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Welcome to the main channel on the development of MoarVM, a virtual machine for NQP and Rakudo (moarvm.org). This channel is being logged for historical purposes. Set by lizmat on 24 May 2021. |
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| coleman | Anyone interested in a Meson-based build? github.com/MoarVM/MoarVM/issues/1795 | 00:53 | |
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| MasterDuke | i've never used meson, don't really have an opinion | 02:14 | |
| coleman | I'm gonna give it a shot. I'll post questions as they come up while I work in my fork. | 02:16 | |
| MasterDuke | cool | ||
| coleman | So it doesn't seem like we're doing huge amounts of codegen. Just a few additional source files from Configure.pl and make? My analysis: github.com/MoarVM/MoarVM/issues/17...1996299090 | 03:48 | |
| Voldenet | I'm guessing that configure.pl wasn't supposed to grow to be this large | 06:53 | |
| but it kept growing with features | |||
| github.com/dontlaugh/MoarVM/blob/a...nfigure.pl | 06:55 | ||
| …started as short as expected | |||
| though I've never used anything that was as pain-free as Configure.pl | 06:59 | ||
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| ugexe | coleman: does macOS come with python? or would we expect users to need to install python as a dependency, which is unlike the current perl situation? | 13:02 | |
| i'm not sure i'd be thrilled at having to install a scripting language to install raku, although thats already the case on windows so 🤷 | 13:03 | ||
| lizmat | % python --version | 13:04 | |
| zsh: command not found: python | |||
| % perl --version | 13:05 | ||
| This is perl 5, version 30, subversion 3 (v5.30.3) built for darwin-thread-multi-2level | |||
| ah, looks like that is a local one | 13:06 | ||
| % perl --version | |||
| This is perl 5, version 28, subversion 0 (v5.28.0) built for darwin-2level | |||
| looks like MacOS doesn't install python by default | |||
| % uname -v | 13:07 | ||
| Darwin Kernel Version 23.4.0: Wed Feb 21 21:44:31 PST 2024; root:xnu-10063.101.15~2/RELEASE_X86_64 | |||
| ugexe | you are still running x86 mac? | ||
| lizmat | x86 on my MBP, 1 on my MacMini | 13:08 | |
| *M1 | |||
| ugexe | (not relevant to the perl/pythong thing, just thought you had something newer) | ||
| lizmat | % uname -v | ||
| Darwin Kernel Version 23.2.0: Wed Nov 15 21:53:34 PST 2023; root:xnu-10002.61.3~2/RELEASE_ARM64_T8103 | |||
| Voldenet | Hm, if meson requires python then that's pretty bad actually | 13:20 | |
| sh or perl are fine though | 13:21 | ||
| otoh most people really only need binaries, so it depends if meson is lifechanging | 13:23 | ||
| ugexe | yeah, honestly it’s only a matter of time before macOS stops shipping Perl although it might be many years away | 13:29 | |
| lizmat | also: bash as an alternative on MacOS would confine you to an old(er) version: discussions.apple.com/thread/25217...ortBy=best | 13:37 | |
| [Coke] | my mac has a /usr/bin/perl (5.30.3) | 13:45 | |
| Nicholas | my (works) mac has 5.30. and 5.34 and /usr/bin/python3 | 13:50 | |
| but also plenty of "binaries" in /usr/bin are written in perl. eg /usr/bin/fuser | |||
| lizmat | aha! | ||
| % python3 --version | |||
| Python 3.9.6 | |||
| Nicholas | Looks like there would be a *lot* of rewriting for Apple to get rid of /usr/bin/perl | ||
| lizmat | % python3 --version | 13:51 | |
| Python 3.9.1 | |||
| that last one on the x86 | |||
| so it looks like there's python on MacOS after all, if you know how to invoke it :-) | |||
| coleman | If this ever becomes a PR it will live side by side with the Perl, for sure. It's been a while since I set up a new mac. Do you still have to run that xcode-tools-install thingy to get clang or system headers? | 14:41 | |
| I've never had any trouble building MoarVM. The Perl actually looks awesome. I even put together my own custom build container just to run the docs site CI. This is just an experiment to stay ahead of the curve. | 14:47 | ||
| lizmat | coleman: yes | 14:49 | |
| coleman | I could imagine a scenario where some new distro or OS comes along that breaks the perl build but not a Meson one, or the other way around. If a library moves or isn't packaged the same way, etc. Options here can help maintenance. Building C wil always be an effort. :D | 14:50 | |
| Anyways, this will take a long time. I'll update the issue with questions as they come along. | 14:51 | ||
| [Coke] | coleman++ | 16:20 | |
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