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omg, so many people here already!
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jnthn And plenty of ops, to kick me if I do something crazy :) 19:12
japhb_ Mostly just the people coming from the dark side of the moon
japhb_ watched Iron Sky last night, so it's on his brane 19:13
Wow, did I just manage to make the fastest Godwin's Law reference ever?
TimToady so, what's this channel about, anyway?
diakopter btw it's logged already
masak moritz++ 19:14
diakopter hee
hm, now how do I undo that
pmichaud "first kick!" .oO( is that like "first post!"? )
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masak I'll try to behave better from now on... 19:15
jnthn 6guts.wordpress.com/2013/05/31/moar...nd-rakudo/
moderator 6guts.wordpress.com/2013/05/31/moar...nd-rakudo/ 19:16
masak goes into publishing mode too 19:16
jnthn So, the post looks right? :) 19:17
moderator is github.com/jnthn/moarvm 19:17
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jnthn diakopter: wrong url :P 19:17
moderator github.com/moarvm/moarvm 19:18
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TimToady jnthn's post has made planetsix 19:25
japhb_ Posted on HN too now, I hear 19:26
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FROGGS \\o/ 19:26
japhb_ See, now *that's* a proper first comment. :-) 19:27
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FROGGS I hereby officially request a commit bit :o) 19:33
diakopter NEVER
oh wait..
japhb_ heh
jnthn
.oO( I'm so glad we have diakopter here to encourage contributors... )
FROGGS stopped in the middle of starting to cry
jnthn FROGGS: Hm, what's your github id? 19:34
FROGGS my nick
<---
jnthn oh, duh
I was typing a username into the repo name box
And wondering why it didn't autocomplete...
FROGGS, [Coke]: you now have commit bits 19:35
[Coke] ... or you could do that. :P
nwc10 whatever generates the Makefile, it needs to use a tab and not 4 spaces for the "test" target
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dukeleto o/ 19:36
TimToady \\o
dukeleto TimToady: fancy seeing you here :)
pmichaud o/
[Coke] nwc10: was just fixing that.
dukeleto is on a plane headed to YAPC::NA
dukeleto is happy to hear about MoarVM 19:37
FROGGS jnthn: thanks!
[Coke] too slow.
nwc10: jonathan just fixed it. 19:38
jnthn oops, sorry :)
[Coke] jnthn: you want commit updates to come to this channel?
jnthn [Coke]: I was just about to task if anyone knew how to do that.
[Coke] I can do it on the github side. need dalek to join here.
er, you can do it on the github side (i'm a member, not an admin) 19:39
jnthn [Coke]: What do I need to do? 19:40
FROGGS it is an irc service hook
maybe steal the post url from rakudo 19:41
[Coke] not irc, but aye.
one moment.
FROGGS ohh, so not irc :o)
[Coke] go to moarvm project. click on settings. service hooks . webhook urls 19:42
add something like feather3.perl6.nl:5000/dalek?t=freenode,moarvm
jnthn Added 19:45
[Coke] working on getting it to build on darwin. (cheating and assuming it's basically linux. :) 19:47
FROGGS failed to build ubuntu: gist.github.com/FROGGS/60d9fab7bc21d6c18d12 19:48
just wanted to say, no need for an instant fix :o)
(since I really have to write the slides now)
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jnthn FROGGS: That looks like something APR related 19:50
nwc10 ho ho ho, APR loves me:
typedef off64_t apr_off_t;
not found the *fix* to that bug on Google yet
FROGGS jnthn: is there something I can try?
$ apr-config --version 19:51
1.4.6
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dukeleto is moar on Travis yet? 19:51
PerlJam: hola
PerlJam I just joined to tell you guys are *crazy* ... but in a good way :-)
FROGGS indeed, they are 19:52
minutes ago I had to explain the history of perl 6 just to explain my excitement :o)
to my wife *
eternaleye A very good way indeed - looking forward to a future with moar p6 :P
nwc10 Ah, OK, why is it picking clang? 19:53
diakopter it is? 19:54
jnthn Good question. It looks like it's picking up clang ahead of gcc.
diakopter oh yeah.
jnthn wonders how deliberate that is
diakopter cuz it's faster
masak "a future with moar p6" \\o/
nwc10 this isn't a great idea, as I'm pretty sure I don't trust the clang I've got installed on Wheezy
jnthn diakopter: It's not faster for those it doesn't work out for... :)
diakopter heh.
