| 6 Nov 2026 | |||
| lucs | They appear to be the only occurrences of that structure, so probably mistakenly placed in the repos. | 19:39 | |
| But there are more like the other pattern, like: App::fix.raku:ver<0.1.10>:auth<zef:grizzlysmit> | 19:40 | ||
| Can one "use ..." something like that? | |||
| Welp, zef accepts 'zef install App::fix.raku' although the module itself uses a hard-coded '/usr/lib/perl6/site/bin' path, so it fails to install. | 22:27 | ||
| So it appears to want to install just a Raku program, fix.raku. | 22:30 | ||
| So I suppose it's legit in that sense, eh. | |||
| 7 Nov 2026 | |||
| I truly appreciate the help I get from people here to my usually simple questions. | 14:50 | ||
| But for more involved stuff, where would you recommend I go?: Stack Overflow, Reddit, some mailing list? | |||
| disbot | <antononcube> LLMs. | 14:52 | |
| lucs | No thanks. | ||
| But thanks anyway :) | |||
| disbot | <antononcube> Ok. Damn! I was looking for an excuse to finish an AI-skill that peruses the docs.raku.org for answers... | 14:53 | |
| <antononcube> That should be done anyway -- many/most systems for technical computations have those kind of enhancements. | 14:54 | ||
| tbrowder | antononcube: how would such a thing be better than asking google | 16:27 | |
| i use it all the time with pretty good results | 16:29 | ||
| or as i tell friends “ask dr google” | 16:31 | ||
| disbot | <antononcube> Yes, I agree "Google knows" Raku well enough. Do you trust those directions, though? Also, very often I want to have concrete documentation page and section or paragraph that describe what I am asking for (about Raku language). | 16:34 | |
| refactus | another resource I've found valuable at times is the search feature on this channel's log | 16:36 | |
| disbot | <antononcube> Another important reason is to use (relatively) small locally run models. I can force them to understand better the relevant Raku documentation and form an answer on a smaller (narrower) amount of text. | ||
| <antononcube> The AI-agent skill I have mind is primarily retrieving relevant pages of docs.raku.org. (Then those can be used in whatever workflows.) | 16:37 | ||
| lizmat | .oO( too bad you still need humans to write documentation for LLMs to rip ) |
16:52 | |
| tbrowder | can’t argue about. finding authoritative docs for publication. but as lizmat is saying i think ai has skipped the old stuff where we are expected to credit our sources for our published stuff | 16:58 | |
| pres j f kennedy’s famous speech (ask not what your country…) was not truly original, his speech writer took it from a much earlier speech by us army general omar n bradley. | 17:10 | ||
| that sentence that is | 17:11 | ||
| disbot | <antononcube> > Ask not what can LLMs do for you, but what can you for the LLMs. … I guess. | 17:38 | |
| <antononcube> > Ask not what can LLMs do for you, but what can you do for the LLMs. … I guess. | 17:39 | ||
| tbrowder | any idea how ai avoids copyright infringement? | 18:00 | |
| consulting my lawyer son… | 18:05 | ||
| disbot | <antononcube> Everything LLMs is publicly available. Similar case were already brought up against Google. There is (almost) 1-to-1 correspondence. | 18:25 | |
| <antononcube> Everything LLMs are trained with is publicly available. Similar case were already brought up against Google. There is (almost) 1-to-1 correspondence. | 18:27 | ||
| tbrowder | ok, good to know, thanks | 19:02 | |
| my son says for there’s a suit by New York Times against one of the AI firms for copying all their data. | 19:39 | ||
| japhb | tbrowder: As your lawyer son may have already told you: This whole area of regulation and jurisprudence is in heavy flux. Worldwide things are changing month to month. | 19:40 | |
| (Of course, how individuals, projects, and corporations respond to that flux is all over the map as well.) | 19:41 | ||
| tbrowder | yep, he did. he also said he expected ai users to copyright artistic things they create. | 19:44 | |
| disbot | <scullucs> Turns out I tried Claude (first time) and it solved my problem perfectly 🙂 | 20:06 | |
| japhb | As a side note on the searching question, I believe Google recently publicly said something along the lines of "You can't use Google *without* using AI at this point." | 20:12 | |
| So Google "instead of" an LLM isn't really a thing, I don't think. | |||
| japhb remembers when it was purely algorithmic ... sigh. | 20:13 | ||
| tbrowder | japhb: think you are correct. i've been referring to "him" as "dr google" for some time now. | 20:29 | |
| japhb | nod | ||
| 8 Nov 2026 | |||
| disbot | <jubilatious1_98524> www.smit.id.au/myapps-models-and-p...nd-modules | 23:03 | |
| <jubilatious1_98524> Smit's been around Raku for a while now... . | 23:04 | ||
| 9 Nov 2026 | |||
| <antononcube> Cool. Smit seems to have "discovered" the use of AI-agents for Raku packages. | 12:49 | ||
| [Coke] | is "if ... -> $x { say $x}" the only (one of few) that doesn't also work with no "-> $x", defaulting to $_? | 13:48 | |
| (I'm not asking for it to work that way) | 13:50 | ||
| lizmat | indeed... you can use "with" (which checks definedness), or "given" (which doesn't check at all) | 14:08 | |
| those will topicalize | 14:09 | ||
| and yet another Raku Weekly hits the Net: rakuweekly.blog/2026/11/09/2026-45...eral-koan/ | |||
| disbot | <antononcube> @lizmat So, it is "open season" to propose Raku-Advent posts? How many per person? | 15:01 | |
| lizmat | antononcube: less than 24 | 17:14 | |
| *fewer | |||
| disbot | <antononcube> 🙂 ok. ✍️ | 17:23 | |