AlexDaniel` Yeey :) 00:46
MasterDuke .tell brrt i added the loads to the sp_findmeth template and updated the PR. rakudo builds ok, any easy way to be sure that path is being taken? 00:49
yoleaux MasterDuke: I'll pass your message to brrt.
Zoffix samcv++ 00:50
MasterDuke .tell brrt running into some weirdness with a box_i template, some details/discussion here irclog.perlgeek.de/moarvm/2018-01-24#i_15733736
yoleaux MasterDuke: I'll pass your message to brrt.
samcv anybody getting failures on t/spec/S32-io/IO-Socket-Async.t 00:59
i get this if i run it without prove: Unhandled exception in code scheduled on thread 01:00
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MasterDuke i've run a couple spectests today, haven't seen that
Zoffix samcv: try changing the $port in the test? Maybe you got something blocking it 01:04
samcv ok
Zoffix: no change 01:05
gonna try compiling withou --has-ffi
nope still failing :( 01:06
Zoffix :(
samcv ah i think i have ipv6 disabled?
ok that makes sense then :)
MasterDuke ah, right. i got that on my desktop all the time when i had ipv6 disabled also 01:07
samcv though it having unhandled exceptions doesn't sound great either :|
MasterDuke i think the test is making an assumption good user code wouldn't 01:08
Geth MoarVM: 67cde5bf03 | (Samantha McVey)++ | VERSION
Bump VERSION to 2018.01
 01:11
samcv tag pushed 01:12
released! 01:15
Zoffix woooo \o/ samcv++ 01:18
TimToady also sez samcv++ 01:20
samcv MasterDuke: oops missed your comment 01:22
AlexDaniel samcv++ indeed! 01:39
MasterDuke samcv++ i don't think a stray . will break the release 01:44
AlexDaniel perhaps time to start calling it Chaneglog, accepting that it may be less than awesome :) 01:54
timotimo should the "feel free to edit this page" have stayed in the changelog? :S 01:58
AlexDaniel oh, oops 02:00
and ā€œNew in 2018.01ā€ twice 02:01
timotimo i find it slightly strange that there's only a single entry that has an explanation attached to it (the last one in the spesh section) 02:02
Geth MoarVM: 726ca9b596 | (Aleks-Daniel Jakimenko-Aleksejev)++ | docs/ChangeLog
Remove unneeded text

It was moved from the wiki and shouldn't be in the actual changelog.		 02:03
TimToady in the fwiw department, I experimented with a config.o that had extra null padding on all the strings containing the PREFIX directory, and it seemed to work fine, so I suspect making a relocatable binary won't be all that difficult 02:12
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TimToady 'course, things that copy PREFIX around inside nqp may have to be a bit more dynamic in adding padding 02:16
timotimo TimToady: could probably also use ./././././././ as i think samcv did in the appimage stuff 02:18
TimToady yeah, thought about that, but it's uglificatious and has performance implications :) 02:19
timotimo fair enough
TimToady hopefully we can keep files distinct that need padding vs those that can just s/// the text 02:20
and since each ./ is presumably a system call, it might get worse with recent CPU security patches 02:23
though arguably most such paths aren't used in a hot path
also, arguably, one could use the relocator to remove the ././././ spacers just as easily from the standard install, as long as the relocator knows which ones to null pad, and which ones to s/// 02:25
timotimo we already do a crapton of superfluous syscalls on startup; many times we stat the same thing many times in a row
TimToady (and it tends to be obvious by whether the string is \0 terminated already) 02:26
timotimo perl6 -e '' stats ModuleLoader.moarvm 81 times for example
more precisely, almost all of those are lstat
TimToady nice to still have optimization targets
Zoffix :) 02:28
timotimo almost all of these come from MVM_file_exists 02:36
gist.github.com/timo/33acff43fa16a...e98705a832 - go nuts 02:38
fwiw, i have not actually timed if stat takes any meaningful amount of time out of our startup
callgrind seems to think it's only a tiny amount of instructions spent, but i'm not sure how it measures syscalls, if at all. 02:40
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brrt good * #moarvm 07:17
yoleaux 00:49Z <MasterDuke> brrt: i added the loads to the sp_findmeth template and updated the PR. rakudo builds ok, any easy way to be sure that path is being taken?