jnthn Any objection to defaulting to gcc?
diakopter yes, it should check version >3
3.2
no
nwc10 tries removing clang and trying again 19:55
diakopter updated my talk to reflect it: www.yapcna.org/yn2013/talk/4734
FROGGS nwc10: a week ago some guy had a Perl 5 XS problem where it picked up clang too instead of gcc, maybe there is some ENV var of Perl 5 Config item?
dukeleto oy
the problem is pervasive 19:56
Parrot thought it was smart by using the $Config values of Perl 5 to figure various things out
THIS IS A HORRIBLE IDEA
nwc10 perl 5's config will tell you about the compiler used to build Perl 5. So if that was clang, it will think it wants clang
dukeleto Please MoarVM, don't do that.
jnthn dukeleto: We're not doing that, afaik. 19:57
dukeleto jnthn: yay!
:)
jnthn Certainly, the thing I'm currently looking at doesn't attempt to do that.
dukeleto I see that the build system for moar is "interesting" :)
jnthn It's "boring" :)
diakopter :)
masak .oO( It's "moaring" ) 19:58
dukeleto jnthn: ah. I guess it is interesting to me because I haven't ever used some of those "boring" things :)
jnthn I don't want it to become too clever if we can avoid it, 'cus I'm not sure we want it to depend on Perl 5 forever. But for now that's the pragmatic option.
nwc10 I sure don't want anything to depend on Perl 5 forever
dukeleto jnthn: awesome. Great to see all this.
[Coke] nearly has things working on OS X.
jnthn is greatly relieved at the initial positive reaction :) 19:59
FROGGS of course, that is what I dreamed of
[Coke] tryign to run in nqp-cc . it requires a parrot nqp. I duplicate the one I have lying around, put it in nqp-cc/nqp, then run Configure.pl --gen-nqp . it attempt to talk to the github server and then says: 20:00
error: pathspec '2013.05-148-g76f3e34' did not match any file(s) known to git.
eternaleye jnthn: Considering how much work you've been putting in, and how cool your posts about the JVM have been, I think the initial response is the only one that makes sense. "Hey, the guy who's been doing lots of awesome VM work for months is making a VM!"
jnthn: If it had been announced in another blog it may have actually gotten a different response, but I suspect it would still be positive. 20:02
jnthn [Coke]: That's odd. I took the output straight form "nqp --version" of one I knew worked...
[Coke] doing a --fetch tags, jic.
eternaleye But a large part of it is that you've built up significant credit as a cool guy with cool ideas.
dukeleto git tags are fetched by default 20:03
[Coke]: but yes, if you haven't fetch recently, you won't have that tag
PerlJam eternaleye: not just cool ideas but *working code*
dukeleto jnthn: i am interested to help with FFI/NCI/etc in Moar. Let me know when the time is right for that. 20:04
[Coke] I don't often fetch. normall I pull --rebase
moritz [Coke]: that fetches too
dukeleto [Coke]: "git pull --rebase" = "git fetch && git rebase"
[Coke]: but thanks for playing!
jnthn dukeleto: The stuff I started and arnsholt++ has been carrying on is the right direction...
dukeleto: That is, for NQP on Parrot
dukeleto: Most notably, the fact that it uses 6model reprs. 20:05
dukeleto jnthn: ok, i will look at that when my priority stack looks less like a mountain
jnthn The choice of dyncall vs. libffi is off to the side of that, really. It's the 6model integration that really matters.
dukeleto jnthn: yep 20:06
jnthn: the library that we do ffi with is somewhat arbitrary and not that important
libffi seems to have a lot more platforms supported and gets many pull requests per week. That is what makes it attractive to me.
jnthn dukeleto: Yeah. I've been very happy with dyncall so far.
Well, at the time I looked, dyncall seemed the more active one and to support plenty. 20:07
But I don't feel strongly. If whoever works on it does it with libffi, provided it works out fine on our key platforms, I'm fine.
[Coke] jnthn: in 2013.05-148-g76f3e34, it's tag dash number of commits dash a commit hash ?
jnthn yes 20:08
oh...I just wonder if...
[Coke] so github.com/perl6/nqp/commit/g76f3e34 should go somewhere?
jnthn ...my NQP is from the rak-jvm-support branch.
Sure should...
