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Set by lizmat on 8 June 2022.
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releasable6 Next release in ≈6 days and ≈15 hours. There are no known blockers. Please log your changes in the ChangeLog: github.com/rakudo/rakudo/wiki/ChangeLog-Draft 03:00
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Geth rakudo/main: f651e9d62d | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | 2 files
Document and streamline raku-bind-assert dispatcher
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rakudo/main: 5dd908604b | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | docs/dispatchers.md
Clarify any extra arguments on boot-constant dispatcher
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[Tux] Rakudo v2023.12-62-g5dd908604 (v6.d) on MoarVM 2023.12-14-gc3fea4f58
csv-ip5xs0.269 - 0.270
csv-ip5xs-201.198 - 1.202
csv-parser1.612 - 1.651
csv-test-xs-200.145 - 0.145
test2.018 - 2.024
test-t0.437 - 0.438
test-t --race0.289 - 0.299
test-t-205.363 - 5.483
test-t-20 --race1.313 - 1.354
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lizmat meh :-( 12:04
[Tux] meh as in? Did you hope for a speedup? 12:36
lizmat I didn't expect a significant loss 12:40
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Geth rakudo/main: 2e9c0cc144 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | 2 files
Document and streamline raku-is-attr-inited dispatcher
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[Tux] I'll kill out some processes and run it again later. Now still in a cpan security meeting 13:25
lizmat ack, thanks! 13:26
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Geth rakudo/main: 26ab5c21f1 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | 2 files
Document and streamline raku-sink dispatcher
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rakudo/main: 4dc737c30f | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | 2 files
Document and streamline raku-call dispatcher

Move from separate delegate calls with different names to a single one, adjusting name from default and adapting capture as needed.
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AlexDaniel jdv: re “hypthetically if the vm was written in $en_vogue_tech would it mean raku would be in a better place?” – I don't want to say that any action should be taken to rewrite something, but just to answer your question: Yes. There has been a lot of interest in Rust projects during the last few years, so having an actual and practical VM 15:31
would've gathered quite a lot of attention
lizmat would that also have meant people to do that transition, in your opinion ? 15:42
Geth rakudo/main: 62a6745260 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | 2 files
Document and streamline raku-meth-call dispatcher
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AlexDaniel lizmat: I'm not sure I understand the question. Usually it's the original devs themselves doing the transition, or another option is somebody else is doing a complete fork 15:53
it's true that moar was started before rust was hyped up enough so not using it in the first place wasn't a mistake or something 15:54
the question was more hypothetical, the practical reality is a bit more complex
lizmat indeed
because I don't see jnthn doing a Rust transition 15:55
jdv i just read an article thingee about the rust project suffering from a bunch of burnout 15:56
ai will be the end of it all anyway:)
lizmat yeah... it's quite common in these types of open source projects
AlexDaniel copilot actually helps a lot when writing rust :) 15:57
possibly the only case when I feel *significantly* slower without it
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librasteve anyone who would like a bit of Rust practice is welcome to join me and hack on raku Dan::Polars - imo that will soon cure any desire to rewrite moarvm in rust ;-) 16:17
otoh zig looks quite interesting though I have not really used it
there's a whole story in contrast raku vs rust as in 'can do' vs 'no can do' coding experiences 16:20
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Geth rakudo/main: 93c31ce924 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | 2 files
Streamline raku-meth-call-mega dispatcher

And remove reference of it from the documentation, as it is an internally used ony dispatcher		 16:32
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[Tux] Rakudo v2023.12-66-g62a674526 (v6.d) on MoarVM 2023.12-14-gc3fea4f58
csv-ip5xs0.271 - 0.279
csv-ip5xs-201.161 - 1.316
csv-parser1.542 - 1.544
csv-test-xs-200.142 - 0.142
test1.938 - 2.028
test-t0.429 - 0.431
test-t --race0.281 - 0.287
test-t-205.171 - 5.267
test-t-20 --race1.256 - 1.258
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releasable6 Next release in ≈5 days and ≈19 hours. There are no known blockers. Please log your changes in the ChangeLog: github.com/rakudo/rakudo/wiki/ChangeLog-Draft 23:00
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