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| dalek | arVM/gcorch: d77cd3a | diakopter++ | / (11 files): wip |
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| diakopter | benabik: ^ nice commit message ;) | 01:09 | |
| benabik | heh | ||
| diakopter | you like the diff? lots of changes. | 01:10 | |
| and lots of breakage currently | 01:11 | ||
| benabik | gcorch? | ||
| diakopter | gc orchestration | 01:12 | |
| coordination of threads | |||
| jnthn will be *much* happier with the new stuff. | 01:13 | ||
| I kindof bungled it previously | |||
| now it's starting to look like real software | |||
| orchestration.c that is. | |||
| run.c still needs work | |||
| orchestrate.c I mean | |||
| bbl | 01:14 | ||
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| ingy | benabik: ping | 03:29 | |
| benabik | ingy: pong | ||
| ingy | :D | 03:30 | |
| gist.github.com/ingydotnet/6472496 | |||
| look at that a sec | |||
| would you agree that api.github.com is broken | |||
| benabik | ETag not changing? | ||
| That's less than ideal. | 03:31 | ||
| ingy | or am I broken? | ||
| benabik | Yeah, no that's broken. | 03:34 | |
| If the Etag hasn't changed, the content shouldn't have changed. | 03:35 | ||
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| ingy | right! | 03:41 | |
| the content is completely correct, and different, but with the same etag | 03:42 | ||
| JimmyZ | Good morning | 03:49 | |
| diakopter | ingy: I bet if you report it they'll fix it quickly | 03:58 | |
| ingy | diakopter: I'm not so sure | 04:01 | |
| Thanks for getting in touch. Since our ETags use strong validation [1], it seems like they should indeed change as you've described. Thanks for pointing this out. | |||
| I'm adding this to our Wish List of enhancements. That list is getting quite long at the moment, so I don't know for sure when/if our small API team will be able to ship this enhancement. But, it's definitely on our radar. | |||
| Thanks again for the suggestion! | |||
| this was about another less important but related bug | |||
| to be honest, nothing about programming seems to irk me as badly and often as the github bug reporting process | 04:11 | ||
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| ingy | I've screamed at them (via email and irc and even their reporting system) many times about how infuriating it is to work through their closed system | 04:12 | |
| look at this: github.com/contact | 04:13 | ||
| would you even think that is a bug reporting system? | |||
| I love the new "I need help with an order from shop.github.com" checkbox in the middle | 04:14 | ||
| makes me want to go to SF with a sawed-off shotgun :\\ | 04:15 | ||
| ingy needs a cocktail :[ | |||
| brb | |||
| ingy wonders if a Rolling Rock tallboy counts as a cocktail… | 04:17 | ||
| *cheers*! | |||
| JimmyZ | ../moarvm nqp.moarvm --target=mbc t/nqp/01-literals.t | 04:31 | |
| This representation (SCRef) does not support elems | |||
| JimmyZ doesn't know why make selftest all fails only on x86 | 04:57 | ||
| benabik | Memory layout change hitting a GC bug? | 05:06 | |
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| not_gerd | o/ | 05:53 | |
| JimmyZ | \\o | 06:21 | |
| FROGGS | o\\ | 06:26 | |
| dalek | arVM: 175faaa | (Gerhard R)++ | build/Makefile.in: Implement MVM_platform_cpu_count() Untested on non-windows (as in, might not even compile). If so, please provide a fix or remove the offending file from PLATFORM_POSIX in build/Makefile.in |
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| not_gerd | oO( I like the smell of breaking master in the morning ) | ||
| ups.. | 06:45 | ||
| forgot to add the new files | |||
| dalek | arVM: 78b5015 | (Gerhard R)++ | src/platform/ (4 files): Actually add new files |
