6 Nov 2026
lucs They appear to be the only occurrences of that structure, so probably mistakenly placed in the repos. 19:39
But there are more like the other pattern, like: App::fix.raku:ver<0.1.10>:auth<zef:grizzlysmit> 19:40
Can one "use ..." something like that?
Welp, zef accepts 'zef install App::fix.raku' although the module itself uses a hard-coded '/usr/lib/perl6/site/bin' path, so it fails to install. 22:27
So it appears to want to install just a Raku program, fix.raku. 22:30
So I suppose it's legit in that sense, eh.
7 Nov 2026
I truly appreciate the help I get from people here to my usually simple questions. 14:50
But for more involved stuff, where would you recommend I go?: Stack Overflow, Reddit, some mailing list?
disbot <antononcube> LLMs. 14:52
lucs No thanks.
But thanks anyway :)
disbot <antononcube> Ok. Damn! I was looking for an excuse to finish an AI-skill that peruses the docs.raku.org for answers... 14:53
<antononcube> That should be done anyway -- many/most systems for technical computations have those kind of enhancements. 14:54
tbrowder antononcube: how would such a thing be better than asking google 16:27
i use it all the time with pretty good results 16:29
or as i tell friends “ask dr google” 16:31
disbot <antononcube> Yes, I agree "Google knows" Raku well enough. Do you trust those directions, though? Also, very often I want to have concrete documentation page and section or paragraph that describe what I am asking for (about Raku language). 16:34
refactus another resource I've found valuable at times is the search feature on this channel's log 16:36
disbot <antononcube> Another important reason is to use (relatively) small locally run models. I can force them to understand better the relevant Raku documentation and form an answer on a smaller (narrower) amount of text.
<antononcube> The AI-agent skill I have mind is primarily retrieving relevant pages of docs.raku.org. (Then those can be used in whatever workflows.) 16:37
lizmat
.oO( too bad you still need humans to write documentation for LLMs to rip )
16:52
tbrowder can’t argue about. finding authoritative docs for publication. but as lizmat is saying i think ai has skipped the old stuff where we are expected to credit our sources for our published stuff 16:58
pres j f kennedy’s famous speech (ask not what your country…) was not truly original, his speech writer took it from a much earlier speech by us army general omar n bradley. 17:10
that sentence that is 17:11
disbot <antononcube> > Ask not what can LLMs do for you, but what can you for the LLMs. … I guess. 17:38
<antononcube> > Ask not what can LLMs do for you, but what can you do for the LLMs. … I guess. 17:39
tbrowder any idea how ai avoids copyright infringement? 18:00
consulting my lawyer son… 18:05
disbot <antononcube> Everything LLMs is publicly available. Similar case were already brought up against Google. There is (almost) 1-to-1 correspondence. 18:25
<antononcube> Everything LLMs are trained with is publicly available. Similar case were already brought up against Google. There is (almost) 1-to-1 correspondence. 18:27
tbrowder ok, good to know, thanks 19:02
my son says for there’s a suit by New York Times against one of the AI firms for copying all their data. 19:39
japhb tbrowder: As your lawyer son may have already told you: This whole area of regulation and jurisprudence is in heavy flux. Worldwide things are changing month to month. 19:40
(Of course, how individuals, projects, and corporations respond to that flux is all over the map as well.) 19:41
tbrowder yep, he did. he also said he expected ai users to copyright artistic things they create. 19:44
disbot <scullucs> Turns out I tried Claude (first time) and it solved my problem perfectly 🙂 20:06
japhb As a side note on the searching question, I believe Google recently publicly said something along the lines of "You can't use Google *without* using AI at this point." 20:12
So Google "instead of" an LLM isn't really a thing, I don't think.
japhb remembers when it was purely algorithmic ... sigh. 20:13
tbrowder japhb: think you are correct. i've been referring to "him" as "dr google" for some time now. 20:29
japhb nod
8 Nov 2026
disbot <jubilatious1_98524> www.smit.id.au/myapps-models-and-p...nd-modules 23:03
<jubilatious1_98524> Smit's been around Raku for a while now... . 23:04
9 Nov 2026
<antononcube> Cool. Smit seems to have "discovered" the use of AI-agents for Raku packages. 12:49
[Coke] is "if ... -> $x { say $x}" the only (one of few) that doesn't also work with no "-> $x", defaulting to $_? 13:48
(I'm not asking for it to work that way) 13:50
lizmat indeed... you can use "with" (which checks definedness), or "given" (which doesn't check at all) 14:08
those will topicalize 14:09
and yet another Raku Weekly hits the Net: rakuweekly.blog/2026/11/09/2026-45...eral-koan/
disbot <antononcube> @lizmat So, it is "open season" to propose Raku-Advent posts? How many per person? 15:01
lizmat antononcube: less than 24 17:14
*fewer
disbot <antononcube> 🙂 ok. ✍️ 17:23