[Coke] 404.
jnthn oh, maybe you need fully qualified
oh, without the g too 20:09
moritz [Coke]: without the leading g, maybe
anyway, I get the same error
[Coke] moritz: 404
jnthn Does git show 76f3e34 work?
moritz no
[Coke] fatal: ambiguous argument '76f3e34': unknown revision or path not in the working tree.
moritz jnthn: is that an unpushed commit?
[Coke] Use '--' to separate paths from revisions
masak the 'g' in 'git describe' output means 'Git'.
jnthn moritz: d'oh d'oh d'oh
Sorry all 20:10
masak it's not part of the commit SHA1.
moritz masak: I thought it meant "go away" :-)
masak haha
jnthn I've now pushed. 20:11
[Coke], moritz: give it another try
moritz jnthn: it's cloning again
[Coke] that seems better. 20:12
er, you pushed to nqp or moar? ;) 20:13
nqp, aye?
dukeleto the "g" seperates the number of commits (to the left) and the sha1 (to the right)
Also, it is the next letter after "f"
jnthn [Coke]: nqp
dukeleto and "g" is not in hexadecimal. Also it stands for "Git" and "good $deity are you freaking kidding me?" 20:14
nwc10 OK, with gcc, the Raspberry Pi can build MoarVM
however, it will now take a few hours to build a native Parrot and NQP for the cross compiler... 20:15
diakopter wat.
dukeleto nwc10: that is awesome to hear
diakopter nwc10: meanwhile, try ./moarvm --dump foo.moarvm 20:16
oh wait, there's no .moarvm out there
jnthn, want to upload a few?
nwc10 how *new* a parrot do I need?
diakopter it does it for you
masak the RASPBERRY PI builds MoarVM?
\\o/
diakopter ./Configure.pl --gen-nqp
nwc10 diakopter: I have one from Nov 2012.
it will take 2 hours to build fresh current
diakopter scrap it
[Coke] ok. in nqp-cc, I configured. next step: "run nqp"... there was no install, aye? I have to run it in situ in the build dir?
jnthn [Coke]: Ah, yes. 20:17
nwc10 the Raspberry Pi builds most things. Albeit slowly :-)
jnthn [Coke]: Feel free to update the README to include the path where it puts it
[Coke] ok. sadly:
PerlJam so ... when I 'perl Configure.pl && make' on my ubuntu box, it says "undefined reference to `uuid_generate'"
[Coke] ???? ./nqp/nqp nqp-moar-cc.nqp -e "say('Hello, MoarVM')"
... no output.
nwc10 oh, hangon, how portable is the moarvm byetcode? 20:18
jnthn nwc10: Portable.
nwc10: Nothing machine specific.
I hope. :)
diakopter I think we made it detect endian-ness, right?
jnthn diakopter: Well, it detects it, but the spec has it one way.
diakopter: That is, it decodes it. 20:19
diakopter yeah
nwc10 jnthn: OK, let us test that...
jnthn [Coke]: Aww 20:20
[Coke] (cd nqp && ./nqp -e 'say(3)') -> segfault 20:21
[Coke] does a git clean and tries again.
jnthn wonders where it's failing 20:22
You can also try: nqp nqp-moar-cc.nqp --stagestats -e "say('hello')" 20:23
The final line should be soemthing like "Stage moar : 0.000"
diakopter you're a millisecond 20:24
jnthn At least we know Moar's startup time isn't too bad yet :P 20:25
I'm not sure what the timer resolution is, though.
[Coke] that version segfaults on a fresh build.
jnthn [Coke]: Segfaults at which point? 20:26
[Coke] just dies if invoked from outside the build dir, cd to build dir, ./nqp ... segf
simply "./nqp" in nqp-cc/nqp causes a segfault.
jnthn eek
Wonder if it's finding other pieces in the path?
But shouldn't do that really... 20:27
diakopter I had it do that
had to wipe out c:\\Parrot\\
[Coke] Pretty sure it used a pre-installed parrot to build.
diakopter not good 20:28
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[Coke] should be fine, though, unless this branch is requiring a specific version of parrot. 20:30
diakopter `patch`: howdy
[Coke] but probably not worth fixing.
`patch` diakopter: hi! 20:31
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tadzik hello hello 20:32
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tadzik #perl6 is suprisingly calm, so I suspect this may be the excited channel :) 20:33
colomon \\o/
no clogging here yet?
diakopter yes clogs
PerlJam irclog.perlgeek.de/moarvm 20:34
colomon PerlJam++
[Coke] colomon: you should be able to build on darwin now. haven't made gotten nqp-cc to work yet, but close.