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| JimmyZ | ha. | 06:54 | |
| FROGGS builds moarvm on a fresh windows 7 box | 07:36 | ||
| JimmyZ | x86 box? | 07:58 | |
| FROGGS | inter::progs - Determine what C compiler and linker to use...Compilation | 08:04 | |
| failed with 'cl' | |||
| Command failed (status 256): C:\\Perl64\\bin\\perl.exe Configure.pl --optimize --pr | |||
| efix="C:/MoarVM/nqp-cc/nqp/install" | |||
| no x64 | |||
| can't configure parrot | |||
| I'll try my win xp x86 box later, but this one has other problems I need to fix first | 08:05 | ||
| maybe my windows 7 box is missing some windows sdk? | 08:06 | ||
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| dalek | Heuristic branch merge: pushed 17 commits to MoarVM/validation by gerdr | 08:42 | |
| not_gerd | Bytecode validation error: callsite expects 65532 more positionals | 09:10 | |
| so, I guess I should look into named args ;) | |||
| why isn't MVM_CALLSITE_ARG_FLAT_NAMED == MVM_CALLSITE_ARG_FLAT | MVM_CALLSITE_ARG_NAMED | 09:27 | ||
| jnthn: ^^ | 09:28 | ||
| jnthn | 'cus you process a flattening named arg more like a positional (one slot in the *args) rather than a named (two lots in the *args, a name constant and a value). | 09:33 | |
| *slots | |||
| not_gerd | that's highly relevant to what I'm doing | 09:34 | |
| jnthn | And changing it would mean you can't look for MVM_CALLSITE_ARG_FLAT and know there's a name followed by a value in the args buffer. | 09:35 | |
| JimmyZ | btw: make selftest all failes only on x86. make test and make nqptest not | ||
| jnthn | JimmyZ: Then, some debugging or bisecting is needed... | ||
| JimmyZ | e | 09:36 | |
| not_gerd | jnthn: I'm assuming we don't generate NAMED | FLAT (more) | 09:39 | |
| so we have regular and FLAT_NAMED args taking 2 slots and NAMED args taking 1 slot | |||
| jnthn | um, wrong way around, no? | ||
| not_gerd | yes ;) | 09:40 | |
| jnthn | FLAT_NAMED = a positional that needs flattening later, NAMED = two slots... | ||
| not_gerd should probably just peek at args.c | |||
| jnthn | And no, you won't get FLAT_NAMED and NAMED set on the same thing. | ||
| Well, shouldn't :) | 09:41 | ||
| not_gerd | I'll be able to tell you if we do soon-ish | 09:43 | |
| jnthn | :) | ||
| not_gerd | just to make extra sure: FLAT_NAMED does contribute to num_pos? | 09:47 | |
| jnthn | not_gerd: Correct | ||
| Reading bytecode.c around 492 may help clear things up | 09:48 | ||
| not_gerd | I'm probably good | ||
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| FROGGS | jnthn: except vs2012express, git and activeperl, do I need something else to build parrot on win7 ? | 10:25 | |
| jnthn | FROGGS: Think that's what I use...though maybe I'm on the 2010 toolchain... | ||
| FROGGS | yeah, maybe it is just that... | ||
| jnthn | Well, I think it's 2012 on my laptop and it works... | 10:26 | |
| FROGGS | hmmm | ||
| jnthn | x64 probably though | ||
| FROGGS | correct | ||
| using an 64bit activeperl | 10:27 | ||
| (running configure in the vs developer console) | |||
| jnthn | aye, that's what I use... | 10:28 | |
| Are you getting issues? | |||
| FROGGS | yeah, see clogs from about 10am | ||
| jnthn | huh, I have to read... | ||
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| jnthn | oh, huh... | 10:29 | |
| FROGGS: I've sometimes seen that happen randomly, and a second attempt works... | |||
| FROGGS: But, type | |||
| cl | |||
| And hit enter | |||
| Does it find something? | |||
| FROGGS | I get its help msg, yeah | ||
| jnthn | ok, so it's not that it's missing... | ||
| FROGGS | I think I'm debugging parrot's build system after lunch, so I know what commands it is trying to run | 10:30 | |
