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| brrt | timotimo: i'm not taking gc management into account at all at this point | 05:57 | |
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| brrt | okay, i'm flummoxed. i don't see it at all | 06:10 | |
| nwc10 | step away from the keyboard and make coffee? | 06:11 | |
| brrt | probably best... | 06:14 | |
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| brrt | wrt the poor quality of the generated code | 07:21 | |
| that's pretty much by design | 07:22 | ||
| i strongly prefer easily debuggable suboptimal code over optimal code that is difficult to debug | |||
| optimal code is for when correctness can be ensured | |||
| nwc10 | but but but "no obvious bugs" is obviously far superior :-) | ||
| brrt | well, that's the point of obviousness, isn't it | 07:23 | |
| actually, the whole notion of 'obvious' is kind of suspect | |||
| nwc10 | and "obviously no bugs" is obviously buggy :-) | ||
| brrt | did you see, perchance, the 'morning paper' about formal verification of distributed systems | 07:24 | |
| nwc10 | no I didn't | ||
| brrt | well, the tl;dr is | ||
| formal verification helps in eliminating core protocol errors | |||
| but it doesn't help (as much) in eliminating 'interface' errors, i.e. in assumptions about the interaction with the world | |||
| stuff like whether UDP is reliable or not | |||
| i thought that was a quite interesting find, on the topic of bugs | 07:25 | ||
| blog.acolyer.org/2017/05/29/an-emp...d-systems/ | 07:27 | ||
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| samcv | o/ hello all | 08:50 | |
| jnthn | morning o/ | ||
| samcv | do we have any support for isatty | 08:52 | |
| so we could check if we are a tty or not for like $*OUT or $*IN or whatever | 08:53 | ||
| like colud hide: "You may want to `zef install Readline` or `zef install Linenoise` or use rlwrap for a line editor" if you are already using rlwrap | |||
| and many more fun things | |||
| windows has it as _isatty | |||
| brrt | i think…. we tried doing that at some point in the past, i have no idea what became of it | 08:54 | |
| samcv | or something. will have to double check. windows is so odd | ||
| brrt | windows has _isatty, es | ||
| *yes | |||
| samcv | all functions need more underscores to be honest. minimum 5 for maximum | ||
| jnthn | samcv: Yes, there's a method on IO::Handle for that | ||
| samcv | oo | ||
| native-descriptor? | 08:55 | ||
| jnthn | .t | 08:57 | |
| yoleaux | Tue, 30 May 2017 08:57:16 UTC | ||
| jnthn | A single char like the other test methods :) | ||
| samcv | best ever :( | 08:58 | |
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| samcv | hmm seems it doesn't work with rlwrap | 08:58 | |
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| Geth | MoarVM/remove-sync-char-io: de99476972 | (Jonathan Worthington)++ | 7 files Remove char-level I/O ops. |
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| MoarVM/remove-sync-char-io: 698974fac5 | (Jonathan Worthington)++ | 2 files Remove now-dead MVM_io_file_s[lurp|pew]. |
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| Geth | MoarVM/remove-sync-char-io: 6121d0643b | (Jonathan Worthington)++ | 2 files Remove now-dead sync char input functions. |
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| MoarVM/remove-sync-char-io: 99333ed22f | (Jonathan Worthington)++ | 6 files Remove char-level I/O from sync read vtable. |
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| MoarVM/remove-sync-char-io: 90e80c8e02 | (Jonathan Worthington)++ | src/io/dirops.c Toss unused encoding option in dir handle. If we do turn out to somehow need this, there'll be a better way to handle it than keeping the MVMIOEncodable part of the I/O v-table around just for it. |
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| MoarVM/remove-sync-char-io: 771bb59689 | (Jonathan Worthington)++ | 11 files Remove infrastructure to set handle encoding. |
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| MoarVM/remove-sync-char-io: 63e3fd6be2 | (Jonathan Worthington)++ | 4 files Remove now-unused sep spec field in sync I/O. The decode stream in these will go away soon too, but this is an LHF to remove right away. |
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| cono | guys, what is P6Opaque ? | 19:08 | |
| Zoffix | Default representation of objects | 19:09 | |
| There's an internals course that mentions them: github.com/edumentab/rakudo-and-nq...als-course | |||
| (day 2 in particular talks about this stuff IIRC) | |||
| cono | Zoffix: thanks a lot! | 19:10 | |
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| Geth | moarvm.org: c059f76e4f | jnthn++ | 2 files Update site for 2017.05 release. |
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| jnthn | Better late than never... :) | ||
| Zoffix | heh | 21:52 | |
| timotimo | i had to do a double take when i saw "deprecated ... removed" | 21:53 | |
| jnthn | heh | 22:00 | |
| Ah well, you only have to double-take for 2 weeks until the next relesae | 22:01 | ||
| I suspect the next one will shake out any unknown MoarVM users given the amount it will remove... | |||
| timotimo | m: say for gather { take take 2 } | 22:03 | |
| camelia | ===SORRY!=== Error while compiling <tmp> Unsupported use of bare "say"; in Perl 6 please use .say if you meant to call it as a method on $_, or use an explicit invocant or argument, or use &say to refer to the function as a noun at <tmp>:1 --… |
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| timotimo | m: .say for gather { take take 2 } | ||
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