib...kumod#L343 this is one of the places with that code | 08:34 | |