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Set by AlexDaniel on 12 June 2018.
lizmat [Tux] just on #perl-dev: 10:22
[12:17:28] <+|Tux|>This: "/pro/bin/perl5.28.0 build/mk-moar-pc.pl pkgconfig/moar.pc" took 9 minutes
[12:18:03] <+|Tux|>while making the box inaccessible
does that ring a bell?
jnthn No 10:58
I've never seen that do anything other than fly by, and I don't think it's been changed in ages. 10:59
Geth MoarVM: patzim++ created pull request #973:
Remove som dead code.		 18:42
sandinmyjoints_ I’m working on an experimental programming language that is heavy on Unicode string operations, and from what I can tell MoarVM supports a lot of what I envisioned for the language runtime, such as including the Unicode database 18:43
And using graphemes clusters as a unit. 18:45
moritz sounds about right 18:46
lizmat sandinmyjoints_: perhaps this could be of use to you: github.com/edumentab/rakudo-and-nq...als-course
sandinmyjoints_ I’m wondering what it would take to use moar as a compilation target. I see that it has bytecode, so that seems good.
But is it tied to closely to perl6 to make sense as a target for another language?
moritz are you planning to make it a statically typed language? 18:47
sandinmyjoints_ Thanks lizmat
jnthn Well, it exists primarily to serve Perl 6, but provided what you want to do is covered by the (quite wide) range of available features... 18:48
sandinmyjoints_ moritz: I wasn’t, but it’s very early days so I’m not necessarily committed to that.
jnthn We keep a pretty clean interface between the Perl 6 compiler and the VM, though, to help us manage the complexity of it all.
sandinmyjoints_ I almost certainly will write an interpreter in p6
moritz you could write it in NQP 18:49
that's a bit lower-level, closer to the metal, and more performant
but quite expressive enough to write a compiler in it
sandinmyjoints_ I was wondering about that — what would be the advantages of sticking to nqp?
Ok
jnthn Largely that the compiler authoring tools are written in NQP, so a bit more easily used from there. 18:51
sandinmyjoints_ Oh cool 18:56
I’m guessing the answer is no, but is anyone aware of any other languages using targeting moar besides p6 and nqp? 18:57
sandinmyjoints_ Is there a roadmap or process for how moar handles Unicode releases? I think I saw somewhere that it includes version 9, though I’m not sure when that doc was written. 18:59
lizmat sandinmyjoints_: there's a monthly release cycle of MoarVM. so it should probably not take longer than a few months, tuits permitting 19:05
MasterDuke m: dd $*VM 19:11
camelia VM moar = VM.new(config => ${:ar("ar"), :arflags("rcs"), :arout(""), :as("as"), :asm(".s"), :asmout("-o "), :asmswitch("-S"), :auxclean("\@:"), :be("0"), :bindir("/home/camelia/rakudo-m-inst-2/bin"), :booltype("_Bool"), :can_specific_werror("1"), :can…
MasterDuke i'm not sure if it's in there now, but ISTR some talk of putting the unicode version in
sandinmyjoints_ MasterDuke: thanks for the info. Putting the Unicode version in seems useful! +1 to that. 19:16
lizmat: thanks, good to know. Unicode 10 was released in June, maybe it’s in moar now. If I were at a computer instead of on a phone I’d check 🙂 19:23
lizmat looks like it is indeed not updated yet 19:24
or it wasn't put in the changelog
moarvm.org/releases.html
lizmat added an issue, so it doesn't hopefully fall through the cracks 19:28
github.com/MoarVM/MoarVM/issues/974
Geth MoarVM: 0583a7910a | (Patrick Sebastian Böker)++ | src/io/procops.c
Remove som dead code.
 19:34
MoarVM: 918547e6a8 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | src/io/procops.c
Merge pull request #973 from patzim/cleanup

Remove som dead code.
sandinmyjoints_ lizmat: wow, that nqp intervals course you linked above is fascinating! I’m new to making PLs and not very experienced with Perl (have come across it here and there in a decade of software engineering but never used it for anything substantial), and I had no idea that Perl had grammars built into the language. It’s a language for making languages. Seems very promising for building my first interpreter than 21:41
lizmat sandinmyjoints_: that's NQP, aka Not Quite Perl
sandinmyjoints_ Can skip a bunch of scanning code and go right into the good stuff
lizmat :-)
sandinmyjoints_ Oh right.
lizmat and it's meant to build Perl 6 with, not Perl 5 (yet anyway :-)
sandinmyjoints_ Maybe I read it wrong, but it sounded like grammars are in Perl 6 as well as nqp? 21:42
lizmat yes, they are very much a part of Perl 6
sandinmyjoints_ Either way, you’re right that nqp is what’s looking promising to me
lizmat but the grammar of Perl 6 is written in mostly NQP 21:43
sandinmyjoints_ In fact, from what I can tell in those slides, I won’t miss a lot of what nqp leaves out from p6. Seems like a lot of sugar and implicit stuff that I won’t miss if I never expected it in the first place... 21:44
geekosaur but perl 6 gives you soem stability; nobody guarantess the nqp interface or apis 21:45
and some of the things you get at p6 level aren't necessarily obvious. you'd need to be specific about types, nqp doesn't figure that out for you 21:47
like, go look at all the nqp::add_* variants
lizmat sandinmyjoints_: yeah, NQP is much closer to the metal
sandinmyjoints_: so I guess you need to make a performance / ease of implementation decisiom 21:48
*decision
sandinmyjoints_ I see. Performance is decidedly not a goal for me at this point, so it seems like p6 may be a better choice 21:52
lizmat yes, I would concur... 21:53
in the mean time, Perl 6 is getting faster and faster
except for grammars atm :-(
sandinmyjoints_ It will probably be fast st those before I ever get to the stage where I’m optimizing for perf :) 21:54
lizmat but if, as you said, performance is not an immediate goal, then you should be fine
japhb sandinmyjoints_: Also consider checking out masak's work on 007 (github.com/masak/007) for a comparison of another language implemented in Perl 6 22:08
japhb (in this case, a research language designed for exploring macro implementation) 22:09
jnthn Fresh typos^Wblog post! 6guts.wordpress.com/2018/09/28/fas...perations/ 22:44
timotimo yay blogthn 23:20
jnthn++ # good post 23:28
sandinmyjoints_ Thanks japhb 23:35

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