PerlJam moritz++ (that was like the first thing I checked too :)
colomon [Coke]: trying now
(backlogging) FROGGS, I also had to explain the history of the VMs to my wife. It's just that kind of day... 20:35
FROGGS colomon: a good day as it turns out 20:36
moderator github.com/moarvm/moarvm irclog.perlgeek.de/moarvm/today 20:37
tadzik NQP revision 2013.05-148-g76f3e34 required (currently 2013.05-3-g0255fc8) 20:37
moderator github.com/moarvm/moarvm | IRC logs at irclog.perlgeek.de/moarvm/today 20:37
tadzik that sounds weird 20:37
moritz tadzik: different branches
tadzik oh! 20:38
so what branch do I need, rak-jvm-support?
jnthn yeah, I thought it wouldn't matter since you end up on the sha-1
[Coke] I would just do --gen-nqp --gen-parrot for now
jnthn But anyways, those branches get merged soon. :)
I got some flying to do before that, though... 20:39
[Coke] (no point in making the "get nqp & parrot" step awesome if it's going away.
tadzik I fly tomorrow to
* too
and will have power on the plane, probably :)
FROGGS [Coke]: I'm a bit confused, do I need to pass --gen-nqp/--gen-parrot to MoarVM's Configure.pl? 20:40
jnthn FROGGS: No, to the one in the nqp-cc directory 20:41
FROGGS ahh
does that now 20:42
tadzik heh, nqp just segfaulted for me in parallel build :)
pmichaud twitter.com/MoarVM/status/340569306553274368 20:44
(retweetable) 20:45
tadzik retweeted
does MoarVM has a mascot?
jnthn Not yet :)
tadzik like www.reactionimage.org/img/gallery/5816489306.jpg
nwc10 Yep. Portable 20:46
nick@raspberrypi ~/Perl/MoarVM $ ./moarvm temp.moarvm Hello, MoarVM
naughty terminal
jnthn \\o/
nwc10 at least, I can build all the *.moarvm files on x86_64 and ship them to a 32 bit ARM
still all little endian
Why is it ModuleLoader.class ? 20:47
anyway, win
the Raspberry Pi is still building parrot
jnthn nwc10: Um.
diakopter jnthn: I told you about that artifact :P
jnthn nwc10: So the story is that I was trying to make things work on Moar without revealing its existence ;)
And I was too lazy to actually make an nqp fork :) 20:48
I'll clear that up at some point soon.
It really is a MoarVM bytecode file
nwc10 If I can find a big endian machine that I have access to "tomorrow" I'll try a bit more "portabiltly"
yes, I figured that after looking at it in les
jnthn tadzik: Isn't that a bit boaring? :P
nwc10 I think that your "magic number" could be more exciting: 20:49
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portable_Netw...ile_header
jnthn Well, it gets the \\r\\n trick at least
pmichaud .mbc ? .mvm ? 20:50
jnthn pmichaud: At the moment they come out as .moarvm.
pmichaud right.
[Coke] 3 test failures on darwin.
pmichaud that's just too long for me :)
jnthn pmichaud: OK, let's make it something you like :) 20:51
[Coke]: Paste welcome :)
diakopter pmichaud.metamodelonaruntimevirtualmachine
PerlJam mvm
[Coke] gist.github.com/coke/5687886
jnthn [Coke]: Was that on make test or make nqptest?
[Coke] make test.
pmichaud I'm just tossing out ideas, none of them strike me as "right". .mvm seems to be not used except for some obscure movie format
[Coke] (in nqp-cc)
jnthn ah, make test
jnthn wonders if the socket ones fail due to some proxy thing 20:52
The float one is worth looking into
[Coke] (proxy) could be.
nwc10 do the socket tests try to connect to the world? 20:53
[Coke] updated, one failure in nqptest also
nwc10 something "more exiting" would be invalid UTF-8, to see if it gets mangled as a replacement character. Or suchlike 20:54
jnthn nwc10: yes
nwc10 one octet in the range 128-255 ought to be good enough to mess with things 20:55
jnthn [Coke]: What happens if you run that test in isolation?