| jnthn | I think it's meant to spit out a file saying how it failed | 10:31 | |
| Try Configure with --verbose maybe | |||
| FROGGS | k, thanks | 10:32 | |
| dalek | arVM/validation: b87a6e3 | (Gerhard R)++ | src/core/validation.c: Validate number of positional arguments |
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| FROGGS | jnthn: what is th equivalence of LC_ALL=C for windows? | 10:38 | |
| I think it tries to link to 32bit libs for x64 target | 10:39 | ||
| not_gerd | validation branch is ready for review, I believe | 10:42 | |
| jnthn | FROGGS: Hm, I don't have anything that looks like that... There are typically x86 and x64 shells with some stuff set up directly... | 10:43 | |
| not_gerd | error messages need to be made more helpful and we might decide to get rid of the flexibility pf validate_block/validate_sequence | ||
| but selftest validates correctly and we should catch strictly more errors than master | 10:44 | ||
| jnthn peers curiously at what the new bithacks.h is... | 10:47 | ||
| not_gerd | well, right now just bit counting | ||
| lunch& | |||
| jnthn | +#error "Unsupported platform" | 10:48 | |
| Might be a little nicer to say wat ain't supported, or even warn and have it provide a wild guess | |||
| Oh wow, windows. Great API. Count the darn bits!! | 10:49 | ||
| FROGGS | jnthn: that is what I got, dont know how to produce english error messages gist.github.com/FROGGS/20fd21255473fe1c5684 | 11:06 | |
| jnthn | OH NEINS ES IST IN KONFLIKT! | 11:08 | |
| FROGGS | *g* | ||
| go ahead, make fun of me :P | |||
| jnthn | Just your langauge :) | ||
| I'm wondering if you have a x64 environment, but if it's puling config from a 32-bit ActivePerl, or vice versa | 11:09 | ||
| FROGGS | my perl is x64 | 11:11 | |
| not_gerd | FROGGS: can you get at the actual compiler/linker invocation via --verbose-step=... ? | ||
| jnthn: just be happy that I did not go with the windows API that supports more than 64 logical CPUs: msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/wi...85%29.aspx | 11:12 | ||
| if someone wants it, they can implement it themselves ;) | |||
| FROGGS | not_gerd: you mean this? gist.github.com/FROGGS/20fd21255473fe1c5684 | 11:13 | |
| jnthn | whoa :) | ||
| not_gerd | FROGGS: I missed the link line in that gist | 11:15 | |
| but yes, that is waht I wanted to look at | |||
| FROGGS: does `echo %CURRENT_CPU% %TARGET_CPU%` tell you anything interesting? | 11:20 | ||
| FROGGS | C:\\MoarVM\\nqp-cc\\nqp\\parrot>echo %CURRENT_CPU% %TARGET_CPU% | 11:21 | |
| %CURRENT_CPU% %TARGET_CPU% | |||
| PROCESSOR_ARCHITECTURE=AMD64 | 11:22 | ||
| PROCESSOR_IDENTIFIER=Intel64 Family 6 Model 58 Stepping 9, GenuineIntel | |||
| this is from my env | |||
| CURRENT_CPU etc is not set | |||
| not_gerd | the Windows SDK shell sets those | 11:24 | |
| FROGGS | I use the developer command prompt... | 11:25 | |
| not_gerd | do you have a LIBPATH set? | 11:26 | |
| FROGGS | LIB is set | ||
| ohh, and libpath too, yeah | 11:27 | ||
| not_gerd | o/ | 12:21 | |
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| FROGGS | damn, vs2010 doesnt work for me either :/ | 12:30 | |
| seems like it is the same issue | |||
| jnthn | FROGGS: Did yo check to see if your activeperl is 32 or 64? :) | 12:33 | |
| FROGGS | jnthn: it is still 64 bits, I counted them all you see :o) | ||
| it is not that urgent though, I just wanted to have another test platform | 12:36 | ||
| gah, that windows xp is screwed up too | 12:48 | ||
| the cmd window closes when I execute vcvars32 | |||
| JimmyZ | what's your error? | 12:50 | |
| FROGGS | no error, the window just closes | 12:52 | |
| it did that too when I executed `git` instead of `git.exe`, re-installing git helped here | 12:53 | ||