00:50Z <MasterDuke> brrt: running into some weirdness with a box_i template, some details/discussion here irclog.perlgeek.de/moarvm/2018-01-24#i_15733736
brrt .tell MasterDuke seeing it, I will check it out as well. I was hoping you'd find bugs like these :-)
yoleaux brrt: I'll pass your message to MasterDuke.
brrt also, that looks sane, it should probably just work 07:18
samcv i'm curious does ././././ actually use more cpu or does the system just optimize it away? 07:19
brrt .tell jnthn that $0 always refers to the address rather than the register value
yoleaux brrt: I'll pass your message to jnthn.
brrt ans all others do refer to the register value 07:20
samcv: what's the context?
samcv brrt: any
tbh
brrt eh. and this is file paths? 07:21
i suppose the system can optimize it away. i'd be very surprised if you could measure that
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nine Fun fact: the inline in place stuff actually reduces the code size: 5 files changed, 100 insertions(+), 160 deletions(-) 07:43
brrt \o/ 07:48
samcv nice! 07:49
Geth MoarVM/master: 16 commits pushed by (Stefan Seifert)++, (Timo Paulssen)++
review: github.com/MoarVM/MoarVM/compare/7...39928851f8		 08:01
nine
.oO(pushing largish branches is just not as satisfying)
samcv++ # release 08:04
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travis-ci MoarVM build failed. Samantha McVey 'Update ChangeLog for release' 08:57
travis-ci.org/MoarVM/MoarVM/builds/333049969 github.com/MoarVM/MoarVM/compare/c...b09504eeb3
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lizmat Thanks everybody for the MoarVM release! 09:06
moarvm.org # still showing 2017.09 :-( 09:07
which could give people the wrong idea that there's no development with MoarVM anymore
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samcv i thought that was fixed? 09:40
i'm not really sure how the site works :\
oh the releases page shows 2017.12 09:41
i think we need an update to the release document to make sure the rest of the site is updated properly? jnthn
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jnthn Yes, we can put that into the release document 10:09
yoleaux 07:19Z <brrt> jnthn: that $0 always refers to the address rather than the register value
jnthn github.com/MoarVM/moarvm.org is the git repo for the site, and it auto-deploys
Anybody who has time/interest to help keep it up to date, please just ask for a commit bit :-)
(I've got interest, of course, but apparently not time...) 10:10
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travis-ci MoarVM build failed. Samantha McVey 'A few ChangeLog adjustments' 10:29
travis-ci.org/MoarVM/MoarVM/builds/333050302 github.com/MoarVM/MoarVM/compare/7...22511e3a51
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El_Che samcv, jnthn: It seems the new 2018.01 release is missing from moarvm.org/releases/. Can you upload a tar? I needed to build the rakudo-pkg Linux OS packages for Rakudo 11:29
thx
jnthn El_Che: Seems it wasn't committed: github.com/MoarVM/moarvm.org/commits/master 11:33
samcv: ^^
Or at least, not pushed 11:38
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timotimo --collect-systime=<no|yes> [default: no] 13:00
This specifies whether information for system call times should be collected.
it estimates a "sysTime" of 1 for MVM_file_exists, but for some reason MVM_repr_set_int has a self sysTime of 2.599?? 13:02
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travis-ci MoarVM build passed. Aleks-Daniel Jakimenko-Aleksejev 'Remove unneeded text 13:09
travis-ci.org/MoarVM/MoarVM/builds/333083190 github.com/MoarVM/MoarVM/compare/6...6ca9b596ea
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jnthn timotimo: Anything that allocates can trigger GC. A top allocator will thus show some of the GC cost 13:09
timotimo ah, i suppose we maybe do a single gc run during startup - though i had believed we were down to 0? 13:10
jnthn Hmm 13:12
If it's startup then no idea
timotimo yeah, i was measuring perl6 -e '' 13:13
i was hoping i could get more details on how costly the lstats are
jnthn ah
timotimo i expect strace to be rather overhead-heavy. maybe i'll try perf trace, that's allegedly a lot lighter 13:17
65.483 (18446744073709.523 ms): moar/26304 mprotect(start: 0x7f3860279000, len: 8192, prot: READ|WRITE ) ... 13:18
i've seen this somewhere before ...
