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Set by lizmat on 8 June 2022.
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[Tux] Rakudo v2023.06-191-ge4b4bdeb5 (v6.d) on MoarVM 2023.06-4-g75fe055c2
csv-ip5xs0.816 - 0.852
csv-ip5xs-205.117 - 5.532
csv-parser4.138 - 4.738
csv-test-xs-200.341 - 0.350
test5.971 - 6.933
test-t1.289 - 1.399
test-t --race0.850 - 0.950
test-t-2020.885 - 21.498
test-t-20 --race5.909 - 6.291
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08-05 17:24:58 ā† I forgot to post, but Wendy noted the nice score 06:48
5 2022-08-15 19:32:17 test-t 1.335
4 2022-07-23 11:27:47 test-t 1.335
3 2022-10-31 18:23:22 test-t 1.332
2 2022-06-21 18:33:38 test-t 1.332
1 2023-08-05 17:35:40 test-t 1.289
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lizmat notable6: weekly 11:42
notable6 lizmat, 1 note: 2023-08-01T07:44:29Z <lizmat>: dev.to/finanalyst/rakudoc-revision...mment-4hjb
lizmat notable6: weekly reset
notable6 lizmat, Moved existing notes to ā€œweekly_2023-08-07T11:42:29Zā€
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lizmat and yet another Rakudo Weekly News hits the Net: rakudoweekly.blog/2023/08/07/2023-...doc-gamma/ 12:17
bisectable6: sub a() { dd CALLER::LEXICAL::<$a> }; my $a = 42; a 12:25
bisectable6 lizmat, Will bisect the whole range automagically because no endpoints were provided, hang tight
lizmat, Ā¦6c (68 commits): Ā«Int $a = 42ā¤Ā» 12:26
lizmat, Nothing to bisect!
lizmat meh
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Xliff Raku-GLib suite timing statistics for Raku 2023.06.194.ga.4.a.2.bbd.24.e 14:50
Using the following processor: AMD Ryzen 9 5950X 16-Core Processor
Total number of projects: 34 (506509 loc)
Total non-parallel compile times: 11094.810 (326.318 avg)
Total parallel compile times: 2341.308 (68.862 avg) 4.739x speedup
lizmat starts to wonder whether custom infixes really do need a slang, or that there could be a smarter way in RakuAST 17:52
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nemokosch do "custom infixes" need a slang currently? 18:03
lizmat internally they do, yes 18:08
which is e.g. why they don't work in the REPL
nine We mix into the grammar. Not sure that already constitutes a slang. 18:11
lizmat ok, well, it's lexical, so for all practical purposes it could be considered a slang, no ? 18:17
nine Even if, what's the consequence? 18:21
I.e. I see nothing wrong with that :)
lizmat mixing something into the grammar is a very CPU intensive and memory bloating operation
whereas when we encounter something in an infix position, we just need to make sure there's something valid there 18:22
and that lookup could be just a hash hanging off off $?LANG
I mean, from a QAST point of view, custom infixes are generated the same was as built-in infixes, are they not ? 18:23
Xliff I thought custom operators was just syntax sugar for infix:<$op>($lhs, $rhs)
lizmat the grammar also needs to be able to understand the op
to be able to parse code that uses that custom infix 18:24
nemokosch makes sense 18:30
lizmat m: dd $*KERNEL.bits 18:38
camelia 64
lizmat looks like that's 32 on the M1
while more than 32 bits are definitely supported 18:40
[Coke] m: dd $*KERNEL 18:43
camelia Kernel linux = Kernel.new(release => Str, hardware => Str, arch => Str, bits => Int, name => "linux", auth => "unknown", version => Version, signature => Blob, desc => Str)
[Coke] ^^ that's LTA.
(we get types instead of the values)
lizmat yeah, and then if you ask for bits, it does
$.hardware ~~ m/ _64 | w | amd64 / ?? 64 !! 32)
arm64 missing in this picture 18:44
this breaks P5pack :-)
Geth rakudo/main: 5d4bb333d1 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | src/core.c/Kernel.pm6
Make $*KERNEL.bits correct on ARM64 processors

Aka Apple's M1/M2		 18:52
[Coke] nice. 18:56
what's w. Wide?
lizmat I haz no idea 19:00
nine "naive approach" indeed 19:05
[Tux] Rakudo v2023.06-194-ga4a2bbd24 (v6.d) on MoarVM 2023.06-4-g75fe055c2
csv-ip5xs0.810 - 0.842
csv-ip5xs-205.142 - 5.783
csv-parser3.563 - 3.628
csv-test-xs-200.344 - 0.386
test6.750 - 7.499
test-t1.437 - 1.547
test-t --race0.810 - 0.922
test-t-2019.727 - 20.636
test-t-20 --race6.687 - 6.785
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lizmat just updated all of the P5 modules that where relying on $_ being dynamic 19:11
so that $_ no longer needs to be dynamic, so we can make $_ a local with all of its efficiency improvement
coleman Wow awesome 19:13
lizmat m: sub a() { dd CALLER::LEXICAL::<$a> }; my $a = 42; a # the secret 19:14
camelia Int $a = 42
coleman what is "dd" in this context? I don't know much about the internals. 19:15
lizmat dd is the tiny data dumper, so tiny it lost the "t" 19:16
it's basically: note $foo.raku on steroids
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Xliff Is there something in the ecosystem that does Positional and Associative at the same time? 20:52
nemokosch isn't Match something like that itself? 21:14
guifa_ I think Match and Captures both do. 21:18
Xliff: are you wanting something that tracks the order of entries (I think there's an OrderedHash for that) or one that acts like JS object that tracks the positional and named independently? 21:19
Xliff Actually, I want a object that behaves like both a Hash and an Array. 21:57
So I wrote my own that wraps both. :) 21:58
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