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| patrickb | Altai-man: This is the raku.org revamp by CIAvash: github.com/Raku/problem-solving/issues/158 | 08:36 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| tellable6 | patrickb, I'll pass your message to Altai-man_ | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| sena_kun | patrickb, thanks, will look at it. | 08:39 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| patrickb | sena_kun: The question of "Who has the say" is a very important question with visual designy issues. As such issues are usually very bike-sheddable. So finding / defining a general answer to the "Who" question will prove valuable in the future also. | 08:42 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| sena_kun | patrickb, 1)while the ticket is kind of similar (though has a different approach), I'm thinking towards docs.*, examples.* sites design, while I am fine with raku.org. Most likely they don't need to be very similar. As for bike-shedding - I'd say we can choose a couple of design-wise people who can point out things missed, and do 1-3 iterations with them, not allowing everyone pull the blanket as was seen on e.g. rename, not to make this process | 08:45 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| I mean, reasonable requests like "It misses a favicon, colors should consider color blindness" are awesome, requests like "I don't like these colors, make them lighter, I don't like them, make them darker" are no way. | 08:47 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| That's why it is not a ticket for problem-solving, there is no "official" issue behind.. | 08:48 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Also, the ticket you mentioned is so, it doesn't describe an "issue", only "We have a new template, what's next?". | 08:50 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| patrickb | sena_kun: True, that ticket doesn't belong into problem-solving. | 08:53 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| sena_kun: Also I share your opinion that docs and examples are in need of a design fresh up while raku.org is ok-ish. | 08:54 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ShimmerFairy | nqp-m: my @a; my int8 $b := 42; nqp::writeint(@a, 0, $b, nqp::const::BINARY_SIZE_16_BIT); say(nqp::atpos(@a, 0)); say(nqp::atpos(@a, 1)); | 09:29 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| camelia | (signal SEGV) | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ShimmerFairy | I know writeint expects a typed array, but I feel like there's a better solution than a segfault (I was wondering if it was just my local copy faulting). | 09:30 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| lizmat | m: use nqp; my @a; my int8 $b = 42; nqp::writeint(@a, 0, $b, nqp::const::BINARY_SIZE_16_BIT); say(nqp::atpos(@a, 0)); say(nqp::atpos(@a, 1)); | 09:32 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| camelia | This representation (P6opaque) does not support positional access (for type Array) in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1 |
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| ShimmerFairy | the same segfault happens if you do my $a := nqp::list() instead, btw. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| lizmat | I suggest making a MoarVM ticket for it | 09:33 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| (as this is MoarVM specific, as I don't think the JVM backend has writeint yet) | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ShimmerFairy | Moar and Javascript (which I think leans on Moar, so, yeah) | 09:34 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| jnthn | Yeah, that is most certainly a MoarVM bug | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| JJMerelo | There's apparently an XX operator I've found no reference about, except in the 6.d ChangeLog | 09:36 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| tellable6 | hey JJMerelo, you have a message: gist.github.com/71dd3f4f4ef22cf5a2...251097545e | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| JJMerelo | m: say "Nested" XX 5 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| camelia | (((Nested 5))) | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| JJMerelo | m: say "Nested" XZ 5 | 09:37 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| camelia | 5===SORRY!5=== Argument to "say" seems to be malformed at <tmp>:1 ------> 3say7ā5 "Nested" ZY 5 Two terms in a row at <tmp>:1 ------> 3say 7ā5"Nested" ZY 5 expecting any of: infix infix stopper ā¦ |
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| camelia | 5===SORRY!5=== Argument to "say" seems to be malformed at <tmp>:1 ------> 3say7ā5 "Nested" XY 3 Two terms in a row at <tmp>:1 ------> 3say 7ā5"Nested" XY 3 expecting any of: infix infix stopper ā¦ |
