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🦋 Welcome to the MAIN() IRC channel of the Raku Programming Language (raku.org). Log available at irclogs.raku.org/raku/live.html . If you're a beginner, you can also check out the #raku-beginner channel! Set by lizmat on 6 September 2022. |
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| antononcube | I curious about the reasons @nemokosch has that opinion about bash. I might scrape all (bash-bashing) IRC messages by him in order to get a better picture... | 13:09 | |
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| dpk | the UNIX-HATERS Handbook has some choice words about shell ‘programming’ | 13:10 | |
| antononcube | @dpk Thanks -- will read (at least a little of it.) | ||
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| @dpk Maybe you refer to the chapter "The Shell Game"... | 13:29 | ||
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| nemokosch | I wonder if somebody needs to hate Unix to come to the same conclusions though | 13:53 | |
| I think it's really easy to summarize | 13:54 | ||
| 1. No proper data types | |||
| 2. No proper variables and scoping | |||
| 3. No proper control structures or even syntax | |||
| I started learning about Tcl and it really seems that's what shell would look like if it were actually designed | 13:57 | ||
| tbrowder__ | btw, bash is handy for running raku scripts during module development. | 14:00 | |
| a raku question, is there any way to specify a class is not to be used with a certain role (or vice versa)? | 14:02 | ||
| antononcube | @dpk BTW, the first book I read about R was the "R Inferno". www.burns-stat.com/documents/books...r-inferno/ | 14:04 | |
| [Coke] | tbrowder__: I don't think so, no, unless you have a special meta model that is aware of both the classes and roles. | 14:15 | |
| (tcl) I spent a lot of time trying to get tcl to work on parrot, which was interesting but never really ended up somewhere useful. | 14:16 | ||
| [puts "hello, partcl"] | 14:17 | ||
| tbrowder__ | ah, the answer (at least for my situation) is to use a method instead of an attribute for the conflicting values. | 14:24 | |
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| tbrowder__ | [Coke]: thanks | 14:49 | |
| btw, those having no *nix experience probably have not had a shop with multiple *nix hosts before Win NT came along. | 14:52 | ||
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| tbrowder__ | bash or csh were required | 14:53 | |
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| tbrowder__ | i used perl to runany required tcl stuff | 14:55 | |
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| [Coke] | (tcl) once ast lands, maybe adding a new-style Slang for tcl might be interesting. | 15:00 | |
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| [Coke] | (but one of the issues there was always that tcl really wants to just embed its own interpreter, not have a reimplementation) | 15:26 | |
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| tonyo | . | 16:39 | |
| tbrowder__ | i think i had to capture stderr and stdout and extract wanted items. using perl 4 (went to p5 way later than i should have) | 16:43 | |
| used expect a bit, too | |||
| ugh, hooray raku! | 16:44 | ||
| nemokosch | yep, Tcl sounds simple enough to implement within Raku | 16:56 | |
| and tbh so far the relation really looks like Tcl is a much more shell-ish language than even oldschool Perl | 16:57 | ||
| but yeah, at least it starts to feel like a language with programming language ambitions, rather than eval hacking ambitions | 16:58 | ||
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| rf | nemokosch: TCL is basically string theory | 19:55 | |
| tellable6 | rf, I'll pass your message to Nemokosch | ||
| nemokosch | string theory 🤣 | 20:01 | |
| well, astrophysics is cool isn't it | |||
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| tbrowder__ | .tell lizmat: i'm looking for raku volunteers to propose a string of suitable text in their native language (using the two-letter ISO code to identify it) for a font-sampler prog that will accompany my upcoming module 'FontFactory'. a similar request was made for my Date::Names module, but this is much easier (but more artistic in some ways). file the suggested text in a single issue per language. each input should include the | 22:04 | |
| two-letter ISO code for the language and the desired name for attribution. single lines to fit between the margins of portrait A4 paper are preferred. file issues at github.com/tbrowder/FontFactory. p.s. the inputs can add a preferred font if desired (and it's readily available as a free font, or provide a link to the font). | |||
| tellable6 | tbrowder__, I'll pass your message to lizmat | ||
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| Xliff | m: say "perl".comb.Bag ⊆ "scriptinglanguage".comb.Bag; | 23:40 | |
| camelia | True | ||
| Xliff | m: say "perl".comb.Bag ⊊ "scriptinglanguage.comb.Bag | 23:41 | |
| camelia | ===SORRY!=== Error while compiling <tmp> Confused at <tmp>:1 ------> say "perl".comb.Bag⏏ ⊊ "scriptinglanguage.comb.Bag expecting any of: infix infix stopper postfix statement end … |
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| Xliff | The difference is the use of... | ||
| m: 0x22a8.uniname.say | |||
| camelia | TRUE | ||
| Xliff | m: chr(0x22a8).uniname.say | 23:42 | |
| camelia | TRUE | ||
| Xliff | *snarl* | ||
| ⊆ - Works | |||
| vs | |||
| ⊊ - does not work (0x228a) | |||
| Bug? | 23:43 | ||
| Oversight? | |||
| If one operator works, the rule of orthogonality says the other should as well. | |||
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| [Coke] | ⊆ - U+002286 - SUBSET OF OR EQUAL TO [Sm] | 23:54 | |
| ⊊ - U+00228A - SUBSET OF WITH NOT EQUAL TO [Sm] | |||
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