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🦋 Welcome to the MAIN() IRC channel of the Raku Programming Language (raku.org). Log available at irclogs.raku.org/raku/live.html . If you're a beginner, you can also check out the #raku-beginner channel! Set by lizmat on 6 September 2022. |
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| japhb | Tirifto: Which of these pairs can you see? ASCII: < > Latin1: « » WGL4: ◄ ► Uni1: ◀ ▶ Uni7: ⯇ ⯈ | 00:10 | |
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| japhb ponders whether he actually knows enough at this point about terminals to create a separate Terminal::Capabilities module that doesn't suck ... | 00:17 | ||
| It turns out 60-year-old technology has a lot of nuance .... | 00:18 | ||
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| japhb | Terminal::LineEditor now defaults to slightly more compatible scroll markers (Unicode 1.1 instead of Unicode 7.0). | 00:52 | |
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| japhb | Meh, "fortune favors the bold". Terminal::Capabilities:ver<0.0.1>:auth<zef:japhb> now created and uploaded. | 02:45 | |
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| Xliff | \o | 08:51 | |
| multi sub infix:<‿> ($a, $b) { infix:<,>($a, $b) }; say 1‿2; | 08:56 | ||
| evalable6 | (1 2) | ||
| Xliff | multi sub infix:<‿> ($a, $b) { infix:<,>($a, $b) }; say 1‿2‿3; | ||
| evalable6 | ((1 2) 3) | ||
| Xliff | multi sub infix:<‿> ($a, $b) { |infix:<,>($a, $b) }; say 1‿2‿3; | ||
| evalable6 | (1 2 3) | ||
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| Xliff | multi sub infix:<‿> ($a, $b) { infix:<,>(|$a, $b) }; say 1‿2‿3; | 09:00 | |
| evalable6 | (1 2 3) | ||
| Xliff | multi sub infix:<‿> ($a, $b) { infix:<,>(ia ~~ List ?? |$a !! $a, $b) }; say 1‿2‿3; | 09:05 | |
| m: multi sub infix:<‿> ($a, $b) { infix:<,>(ia ~~ List ?? |$a !! $a, $b) }; say 1‿2‿3; | |||
| camelia | ===SORRY!=== Error while compiling <tmp> Expected a term, but found either infix ~~ or redundant prefix ~ (to suppress this message, please use a space like ~ ~) at <tmp>:1 ------> sub infix:<‿> ($a, $b) { infix:<,>(ia ~~⏏ Li… |
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| Xliff | m: multi sub infix:<‿> ($a, $b) { infix:<,>($a ~~ List ?? |$a !! $a, $b) }; say 1‿2‿3; | ||
| camelia | (1 2 3) | ||
| Xliff | m: multi sub infix:<‿> ($a, $b) { infix:<,>($a ~~ List ?? |$a !! $a, $b) }; say [1‿2]‿3; | ||
| camelia | (1 2 3) | ||
| Xliff | *snarl* | 09:06 | |
| m: multi sub infix:<‿> ($a, $b) { infix:<,>($a ~~ List ?? |$a !! $a, $b) }; say [1‿2]‿3; [1‿2].^name.sayu | |||
| camelia | (1 2 3) No such method 'sayu' for string 'Array'. Did you mean any of these: 'say', 'raku'? in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1 |
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| Xliff | m: multi sub infix:<‿> ($a, $b) { infix:<,>($a ~~ List ?? |$a !! $a, $b) }; say [1‿2]‿3; [1‿2].^name.say | ||
| camelia | (1 2 3) Array |
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| Xliff | m: multi sub infix:<‿> ($a, $b) { infix:<,>( ($a ~~ List ?? |$a !! $a), $b) }; say [1‿2]‿3; | 09:07 | |
| camelia | (1 2 3) | ||
| Xliff | m: say Array ~~ List | ||
| camelia | True | ||
| Xliff | m: multi sub infix:<‿> ($a, $b) { infix:<,>($a.WHAT === List ?? |$a !! $a, $b) }; say 1‿2‿3; | 09:08 | |
| camelia | (1 2 3) | ||
| Xliff | m: multi sub infix:<‿> ($a, $b) { infix:<,>($a.WHAT === List ?? |$a !! $a, $b) }; say [1‿2]‿3 | 09:09 | |
| camelia | ([1 2] 3) | ||
| Xliff | \o/ | ||
| weekly, gist.github.com/Xliff/9ed2279ca10e...2ce19fe81d | 09:10 | ||
| weekly" gist.github.com/Xliff/9ed2279ca10e...2ce19fe81d | |||
| weekly: gist.github.com/Xliff/9ed2279ca10e...2ce19fe81d | |||
| notable6 | Xliff, Noted! (weekly) | ||
| lizmat | Xliff: maybe make it a r/rakulang entry, possibly with a crosslink to a BQN community ? | 09:16 | |
| Xliff | I generally write my stuff as a gist. | 09:17 | |
| If you'd like I can just add a link to reddit. | |||
| lizmat | the problem with gists is that they have limited discoverability | 09:18 | |
| Xliff | And unfortunately, I don't know any BQN community. I may have to look into one. The only reason I got interested in BQN is because of a codesection video. | ||
| lizmat | I see :-) | ||
