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dalek arVM: ee06c36 | jimmy++ | src/io/fileops.c:
fixed Win32 build with MSVC
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FROGGS JimmyZ++ 06:52
dalek arVM: 7cf3a8d | jimmy++ | src/io/fileops.c:
small code cleanup
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FROGGS JimmyZ: is the bigint stuff I did okay on windows? 07:14
FROGGS feels like testing on windows too
JimmyZ FROGGS: It builds 07:16
I didn't run test though
the bigint test was mostly commented :P 07:17
benabik Makes it easy to pass! 07:19
benabik should comment out all problem tests. Would have saved me a few weeks work lately.
FROGGS JimmyZ: I only have two failing bigint tests using nqp's test file
(due to nqp::box_i) 07:20
JimmyZ tests 07:21
FROGGS JimmyZ: ahh, und you have to 'use npq-mo' instead of 'use nqpmo' 07:23
first line in the test file
JimmyZ FROGGS++, timely help 07:26
JimmyZ don't know why use nqpmo worked before 07:27
FROGGS: I get 3 failed test: 17, 18, 20 07:28
not ok 17 - Bit ops (RT 109740) , not ok 18 - can box to a complex type with a P6bigint target, not ok 20 - addition works on boxing type
FROGGS hmmm, 17 passes here 07:29
JimmyZ FROGGS: 17 test, I got -1 , expect 1 07:35
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dalek arVM: a300174 | jimmy++ | src/io/fileops.c:
avoids some memory leak
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arVM: 29ffbdd | jimmy++ | src/io/fileops.c:
avoids a potential memory leak
 09:18
JimmyZ FROGGS: looks like it failed because two_complement_* is not ported 09:28
FROGGS hmmm, then why does it work here? weird :o) 09:29
JimmyZ FROGGS: because of different platform and compiler? 09:30
:P 09:31
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FROGGS hummm, there is no MSVC project file, is there? 09:37
JimmyZ you don't need it
FROGGS yeah, I see now
JimmyZ open 'VS2012 x64(x86) Cross Tools Command Prompt', and run perl Configure.pl there 09:39
FROGGS I executed vcvars32 09:42
ohhh wow, that is slow 09:43
JimmyZ nmake doesn't support -j, FYI :(
FROGGS I didnt use -j on my linux for moarvm yet fwiw 09:44
but compiling it only takes 13s on my linux box, but compiling a single apr source file seems to take about three seconds 09:45
but to be fair: the windows is an xp 32 bit, and the linux is 64bit 09:46
JimmyZ uses MSVC because apr doesn't support gcc on win32 :) 09:47
FROGGS another reason to get rid of apr :o)
JimmyZ :P 09:48
FROGGS selfhosting++ # time nqp nqp-moar-cc.nqp -e '1' -> real\t0m1.852s 09:50
nqp@jvm has an identical startup time, and just doing "nqp -e '1'" takes 0.08s 09:52
JimmyZ is waiting for selfhosting all the time :-)
FROGGS WHY WAITING???
sorry :P
JimmyZ because I don't need to debug parrot :P 09:53
after selfhosting
FROGGS you do the selfhosting, jnthn++ does threads and I add some missing ops... done way before christmas! 09:54
JimmyZ selfhosting is hard to me, it needs some small fixes here and there, and some small fixes is not small actually :P 09:56
i.e: serialization writing 09:57
jnthn Serialization writing isn't so bad in so far as there's a test suite :) 09:58
JimmyZ jnhn: Will hash repr be typed?
jnthn JimmyZ: Some time in the future, perhaps.
JimmyZ: Not until Rakudo development works out how to make use of having that. :) 09:59
JimmyZ jnthn: there are some codes in Serialization writing, depends on typed hash, methinks
jnthn Yeah, but nothing that leaks outside of there. We don't have to use the hash repr in C code, we can use hashes directly. 10:00
JimmyZ I think I can port some Serialization writing to MoarVM, except typed hash code part 10:01
jnthn: or you will have some refactor in Serialization writing? 10:02
jnthn Not sure just yet...