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timotimo adding all lstats and stats up gives me 0.54 miliseconds 13:21
lizmat wow
ah, 0.54 *milli* seconds
that's not too bad then, is it ? 13:22
timotimo with some care we could probably cut it down to a third of that?
not terribly bad, no
fwiw, all our mprotect calls added up give me 24.8 milliseconds ;) 13:25
lizmat now, *that* I call significant
timotimo without jit it's only 0.69, but that makes me thing all of that is on the background thread 13:26
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brrt imho 24.8 milliseconds is a reasonable price to pay to have some security against (some) attacks 14:36
nine brrt: it's only on the spesh worker thread anyway, isn't it? 14:39
brrt yep
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timotimo the stats, on the other hand, are all on the main thread ;) 14:41
jnthn Stats?
Oh, recording of stuff
timotimo lstat and stat
jnthn Oh, right, not spesh stats :D
haha
timotimo yeah :)
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psch ooc, is moar on a SPARC T2 interesting? a friend has access to a T5140 iirc 16:22
japhb psch: Well, it won't have JIT, but porting to it might expose some remaining portability bugs in the main codebase. 16:23
psch it's running debian currently, although there was talk of throwing one of the free solaris forks on it, if that matters 16:25
but then i also don't know how liberally they want to hand out shells
timotimo is that a LE or BE architecture?
i *think* we're currently not doing little/big endian conversion properly everywhere
psch so at worst this might be nothing more than "well i tried building it here's the errors: ..."
geekosaur SPARC is BE 16:26
ilmari _and_ alignment-picky 16:27
japhb Which makes it 1) great for weeding out portability bugs, and 2) probably a LOT of work 16:28
ilmari ubsan already catches unaligned reads 16:33
Configure.pl (well build/probe.pm) disables CAN_UNALIGNED_* under -fsanitize=undefined
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stmuk Is the moarvm release tarball likely to appear at moarvm.org/releases/ ? 17:54
El_Che stmuk: i pinged jnthn and samcv. It should soon proably 17:55
stmuk ah great
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AlexDaniel I guesss we'll need to wait for samcv for that, yea 19:00
oh 19:01
I see it's there already?
stmuk, El_Che ā†‘
stmuk ah great!
El_Che restarting the test build: travis-ci.org/nxadm/rakudo-pkg 19:04
AlexDaniel samcv: fwiw the main page on www.moarvm.org/ talks about 2017.09 19:37
samcv jnthn: pls help with site
do we have a way to generate the site automatically?
AlexDaniel also www.moarvm.org/releases.html has no 2018.01 19:38
El_Che everything is there now
my builds pass
AlexDaniel yey
El_Che (running, but most of them passed already)
samcv we need a script to generate the page i guess? 19:39
the tarball you can dl it's just not linked..
El_Che thx samcv 19:40
just added opensuse support 19:42
lizmat El_Che++
samcv maybe i'll come up with a script if nobody has one 19:43
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jnthn samcv: No script to update it as of yet, but that'd probably be wise 19:52
samcv ok i will write one!
working on it right now
jnthn Cool
I've kinda meant to for ages, but something always pushed it off the top of the priority list 19:53
samcv seems important since the site keeps falling behind
jnthn *nod*
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El_Che thx samcv, building the pkgs now 20:04
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Geth MoarVM: f1197e42ed | (Samantha McVey)++ | docs/ChangeLog
Edit the ChangeLog to include the original release

Also fix the top heading. This was added so we can generate
  moarvm.org/releases.html from this document easily and this release was
missing from the ChangeLog file but existed on the website.		 23:55

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