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| Xliff | lizmat: There should be two entries. I can create a reddit post mentioning them both if you'd like. | 09:19 | |
| lizmat | A Reddit post I'll link to in the weekly :-) | 09:20 | |
| Xliff | OK. | ||
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| Xliff | weekly: www.reddit.com/r/rakulang/comments...s_in_raku/ | 09:22 | |
| notable6 | Xliff, Noted! (weekly) | ||
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| lizmat | Xliff: meh, even Wikipedia doesn't know about BQN, although it redirects to en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Array_programming | 10:10 | |
| but that page doesn't mention BQN | |||
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| Geth | Raku-Steering-Council/main: a38a0b790f | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | minutes/20230610.md Add minutes of meeting of 10 June 2023 |
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| tbrowder__ | Xliff: very cool, i hope you have a module with it before too long. | 12:20 | |
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| SmokeMachine | m: multi sub infix:<‿> (*@a) is assoc<list> { infix:<,>(|@a) }; say 1‿2‿3 # Cliff, why not something like this? Or have I misunderstood your intent? | 13:19 | |
| camelia | (1 2 3) | ||
| Xliff | SmokeMachine: Hmm... | 13:21 | |
| multi sub infix:<‿> (*@a) is assoc<list> { infix:<,>(|@a) }; say [1‿2]‿3 | 13:22 | ||
| evalable6 | (1 2 3) | ||
| Xliff | ^ That is wrong. | ||
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| SmokeMachine | :+1 | 13:24 | |
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| lizmat | and yet another Rakudo Weekly hits the Net: rakudoweekly.blog/2023/06/12/2023-23-4-at-48/ | 14:20 | |
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| tbrowder__ | lizmat++ | 14:36 | |
| i wonder if we can convince the author of Raku.land (@JRasspass) to move to github. it badly needs some love but gitlab is not a good place for PRs and such imho. | 14:42 | ||
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| coleman | Come on, it's not so bad | 14:50 | |
| tbrowder__ | btw, the only functions in module "AlgorithmsIT" at the moment are for string pattern matching. maybe useful somewhere in core. algo is by Dr Knuth et al. | 14:51 | |
| coleman: maybe for a young person :-) | |||
| coleman | :) | 14:52 | |
| lizmat | tbrowder__: have you considered making ArrayOneBased a subclass of Array? | 14:56 | |
| class A1B is Array { method AT-POS($pos) { $pos ?? nextsame !! die }; method iterator() { callsame.skip } } | 14:57 | ||
| which would just not use slot 0 in an array | 14:58 | ||
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| [Coke] | I just submitted a PR for raku.land on github after not using gitlab for like 10 years. | 15:17 | |
| ... not true, I commented on some stuff 4 months ago | 15:19 | ||
| Tirifto | japhb, I could see all of those! Running Hexchat on Debian 12 right now. :-) | ||
| [Coke] tries to get raku.land running locally, but the docker requirement is a showstopped on m2 macs, I think. | 15:26 | ||
| *er | |||
| avuserow | Docker desktop should run on the apple silicon macs | 15:30 | |
| tonyo | [Coke]: i use podman on mac silicon | 15:31 | |
| japhb | Tirifto: Ah good! So I take it your normal working system is *not* Debian 12. :-) | 15:34 | |
| Tirifto | japhb, it is, actually! Personally, I experience few issues with Unicode. It’s just that the program I’m writing should, of its own volition, output ASCII only. x) | 15:35 | |
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| japhb | AH! | 16:24 | |
| Now I understand. | |||
| Tirifto: Now that Terminal::LineEditor can adapt its symbol usage to a Terminal::Capabilities object (see latest version of both), you should be able to just tell it you have an ASCII terminal and should automatically downgrade. | 16:26 | ||
| Tirifto | japhb, oh, that sounds very useful! Does that affect its ability to read Unicode whatsoever (if the terminal does support Unicode, but I just want it to prefer ASCII characters for whatever reason)? :o | 16:29 | |
| japhb | Tirifto: Nope, it's only affecting the symbols it uses for its own output; input (and in particular, correct Unicode handling) is unchanged. | 16:30 | |
| Tirifto | japhb, thank you, I’ll be sure to give it a try then! :D | 16:32 | |