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jnthn Probably nothing overly crazy, though.
diakopter FROGGS: you forgot me in the before-Christmas plan
jnthn diakopter: p5interop! :P
FROGGS diakopter: awww
JimmyZ diakopter: yeah
diakopter jnthn: speaking of which, I have a hague grant app pending to tpf/karen for that 10:03
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FROGGS diakopter: yes, of course, P5@moarvm \\o/ 10:03
diakopter FROGGS: well, I wasn't thinking just that
FROGGS dyncall too, what else?
diakopter well, I was expecting to take on the bulk of replacing apr.. also, finishing nfg 10:04
jnthn wouldn't mind doing the libuv bit also, fwiw.
tadzik MOAR the things!
jnthn NFG++
FROGGS ohh well, that is much todo till tehn
then* 10:05
jnthn I want to get things bootstrapped on Moar before that, though. ;)
(Before I look at libuv things, that is.)
FROGGS yeah
diakopter jnthn: karen wants you to approve more of the p5interop design before allocating (essentially the rest of) the hague grant 10:06
jnthn The rest of? :)
diakopter jnthn: so can we discuss it sometime?
jnthn: yeah; there's not much left
jnthn diakopter: Really? Hm. :)
diakopter: Yes, sometime, but probably some Perl 5 person should weigh in too... 10:07
FROGGS lizmat++ might be able to?
diakopter well I ran the whole design by nwc10, who seemed to handwavey approve,ish, and TimToady has listened to the whole thing several times at least and given some feedback
lizmat was going to be the grant manager 10:08
jnthn nwc10++ is who I was pondering suggesting :)
diakopter but really it's quite straightforward
there are a couple of fiddly bits around types and metaobjects
but all the basic mechanics really aren't tricky 10:09
[after a great deal of study of p5 src code and thinking]
jnthn: anyway, can we discuss it sometime? 10:10
I've asked FROGGS too.. so hopefully he and tadzik can participate; sorear said he doesn't have time to help out with it 10:11
jnthn diakopter: Yes, we can
diakopter let's set a time sometime in the next week|2 10:12
FROGGS diakopter: I can read it if you send me the google doc linky, but I'm not sure if I can be of any help
tadzik I'm not sure I'll be of much use, other than being an additional pair of ears
I once pondered a thought of P5 interop while being drunk or 80% blackbery thing
it made perfect sense while being so simple in design
diakopter FROGGS: the various iterations of the design docs are to the non-slushiness point of it being faster to implement them than to keep them up-to-date and thorough 10:13
tadzik I don't remember a thing
diakopter tadzik: you're funny this week :D
tadzik it's because of this python thing
diakopter regex to filter a googolplex of books
jnthn: do you know of a 2-hour block we can reserve in the next week or two? I was hoping to use google hangout or skype 10:14
diakopter suddenly remembers to install skype on the new computer 10:15
jnthn diakopter: We could do skype
Maybe towards end of this week?
afaik I'm teaching Mon-Wed next week 10:16
diakopter 8 a.m. PDT is good for me any day
er, 7
(it's 3:16 a.m. now)
-7, I think
pick a day and let me know 10:17
hopefully nwc10, TimToady, lizmat, & others could attend too 10:18
so that would almost certainly be google hangout
diakopter [OT] uses jira-rest-java-client-core-2.0.0-m19.jar to add some custom features to JIRA this week 10:19
FROGGS -9 Berlin time 10:30
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diakopter jnthn: ping 15:10
.tell jnthn see www.aqute.biz/Bnd/Bnd for ease of automating jar bundling/creation (it's apache licensed). Also clsd (class dumper) from the same toolkit. 15:14
yoleaux diakopter: I'll pass your message to jnthn.