[Coke] gist.github.com/coke/5687886
jnthn Weird 20:56
FROGGS jnthn: I think I know what is wrong on my box: "checking uuid.h presence... no" 20:57
err, no
jnthn FROGGS: Hm, so I wonder why it then complains about it...
FROGGS checking uuid/uuid.h presence... y
[Coke] jnthn: even better. if I print out $x.bar before the test, it prints "BARBAR" and then test 2 passes (t/nqp/57-construction.t) 20:59
FROGGS "checking for library containing uuid_generate... -luuid" -> "3rdparty/apr/misc/unix/rand.c:75: undefined reference to `uuid_generate'"
this happens in 3rdparty/apr/.libs/libapr-1.a 21:00
do uuid needs to be statically linked?
jnthn FROGGS: Hm, perhaps so. I'm wondering why it works on other systems if that's missing, though... 21:01
[Coke] wishes someone would give chromatic a hug. 21:04
jnthn [Coke]: Very odd. Platform is...OSX, 32-bit or 64-bit?
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tadzik heh. Seeing "t/moar/6model.t" made me think of Test::Moar 21:11
oh joy. I jave t/nqp/16-ternary.t segfaulting... unless ran under gdb 21:14
I managed to get gist.github.com/tadzik/5688065 from valgrind 21:15
jnthn eek, it crashed in the bytecode assembler. 21:16
tadzik I'll try to get a debugging nqp build 21:17
if that'd help
maybe a moar debug would be more appropriate
but it's already -g, apparently
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jnthn tadzik: Well, it lacks line numbers, but there's only one place it makes the call in question anyway 21:19
tadzik ah, ok
jnthn hm, though it could be handy to have the exact line in the top frame
tadzik jnthn: gist.github.com/tadzik/5688096 nqp-cc compiled with -ggdb 21:20
has some line numbers
jnthn Thanks
tadzik thank _you_ 21:21
jnthn Hm. Unfortunately, it explodes *inside* the ResizableStringArray code
FROGGS jnthn: using the dynamic lib of apr works btw
jnthn oh, I wonder... 21:22
FROGGS All tests successful.
\\o/
jnthn FROGGS: for make test and make nqptest?
FROGGS and the speed feels almost perl5ish
tadzik jnthn: so, nqp debugging build?
FROGGS make test
jnthn tadzik: moment
FROGGS make nqptest is running right now
cognominal reading about libiuv in jnthn blog. Is there an intended convergence between v8/node and moarvm/rakudo-star or is it just an evolutionary thing? 21:23
I wish I could use npm modules from rakudo
jnthn cognominal: Mostly just that libuv seems to do a lot of stuff right. 21:24
cognominal: Not a connection with node, just making use of libuv :) 21:25
FROGGS jnthn: make nqptest passes too 21:27
jnthn tadzik: Try the commit I just pash 21:28
FROGGS: yay
FROGGS: What did you have to do to get it to work?
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FROGGS jnthn: gist.github.com/FROGGS/60d9fab7bc2...ent-838539 21:30
jnthn Hm, ok
Wonder if that can be folded into the configure system somehow 21:31
FROGGS jnthn: I see the line where it wants the .a in the config
jnthn: is the static lib preferable?
I mean, dlls are always a bit icky when you have another version installed system wide 21:32
jnthn FROGGS: I *think* the history may be that I did it the static way to get soemthing working on Windows, and then we ended up with the same on Linux. 21:33
tadzik jnthn: yep, seems to have helped :) 21:35
jnthn \\o/
FROGGS jnthn: should I patch it to use the dll for: [ ] gcc only [ ] clang only [ ] both ? 21:38
jnthn FROGGS: imho, which you can verify that it works on
FROGGS can't test clang I suppose, so I leave that as it is 21:39
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FROGGS ahhh, hold on 21:54
jnthn: the apr-1.lib on windows is just an importlib, right? 21:55
[Coke] x86_64
colomon [Coke]: having difficulty building on darwin? 22:00
[Coke]: let me try that again. I am having difficultly building on darwin...
[Coke]: first level works, but nqp-cc build fails. 22:03
[Coke] colomon: use a fresh nqp & parrot.
perl Configure --gen-nqp --gen-parrot
colomon [Coke]: I did ... both --gen-nqp and --gen-parrot? 22:04
[Coke] if you pick up an old parrot or nqp, it seems to be very unhappy
colomon I only did --gen-nqp, I think.
hmmm...