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| tonyo | lizmat: are we submitting grant applications through TPF still? | 16:43 | |
| lizmat | I think so, yes | ||
| tonyo | bless | 16:44 | |
| [Coke] | Do we have any raku folks left on the committee? | 17:00 | |
| lizmat | I think moritz was the last ? | ||
| [Coke] | he was stepping down, I thought. | ||
| lizmat | yeah :-( | 17:02 | |
| [Coke] | avuserow: ah, thanks I had old info. | 17:12 | |
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| [Coke] | when running raku.land locally, does the zef deps install thing save state over invocations (it's very slow the first time) | 17:55 | |
| s/thing/step/ | |||
| ugexe | you can pass --serial to have each module install one-by-one after their tests pass instead of installing all modules only once all modules tests have passed | 17:57 | |
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| ugexe | you can also try setting --test-degree=5 or some such to test in parallel (although since parallel module loading can segfault --test-degree defaults to 1) | 18:00 | |
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| [Coke] | ugexe - does --/test imply serial? | 18:06 | |
| guessing no, and it probably shouldn't (other issues can occur besides test failures) | 18:07 | ||
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| ugexe | serial only happens explicitly with --serial | 18:28 | |
| Xliff | Any vids from TPC Canada? | 18:50 | |
| lizmat | Xliff: 11 July, not 11 June | 18:55 | |
| you're a month early, roughly :-) | |||
| Xliff | Oh, LOL! | 18:56 | |
| Thanks. | |||
| uzl[m] | Interesting presentation titles for TPRC 2023. Will they be recorded? 👀 | 19:05 | |
| lizmat++ | |||
| lizmat | I would think so | 19:07 | |
| uzl[m] | re youtube channel: Will the channel be managed by the Raku foundation or is it simply a contributors managed channel? I can set it up easily but I'm not sure what it entirely entails | 19:08 | |
| Awesome!!! | 19:09 | ||
| coleman | isn't there already a TPRF channel? | 19:10 | |
| lizmat | I think we should have someone actively involved with that | ||
| and perhaps even make sure that the curated video (links) do not get lost, e.g. by putting them in a /raku repo | |||
| uzl[m] | Right, there's www.youtube.com/@therakuconference6823 | 19:12 | |
| Tangentially, those videos in youtu.be/pvDZUlNHGCw could be benefit from timestamps | |||
| lizmat | indeed | 19:13 | |
| afk& | |||
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| tbrowder__ | lizmat: ref ArrayOneBase, i thought about it but my way was easier for me. i have no experience with and no real understanding of callsame and frienfs | 19:18 | |
| g | |||
| *friends. | 19:19 | ||
| PRs welcome, though! | |||
| what about | 19:20 | ||
| ignore that, pls | |||
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| [Coke] | ok, 'make dev' in raku.land is complaining "Failed to spawn process --start-service: no such file or directory (error code -2)" | 19:30 | |
| I will volunteer to help with timestamps and captions, as that is something that bugs me when it's not done. :) | |||
| gitlab.com/raku-land/raku-land/-/issues/48 | 19:34 | ||
| coleman | Coke plus plus | 19:35 | |
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| librasteve | yes Docker Desktop runs ok on Apple Silicon ... it now defaults to --platform=linux/arm64 ... | 21:03 | |
| levelup.gitconnected.com/docker-on...679913a0d5 | |||
| ^^^ the instructions to enable --platform=linux/amd64 via rosetta on Apple Silicon | 21:04 | ||
| tonyo | m: class A { method hi-from-a { 'hi-from-a'.say; }; }; class B is A { method hi-from-b { 'hi-from-b'.say; callsame; }; }; B.new.hi-from-b; | 21:23 | |
| camelia | hi-from-b | ||
| tonyo | oops | ||
| [Coke] | librasteve - there is no "use rosetta" option on my install | 21:39 | |
| (I'm on 4.20.1, article says 4.16.1 is the version required) | 21:41 | ||
| ah, need to upgrade the OS, which maybe I'll do after I get home and am not sitting in the chinese takeout. | 21:42 | ||
| guifa | uzl[m] and lizmat I believe the plan is indeed to record | 22:04 | |
| If for some reason there is an issue, please everyone bug the crap out of me that weeend and I'll try to do an offline recording and upload somewhere | |||
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