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github.com/moarvm/moarvm | IRC logs at colabti.org/irclogger/irclogger_logs/moarvm Set by AlexDaniel on 12 June 2018. |
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| lizmat | [Tux] just on #perl-dev: | 10:22 | |
| [12:17:28] <+|Tux|>This: "/pro/bin/perl5.28.0 build/mk-moar-pc.pl pkgconfig/moar.pc" took 9 minutes | |||
| [12:18:03] <+|Tux|>while making the box inaccessible | |||
| does that ring a bell? | |||
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| jnthn | No | 10:58 | |
| I've never seen that do anything other than fly by, and I don't think it's been changed in ages. | 10:59 | ||
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| Geth | MoarVM: patzim++ created pull request #973: Remove som dead code. |
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| sandinmyjoints_ | I’m working on an experimental programming language that is heavy on Unicode string operations, and from what I can tell MoarVM supports a lot of what I envisioned for the language runtime, such as including the Unicode database | 18:43 | |
| And using graphemes clusters as a unit. | 18:45 | ||
| moritz | sounds about right | 18:46 | |
| lizmat | sandinmyjoints_: perhaps this could be of use to you: github.com/edumentab/rakudo-and-nq...als-course | ||
| sandinmyjoints_ | I’m wondering what it would take to use moar as a compilation target. I see that it has bytecode, so that seems good. | ||
| But is it tied to closely to perl6 to make sense as a target for another language? | |||
| moritz | are you planning to make it a statically typed language? | 18:47 | |
| sandinmyjoints_ | Thanks lizmat | ||
| jnthn | Well, it exists primarily to serve Perl 6, but provided what you want to do is covered by the (quite wide) range of available features... | 18:48 | |
| sandinmyjoints_ | moritz: I wasn’t, but it’s very early days so I’m not necessarily committed to that. | ||
| jnthn | We keep a pretty clean interface between the Perl 6 compiler and the VM, though, to help us manage the complexity of it all. | ||
| sandinmyjoints_ | I almost certainly will write an interpreter in p6 | ||
| moritz | you could write it in NQP | 18:49 | |
| that's a bit lower-level, closer to the metal, and more performant | |||
| but quite expressive enough to write a compiler in it | |||
| sandinmyjoints_ | I was wondering about that — what would be the advantages of sticking to nqp? | ||
| Ok | |||
| jnthn | Largely that the compiler authoring tools are written in NQP, so a bit more easily used from there. | 18:51 | |
| sandinmyjoints_ | Oh cool | 18:56 | |
| I’m guessing the answer is no, but is anyone aware of any other languages using targeting moar besides p6 and nqp? | 18:57 | ||
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| sandinmyjoints_ | Is there a roadmap or process for how moar handles Unicode releases? I think I saw somewhere that it includes version 9, though I’m not sure when that doc was written. | 18:59 | |
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| lizmat | sandinmyjoints_: there's a monthly release cycle of MoarVM. so it should probably not take longer than a few months, tuits permitting | 19:05 | |
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| MasterDuke | m: dd $*VM | 19:11 | |
| camelia | VM moar = VM.new(config => ${:ar("ar"), :arflags("rcs"), :arout(""), :as("as"), :asm(".s"), :asmout("-o "), :asmswitch("-S"), :auxclean("\@:"), :be("0"), :bindir("/home/camelia/rakudo-m-inst-2/bin"), :booltype("_Bool"), :can_specific_werror("1"), :can… | ||
| MasterDuke | i'm not sure if it's in there now, but ISTR some talk of putting the unicode version in | ||
| sandinmyjoints_ | MasterDuke: thanks for the info. Putting the Unicode version in seems useful! +1 to that. | 19:16 | |
| lizmat: thanks, good to know. Unicode 10 was released in June, maybe it’s in moar now. If I were at a computer instead of on a phone I’d check 🙂 | 19:23 | ||
| lizmat | looks like it is indeed not updated yet | 19:24 | |
| or it wasn't put in the changelog | |||
| moarvm.org/releases.html | |||
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| lizmat | added an issue, so it doesn't hopefully fall through the cracks | 19:28 | |
| github.com/MoarVM/MoarVM/issues/974 | |||
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| Geth | MoarVM: 0583a7910a | (Patrick Sebastian Böker)++ | src/io/procops.c Remove som dead code. |
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| MoarVM: 918547e6a8 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | src/io/procops.c Merge pull request #973 from patzim/cleanup Remove som dead code. |
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| sandinmyjoints_ | lizmat: wow, that nqp intervals course you linked above is fascinating! I’m new to making PLs and not very experienced with Perl (have come across it here and there in a decade of software engineering but never used it for anything substantial), and I had no idea that Perl had grammars built into the language. It’s a language for making languages. Seems very promising for building my first interpreter than | 21:41 | |
| lizmat | sandinmyjoints_: that's NQP, aka Not Quite Perl | ||
| sandinmyjoints_ | Can skip a bunch of scanning code and go right into the good stuff | ||
| lizmat | :-) | ||
| sandinmyjoints_ | Oh right. | ||
| lizmat | and it's meant to build Perl 6 with, not Perl 5 (yet anyway :-) | ||
| sandinmyjoints_ | Maybe I read it wrong, but it sounded like grammars are in Perl 6 as well as nqp? | 21:42 | |
| lizmat | yes, they are very much a part of Perl 6 | ||
| sandinmyjoints_ | Either way, you’re right that nqp is what’s looking promising to me | ||
| lizmat | but the grammar of Perl 6 is written in mostly NQP | 21:43 | |
| sandinmyjoints_ | In fact, from what I can tell in those slides, I won’t miss a lot of what nqp leaves out from p6. Seems like a lot of sugar and implicit stuff that I won’t miss if I never expected it in the first place... | 21:44 | |
| geekosaur | but perl 6 gives you soem stability; nobody guarantess the nqp interface or apis | 21:45 | |
| and some of the things you get at p6 level aren't necessarily obvious. you'd need to be specific about types, nqp doesn't figure that out for you | 21:47 | ||
| like, go look at all the nqp::add_* variants | |||
| lizmat | sandinmyjoints_: yeah, NQP is much closer to the metal | ||
| sandinmyjoints_: so I guess you need to make a performance / ease of implementation decisiom | 21:48 | ||
| *decision | |||
| sandinmyjoints_ | I see. Performance is decidedly not a goal for me at this point, so it seems like p6 may be a better choice | 21:52 | |
| lizmat | yes, I would concur... | 21:53 | |
| in the mean time, Perl 6 is getting faster and faster | |||
| except for grammars atm :-( | |||
| sandinmyjoints_ | It will probably be fast st those before I ever get to the stage where I’m optimizing for perf :) | 21:54 | |
| lizmat | but if, as you said, performance is not an immediate goal, then you should be fine | ||
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| japhb | sandinmyjoints_: Also consider checking out masak's work on 007 (github.com/masak/007) for a comparison of another language implemented in Perl 6 | 22:08 | |
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| japhb | (in this case, a research language designed for exploring macro implementation) | 22:09 | |
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| jnthn | Fresh typos^Wblog post! 6guts.wordpress.com/2018/09/28/fas...perations/ | 22:44 | |
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| timotimo | yay blogthn | 23:20 | |
| jnthn++ # good post | 23:28 | ||
| sandinmyjoints_ | Thanks japhb | 23:35 | |
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