[Coke] both, yes, assuming you have parrot available in your path.
Yes, that failed for me as well, using an existing parrot.
colomon trying again... 22:05
[Coke] and see the backlog for a gist with things that fail for me 22:06
(in make test & nqptest)
eternaleye jnthn: If you want good debuginfo, I'd recommend -ggdb3 -gdwarf-4 and then use objcopy/strip to split the debuginfo into a separate file. 22:08
jnthn: Especially since using objcopy to split it out lets you compress said debug info with zlib.
jnthn: Even with -O2 I get damn good backtraces.
colomon [Coke]: configure failed for me this time. may turn off perlbrew, I get troubles in Rakudo with it as well. 22:11
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colomon hmmm, it's doing a lot of something.... 22:16
FROGGS in absence of dalek, I push two commits (build on linux/gcc)
jnthn eternaleye: Thanks, good to know. 22:17
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eternaleye jnthn: Yeah. -gdwarf-4 sets it to use version 4 of the DWARF format, but because of the way commandlines are parsed you can't set the debug *level* in the same option. So you then use -ggdb3 to set it to maximum detail. 22:18
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colomon [Coke]: I get near total failures on make test 22:22
Reason: Incompatible library version: moarvm requires version 5.0.0 or later, but libapr-1.0.dylib provides version 4.0.0
japhb_ And ... there's the flip side of the dylib/static debate 22:24
jnthn grmbl 22:25
masak hm. maybe there should be a build FAQ somewhere, with collected learnings from people who discover stuff while building.
jnthn I love how a -1.0 provies 4.0 :)
colomon appears to have three difference versions of libapr on his system... apr-1, apr-1.0, apr-1.0.3.8 22:26
FROGGS colomon: that is the same library
and same version
colomon ah
FROGGS like perl5.10.1 is a perl5.10 is a perl5 22:27
colomon none of which is really 5.0.0, I suppose
FROGGS you have 1.3.8
I have 1.4.6 or so
colomon I'm still on OS X 10.6.8 or so 22:28
FROGGS if it says that it requires 5.0.0 then I guess it was compiled against the 5.0.0 headers, but was linked then against the system lib with the lower version
colomon finally realizes he can build MoarVM on his Linux box
or not. 22:29
3rdparty/apr/include/apr_general.h:28:17: fatal error: apr.h: No such file or directory
curse you, apr!
FROGGS :/
that is pretty weird
but you dont have a space in path? 22:30
colomon FROGGS: nope
FROGGS hmmm
colomon think I just don't have APR on that box
FROGGS hmm, that apr.h gets created 22:31
there is a 3rdparty/apr/include/apr.h.in (and an apr.h on my box now)
japhb_ colomon, did you remember to configure before making? 22:32
jnthn APR gets bundled in the repo, so it should be using that one
FROGGS there should be noe
*no makefile before configuring
japhb_ Yeah, that's why I'm confused how he got that.
FROGGS, Yeah, I thought of that just after I pressed enter.
FROGGS must be an error before that step
colomon I must just be special 22:33
FROGGS *g*
colomon starting over from the git clone
FROGGS looks like the debuggathons won't be boring :P
colomon perl Configure.pl --gen-parrot --gen-nqp
Unknown option: gen-parrot
Unknown option: gen-nqp
Welcome to MoarVM!
FROGGS wrong directory 22:34
colomon so that is correct?
FROGGS these option need to go to nqp-cc/
japhb_ colomon, The top level Configure.pl is just for MoarVM itself.
FROGGS and dont need args
japhb_ After building MoarVM, go into the cross-compiler directory (under tools/) and do the line you did above.
FROGGS I'm going to bed now, will get to the airport in about 8 hours :/ 22:35
gnight
diakopter oh boy, another high-volume irc channel I won't have time to backlog
colomon has 18 hours to the airport
okay, after I do perl Configure.pl, when I do make is when I get the 22:36
3rdparty/apr/include/apr_general.h:28:17: fatal error: apr.h: No such file or directory
message
diakopter what dir are you in after that error 22:37
colomon root MoarVN
VM
diakopter wee-uhd.
colomon do you guys have an apr.h 3rdparty? 22:39
*in your
diakopter it bundles apr source right now
there must've been a problem configuring/building apr during the moar configure 22:40
colomon there's no report of it..