| jnthn | beer & | 13:33 | |
| FROGGS | meh | 14:43 | |
| FROGGS has no beer at home | |||
| tadzik | heh. I wanted to say "what, this early in the morning?" but it's almost 5 PM | 14:54 | |
| FROGGS | if somebody with win7 could paste the out of the following, it would be super awesome: perl.exe Configure.pl --optimize --verbose --prefix="C:/MoarVM/nqp-cc/nqp/install" | 15:30 | |
| (possibly agjust the prefix) | 15:31 | ||
| diakopter | FROGGS: well, I have win8 | 15:47 | |
| FROGGS | :/ | 15:48 | |
| diakopter | but it shouldn't be any different for this | ||
| FROGGS | but I think I know a workaround now | ||
| diakopter | FROGGS: why you running vcvars32 | ||
| FROGGS | well, would be nice if you post it | ||
| diakopter | this is what I run: | 15:49 | |
| @"c:\\Program Files (x86)\\Microsoft Visual Studio 10.0\\VC\\vcvarsall" amd64 | |||
| FROGGS | because cmd + vcvars32 is the same as the vc2010 developer console | ||
| diakopter | no | ||
| FROGGS | hmmm | ||
| diakopter | ^ that is | ||
| FROGGS | my dev console just calls vcvars32 | ||
| diakopter | try that | ||
| FROGGS | I'll try that | ||
| C:\\Users\\leicht>@"c:\\Program Files (x86)\\Microsoft Visual Studio 10.0\\VC\\vcvarsa | 15:50 | ||
| ll" amd64 | |||
| The specified configuration type is missing. The tools for the | |||
| configuration might not be installed. | |||
| :/ | |||
| diakopter | hm | 15:51 | |
| maybe you didn't install the 64 bit compiler | |||
| which would be weird, if you're on 64-bit | |||
| FROGGS | k, I re-install it | ||
| diakopter | this is my path | 15:53 | |
| c:\\Program Files (x86)\\Microsoft Visual Studio 10.0\\VC\\BIN\\amd64;C:\\Windows\\Microsoft.NET\\Framework64\\v4.0.30319;C:\\Windows\\Microsoft.NET\\Framework64\\v3.5;c:\\Program Files (x86)\\Microsoft Visual Studio 10.0\\VC\\VCPackages;C:\\Program Files (x86)\\Microsoft Visual Studio 10.0\\Common7\\IDE;C:\\Program Files (x86)\\Microsoft Visual Studio 10.0\\Common7\\Tools;C:\\Program Files (x86)\\HTML Help Workshop;C:\\Program Files (x86)\\Microsoft Visual Studio ... | |||
| ... 10.0\\Team Tools\\Performance Tools\\x64;C:\\Program Files (x86)\\Microsoft Visual Studio 10.0\\Team Tools\\Performance Tools;C:\\Program Files (x86)\\Microsoft SDKs\\Windows\\v7.0A\\bin\\NETFX 4.0 Tools\\x64;C:\\Program Files (x86)\\Microsoft SDKs\\Windows\\v7.0A\\bin\\x64;C:\\Program Files (x86)\\Microsoft SDKs\\Windows\\v7.0A\\bin;c:\\users\\mwilson\\src\\moarvm\\nqp-cc\\install\\bin;C:\\Program ... | |||
| ... Files\\Java\\jdk1.7.0_25\\bin;C:\\Windows\\system32;C:\\Windows;C:\\Perl64\\bin;C:\\Perl64\\site\\bin;c:\\Users\\mwilson\\src\\icu\\bin;c:\\Users\\mwilson\\bin;C:\\Program Files (x86)\\Git\\cmd;C:\\Python27;C:\\Users\\mwilson\\src\\gyp | |||
| (the result of running that command) | 15:54 | ||
| FROGGS | looks like I am already missing the first directory, there is no \\amd64 on my box | ||
| diakopter | FROGGS: just download the vs 2010 premium iso+sp1 from me | 15:56 | |
| Express is .... express. | |||
| FROGGS | from you? | 15:57 | |
| diakopter | yah | ||
| privmsg | 15:58 | ||
| ingy | *moarning* | 16:50 | |
| BinGOs | PATHs like that make baby Jesus cry. | 16:56 | |
| or is that nmake baby Jesus cry | 16:57 | ||
| ingy | BinGOs++ | 17:31 | |
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| diakopter | not_gerd++ core counter | 18:57 | |
| dalek | arVM/gcorch: b598b9e | diakopter++ | src/gc/ (4 files): wip2 |
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| FROGGS | is it known that I dont see an output of say() under windows? | 19:17 | |
| C:\\MoarVM\\nqp-cc>..\\moarvm.exe nqp.moarvm -e "say(42)" | |||
| C:\\MoarVM\\nqp-cc> | |||
| diakopter | echo %ERRORLEVEL% | 19:26 | |