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diakopter jnthn: ping 17:30
FROGGS PARROT VM: Could not load bytecode 17:34
Could not load oplib `nqp_ops'
>.<
diakopter happens 17:35
jnthn diakopter: o/
cooking, but it's easy so aboutish :)
diakopter jnthn: now I forgot what I was going to ask 17:36
ergh.
diakopter tries to remember
FROGGS uhh, works now 17:37
yeah, "nmake install" is a step one should not skip
seriously, I can't image developing on windows... 17:38
imagine*
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diakopter FROGGS: it's AWESOME 17:49
FROGGS no 17:50
jnthn Yeah, nobody who develops in Windows can be productive. :)
FROGGS yre you guys using bash or something similar? the usual command line just sucks
diakopter <- no exception
FROGGS: well, there's Powershell, which has been around for many years now
FROGGS jnthn: I was a windows dev till 2010 or so 17:51
diakopter has many Perl features
and list comprehension thingies
FROGGS is stuck on windows xp
diakopter and pipes
there's a version of powershell that installs on XP I'm pretty sure
benabik www.johndcook.com/blog/2009/11/02/p...ws-xp-etc/ (dunno if there's a 3.0 or whatever) 17:52
FROGGS I will try that 17:53
benabik Oh hey, guess there is. blogs.msdn.com/b/powershell/archive...shell.aspx
FROGGS thanks guys
diakopter FROGGS: actually I wouldn't recommend it
it's almost entirely useful mostly for sysadmin things
not really for data-y things
FROGGS hmm
benabik PowerShell is way better than cmd even just for running things.
diakopter heh.
benabik dunno about scripting, but I'd rather have a psh window than cmd window to type in. 17:54
diakopter benabik: sounds like you use it far more than I have... ;) 17:55
benabik diakopter: It's almost like a real shell. Kept me from having to install all of cygwin or something stupid when I was trying to test Parrot on Windows.
diakopter sigils and all? 17:57
benabik Like I said, have tried exactly no scripting with it. But it has all the nice little completions and editing and such I needed to stay sane. 17:58
FROGGS well, it start when you want to copy the output of a script, in a bash you dont have implicit linebreaks within your string when it is longer than the window buffer 17:59
and that you cant maximize the cmd window, you have to calculate the number of chars on your own 18:01
is it still like that on windows 7/8 ? 18:02
diakopter you can change the cols/rows, via the gui
jnthn: oh yeah, I remembered 18:04
FROGGS yeah, but you have to calculate those rows/cols on your own first, that is the odd thing
E:\\MoarVM\\nqp-cc>nqp\\nqp nqp-moar-cc.nqp -e 'say(1)'
Malformed UTF-8 string
current instr.: 'slurp' pc 657 (src\\stage2\\gen\\NQPCORE.setting.pir:302) (src\\stage2\\NQPCORE.setting:647)
:/
has somebody else a 32bit os? 18:05
diakopter FROGGS: erm cmd.exe doesn't use ' 18:06
it uses "
FROGGS E:\\MoarVM\\nqp-cc>nqp\\nqp nqp-moar-cc.nqp -e "say(1)" 18:07
Malformed UTF-8 string
current instr.: 'slurp' pc 657 (src\\stage2\\gen\\NQPCORE.setting.pir:302) (src\\stage2\\NQPCORE.setting:647)
ó.ò
diakopter you can't run nqp that way
you have to add that dir to the path
FROGGS E:\\MoarVM\\nqp-cc>nqp\\nqp -e "say(1)" 18:08
1
diakopter oh.
FROGGS well, I can change tha path to include nqp's dir
okay, path for comfort, but didnt help my problem 18:10
benabik psh also acts as a modern terminal emulator, IIRC. Resizing windows and highlighting and everything.
