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rcmlz @librasteve regarding your request for comment for raku.org - maybe the “if you declare your script to use e.g Raku 6.d you can always upgrade the rakudo environment fearlessly …” feature is worth emphazising. Can not login to github right now, thats why the comment via this channel. github.com/librasteve/raku-org-25-proto 14:25
but perhaps in times of containers, flatpacks and nixos-way this is not so much of a feature. 14:27
I like that my very old (Perl) scripts still work - hope this holds true for the stuff I am doing in Raku too 14:28
thinking about the „code example“ section - would it not be cool to have all code examples „runable“, so people can press a button? The concept is called „Use-Modify-Create“ in teaching. 14:37
Maybe there is even an HTMX-element that can do that securely on the web-server so that Jupyter or similar is not needed … 14:46
librasteve glot.io/snippets/h7sotvz66u <= like this? 14:50
rcmlz Yes, but initially only the source code (nicely highlighted) and the „Run“ button. Inly when it got executed the output is shown. 14:52
librasteve my preference, if we want to have runnable snippets on new raku.org, that we link out to glot.io (or similar) because I don’t want to risk the site going down through malicious code 14:53
from a design pov I am pretty allergic to gadgets too :-) 14:54
rcmlz Yes, how this can be done technically is also important. Just wanted to mention that „Use-Modify-Create“ exists and people in CS education like it :-) 14:55
If teachers like Raku, maybe its gets used in education more, which might lead to more Rakoons once they grown up … 14:56
librasteve but doesn’t having a “try it now” link that opens the snippet in glot.io provide that?
rcmlz Most website do not want the users to leave - if another tab opens maybe the user does not come back 14:57
But I guess it is far to early for technical details 14:58
During brain storming we should focus on ideas, not obstacles 14:59
librasteve lol - i did break the rules of brainstorming that’s true - but i want to be realistic about expectations for this project - making and maintaining a public raku sandbox is not on the table - this is about a small, attractive and effective static website 15:04
rcmlz glot.io/api 15:07
librasteve a broken link :-) 15:08
rcmlz oh, did not click further - lol 15:09
anyhow, was just an idea, and we are in the wrong channel :-) 15:10
librasteve yeah … but it goes to my point that a year from now if we choose to integrate to the glot api when they change something we likely will not even notice something is broken since the maintainer tuits should be considered minimal 15:14
glot.io/snippets/h78lxqki6p 15:20
^^^ looks like glot has some abuse
rcmlz what can I see there? 15:32
Some suspicious looking links? 15:34
librasteve yes 15:40
i have raised an issue in the glot io source repo
rcmlz Knowing that dynamic is out of scope, I had a look what other “newcommers” have. How about something like that in v2? tour.gleam.run/table-of-contents/ 15:49
does not even has a run button - just executes on change 15:51
nice
librasteve its lovely (I certainly will steal from it) - tbh I am not convinced that a sandbox on the main site is necessary to make a language successful - but I see the attraction and the gleam one is well implemented - btw I note that their site does not work in dark mode ;-) 15:55
(I mean I will steal design and content ideas from the home page)
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I would say the set of comparable benchmark sites is something like Python, Rust, Zig, Ruby, Go (happy to consider others but these seem to be a representative set of successful and relatively new languages) - of these only Go has a sandbox on or linked from the home page 16:07
antononcube Python 🤮, Rust 🤮, Zig 🤷‍♂️ , Ruby 🥀 , Go ↪️ 16:28
librasteve haha
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