| FROGGS: ^ | |||
| after that command | |||
| FROGGS | C:\\MoarVM\\nqp-cc>..\\moarvm.exe nqp.moarvm -e "say(42)" | 19:30 | |
| C:\\MoarVM\\nqp-cc>echo %ERRORLEVEL% | |||
| -1073741819 | |||
| diakopter | crashed | ||
| FROGGS: which branch | |||
| FROGGS | I compile mvm again | 19:31 | |
| I think I compiled it without the windows sdk, so maybe as 32bit | |||
| diakopter | oh | 19:34 | |
| well I need to fix that today | |||
| FROGGS | k, it works now | 19:43 | |
| dalek | arVM/gcorch: 4a05985 | diakopter++ | src/gc/collect.c: macroize something in collect.c |
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| FROGGS | what I love about MoarVM too is that it behaves on Windows and linux identical | 21:45 | |
| diakopter | heh not always | ||
| configure/build, yes is awesome | |||
| FROGGS | the selftest is identical, and that is worth much | 21:46 | |
| and yes, the build system seems pretty reliable | |||
| jnthn | STOUT!!! | 22:58 | |
| I mean, uh, evening :) | |||
| diakopter | haha | 22:59 | |
| :) | |||
| jnthn | :) | ||
| jnthn had a nice relaxing evening with $dayjob guy :) | 23:00 | ||
| dalek | arVM: a9d954c | diakopter++ | build/Makefile.in: more consistent build output |
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| jnthn | Our C++ teacher, actually :) | ||
| diakopter: Consistent as in...? :) | 23:02 | ||
| diakopter | talking about the action instead of echoing the command like everything else | ||
| jnthn | ah, k | 23:04 | |
| I'm not sure what to think about that. It's less output, but if something fails.. | |||
| diakopter | you ok'd it before; recall there's a noisy flag | 23:08 | |
| nmake realclean ; nmake NOISY=1 | 23:09 | ||
| jnthn | Just 'cus I OK something does not mean it's what I'd personally do. :) | ||
| diakopter | it doesn't hide stderr output | 23:10 | |
| .ask not_gerd what's the difference between typing nmake moarvm.dll and doing Configure.pl --shared | 23:11 | ||
| yoleaux | diakopter: I'll pass your message to not_gerd. | ||
| jnthn | In general, I'll only whine about or revert something if I think it's architecturally harmful. The rest, I try to tolerate. :))) | 23:12 | |
| diakopter | I'm un-architecturally harmful-izing the gcorch changes I made... | 23:13 | |
| (speaking of..) | |||
| jnthn | I'll read 'em tomorrow, probably :) | ||
| diakopter | .. if I finish by then | 23:14 | |
| jnthn | (Got a 3 hour train trip to Goeteborg...) | ||
| OK :) | |||
| diakopter | it led to shaving another ball of wax | ||
| er. | |||
| jnthn | jnthn++ didn't order a train until 15:20, which allows lots of sleep :) | ||
| diakopter | hey that's 55 min ago; you're late | 23:15 | |
| jnthn | diakopter: The GC orch code felt complex to me. If the overall effect is to make things clearer/simpler, it's good. :) | ||
| Swedish time, "tomorrow" :P | |||
| diakopter | yes, too complex for correctness, too | ||
| jnthn | Well, simple designs are easier to decide the correctness of. | ||
| A bunch of the stuff I spend my time teaching people is to be skeptical of their first idea of how to solve anything... | 23:16 | ||
| diakopter | jnthn: btw if you and masak's software architecture class is any good, you can probably write a best-selling book on it.. there really aren't any good ones on that topic from what I can find | 23:17 | |
| there are tons of books on "OO Design" and "Software Engineering" but none really focused on architeture I think. | 23:18 | ||
| well... or | 23:19 | ||
| jnthn | It's hard to define "architecture" | ||
| I mean, you can ask 10 people and you'll get 10 different definitions. | 23:20 | ||
| In a MoarVM context, architecture is "stuff you commit that makes jnthn whine loudly", for example. | |||