FROGGS I'd guess that the byte ops for utf8 might be broken on 32bit
that would be cool! 18:11
diakopter FROGGS: I think you'd have to add the install\\bin to the path, not the root of the nqp checkout 18:16
FROGGS k, will test in a bit 18:17
diakopter FROGGS: which C compiler are you using 18:20
jnthn: anyway, I was going to ask whether you'd seen the other stuff in the dyncall branch - the realclean target I mean 18:22
FROGGS diakopter: cl 18:24
diakopter FROGGS: I haven't tested nqp/parrot on 32-bit cl in years 18:25
(and I doubt anyone else has either)
FROGGS well, I had a working rakudo from 2012.10 or so 18:31
and nqp is working, but not the cross compiler, I'll trak it down when my kids are sleeping 18:32
jnthn diakopter: not yet 18:54
dalek arVM/dyncall: 3a1c4cf | diakopter++ | / (3 files):
make dyncall configure respect verbose flag
 19:02
FROGGS HAHA 19:16
I know now why nqp's slurp fails
benabik No lips? 19:17
FROGGS it tries to slurp a file called temp.output, which contains the output of "del /?", with german umlauts
jnthn No straw?
hah
FROGGS hehe
how comes that?
there is a temp.moarvm too 19:18
jnthn dunno, sounds odd
FROGGS yeah 19:19
jnthn: MoarVM_/nqp-cc/nqp-moar-cc.nqp:68: pir::spawnw__Is("del /? >temp.output 2>&1"); 19:23
diakopter what about it
heh. 19:24
FROGGS it generates a file non utf8 conform file
diakopter need to make it find the Command Extensions string in german too :)
FROGGS: run this at the command prompt: 19:25
chcp 65001
FROGGS diakopter: gist.github.com/FROGGS/2e014a3aa692d980a4b4
diakopter FROGGS: translate? 19:26
FROGGS command ".." not found 19:27
diakopter I don't understand the output there
why is it saying >>temp.output
on the second line 19:28
FROGGS diakopter: debug output I added
btw, the temp.output still has the german text which does not contain the word "Extensions"
diakopter that should be easy to fix :P 19:29
FROGGS diakopter: what exactly should it do?
diakopter it's just checking to see if on windows
there wasn't a better way when that was written 19:30
feel free to make it use the right way if there's one now
FROGGS ohh
that is a weird way to do that
parrot should be able to answer that question, no?
diakopter I didn't know how at the time
FROGGS hmmm, okay, will investigate 19:31
diakopter FROGGS: ... but at least that way is backend-agnostic 19:32
FROGGS it does a pir::spawnw__Is 19:34
diakopter ohlol.
nm.
FROGGS I'll try to provide something parrot-ish and JVM-ish 19:35
diakopter search for Extensions in the repo; it's a couple other places too
FROGGS k 19:38
thanks, will do
E:\\MoarVM\\nqp-cc>nqp -e "my %conf := pir::getinterp__P()[pir::const::IGLOBALS_CONFIG_HASH]; say(%conf<platform>);" 19:43
win32
diakopter: do you get the same?
diakopter FROGGS: I .... actually don't have nqp built on this windows machine yet 19:44
FROGGS k, np
diakopter chipdude_: ping 19:48
FROGGS yay, it works 19:50
diakopter jnthn: are rakudo-jvm's collections threadsafe? 20:09
jnthn: (if I had two threads competing to push/pop 10,000 times each (starting with 10,000 elements), would it always come out as size 10,000 in the end? 20:12
)
FROGGS I cant add fudge lines to nqp-mo-cc.nqp
:/
jnthn diakopter: no 20:14
diakopter: Things are at a *very* early point :) 20:15
FROGGS jnthn: the fudging happens when concatenating the source files?
yeah, looks like 20:16
diakopter would bet $500 that the speed of that test would not be detectably affected by adding a java fast lock to those reprs
... up to the number of cores, ish
jnthn: I mean putting this inside each of the repr ops: synchronized(this) { everything else } 20:24
(obviously doesn't scale at all) 20:25
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jnthn diakopter: aye, though I suspect it may be a bit more involved given that Perl 6 arrays are more than just a VMArray :) 20:29
oh, that reminds me of a design question for TimToady++ that I need to write up coherently...
diakopter hrm, I guess you'd need an explicit lock
FROGGS gah, I just add the parrot code as it is and put the jvm version commented underneath 20:31
dalek arVM: 6b55554 | (Tobias Leich)++ | nqp-cc/ (2 files):
query vm for osname
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