Configuring APR ....................................... OK
but yeah, it kind of seems like that, doesn't it?
diakopter yeah, we need to test how that turns out. 22:41
colomon tell me what to do
diakopter sounds like you're up to the challenge :P
colomon will have to help put his son to bed in a few minutes, mind you...
when I go in 3rdparty/apr and run ./ocnfigure by hand, I get 22:45
rm: cannot remove `libtoolT': No such file or directory 22:46
not sure if that was a failure or not.
still no apr.h
diakopter wtf
are you in cygwin? 22:47
colomon nope, Ubuntu
12.10, even
diakopter sorry, we don't support linux older than 1 week 22:49
colomon afk # bedtime 22:50
diakopter that was a joke.. :p 22:56
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BrowserUk Is there a description of the MoarVM anywhere? (eg. stack or register based? Reentrant? CRT memory management or custom? Runloop: table-driven gotos or calls? Size of the builtin opcode list? Etc.) 23:31
eternaleye BrowserUk: If it exists, it's probably in github.com/MoarVM/MoarVM/tree/master/docs
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jnthn Also the full op list is in src/core/oplist 23:33
eternaleye jnthn: One thing I wonder is whether VCGC/MCGC would work as a future direction regarding GC 23:34
jnthn Largely driven by what nqp:: wnats
eternaleye jnthn: Those have the benefit of not requiring pauses in order to do collection
jnthn Yeah. They have drawbacks too, so the current one is parallel rather than concurrent. 23:35
(One drawback being implementation complexity.) 23:36
eternaleye jnthn: Mm, true.
jnthn As a huge generalization, pause time and throughput are trade-offs.
dukeleto testing
eternaleye jnthn: And thinking back to Parrot, pluggable GC seems... unlikely :P
jnthn Pluggable GC has JIT as a pre-requisite. 23:37
eternaleye dukeleto: Looks like it's working.
jnthn At least, if you don't want to hose performance.
dukeleto eternaleye: thanks :) 23:38
jnthn I mean, you can use the JIT to emit the correct write barriers for the active GC, to the switching overhead vanishes on any hot path code.
*so
colomon diakopter: not my bedtime, Henry's
diakopter: so we have two bugs? apr's configure fails (maybe?) and MoarVM's Configure.pl doesn't notice? 23:39
jnthn For now, though, I'd rather focus on getting one GC that works nicely. It's already generational, which helps make most pauses shorter.
OK, I really should sleep...flight for YAPC::NA tomorrow 23:40
colomon o/
jnthn 'night 23:41
colomon see you tomorrow, maybe?
jnthn colomon: Maybe. masak and I land at 7pm or so.
colomon 90 minutes after me.
jnthn colomon: Sunday is perhaps more likely. Will see.
:)
colomon Sunday for sure, I hope!
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BrowserUk What is your reaction if I say that your VM opcode list is completely wrong? 23:41
jnthn BrowserUk: "fine, but then the nqp:: opcode list is completley wrong too" :) 23:42
diakopter BrowserUk: it's not meant to be optimizable at that level, if that's what you're thinking
jnthn Well, it's meant to not lose the 6model-meaningful operations. 23:43
masak I think "completely wrong" needs to be qualified somehow. :)
if it runs stuff, surely it does something right. 23:44
eternaleye jnthn: You know, since the AST is called "MAST" I can't help but think the appropriate name for a parsing function is "Chew"
diakopter BrowserUk: wrong for what purpose/goal/priorities?
dukeleto BrowserUk: completely wrong implies there is a completely right, which there isn't :)
eternaleye Because it MASTicates the input.
jnthn ;)
masak *groan* 23:45
BrowserUk Hm. Better reaction than I expected. 23:46
diakopter this isn't perlmonks :P
dukeleto BrowserUk: we are immune to trolling here, so you will have to get by on technical prowess :) 23:47
TimToady do we have a hugbot here yet?
masak we totally should. 23:48
dukeleto waxes his trolling trophies
TimToady: we surely need one
BrowserUk Okay. Its gone midnight here, so I'll write up what I mean and come back tomorrow. (And I ain't rolling ;) 23:50
masak BrowserUk++
BrowserUk Night all.
masak o/
jnthn 'night
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jnthn OK, really sleep... :) 23:51
&
colomon huh. I just built the apr included with MoarVM, despite not having an apr.h. 23:59
diakopter yes, it's supposed to build that

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