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| JJMerelo | m: say <a b c> X <x y z> | 09:38 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| camelia | ((a x) (a y) (a z) (b x) (b y) (b z) (c x) (c y) (c z)) | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| JJMerelo | m: say <a b c> XX <x y z> | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| camelia | (((a x)) ((a y)) ((a z)) ((b x)) ((b y)) ((b z)) ((c x)) ((c y)) ((c z))) | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| JJMerelo | m: say <a b c> XZ <x y z> | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| camelia | (((a x)) ((a y)) ((a z)) ((b x)) ((b y)) ((b z)) ((c x)) ((c y)) ((c z))) | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| JJMerelo | OK, so it's simple concatenation of operators... | 09:38 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| jnthn | JJMerelo: It's the X meta-op | 09:39 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| JJMerelo | jnthn right... Thanks. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| jnthn don't really get it, though... | 09:40 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| .tell softmoth not really. I really love what you're doing. There's another fork, which is mine, but it does not go any further than the original. | 09:41 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| tellable6 | JJMerelo, I'll pass your message to softmoth | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| JJMerelo | OK, I think I get it | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| m: say X 3 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| camelia | 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp> Two terms in a row at <tmp>:1 ------> 3say X7ā5 3 expecting any of: infix infix stopper postfix statement end statement modifier ā¦ |
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| lizmat | m: dd <a b c> X~ <d e f> | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| camelia | ("ad", "ae", "af", "bd", "be", "bf", "cd", "ce", "cf").Seq | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| lizmat | m: dd <a b c> XX <d e f> | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| camelia | ((("a", "d"),).Seq, (("a", "e"),).Seq, (("a", "f"),).Seq, (("b", "d"),).Seq, (("b", "e"),).Seq, (("b", "f"),).Seq, (("c", "d"),).Seq, (("c", "e"),).Seq, (("c", "f"),).Seq).Seq | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| lizmat | not sure what use XX would be, maybe that should produce a warning as it could be confused with xx ? | 09:42 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| JJMerelo | Ah, OK | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| The thing is it's apparently inventing an empty element. | 09:43 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| m: dd <a b c> X <d e f> | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| camelia | (("a", "d"), ("a", "e"), ("a", "f"), ("b", "d"), ("b", "e"), ("b", "f"), ("c", "d"), ("c", "e"), ("c", "f")).Seq | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| lizmat | m: dd +(<a b c> X~ <d e f>) | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| camelia | 9 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| lizmat | m: dd +(<a b c> XX <d e f>) | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| camelia | 9 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| JJMerelo | m: dd <a b>.Seq X <c d> | 09:45 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| camelia | (("a", "c"), ("a", "d"), ("b", "c"), ("b", "d")).Seq | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| JJMerelo | m: dd <a b> X <c d> | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| camelia | (("a", "c"), ("a", "d"), ("b", "c"), ("b", "d")).Seq | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| JJMerelo | No idea. Never mind. The existence of XX has been clarified. Thanks! | 09:46 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| m: dd <a b> Xxx (3,4) | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| camelia | (("a", "a", "a").Seq, ("a", "a", "a", "a").Seq, ("b", "b", "b").Seq, ("b", "b", "b", "b").Seq).Seq | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| jnthn | I think you'd need a list of lists on each side for it to make sense. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| m: dd [<a b>, <c d>] XX [<e f>, <g h>] | 09:47 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| camelia | ((($("a", "b"), $("e", "f")),).Seq, (($("a", "b"), $("g", "h")),).Seq, (($("c", "d"), $("e", "f")),).Seq, (($("c", "d"), $("g", "h")),).Seq).Seq | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| JJMerelo | x: dd ((1,2),3) XX (5,(6,7)) | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| m: dd ((1,2),3) XX (5,(6,7)) | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| camelia | (((1, 5), (2, 5)).Seq, ((1, 6), (1, 7), (2, 6), (2, 7)).Seq, ((3, 5),).Seq, ((3, 6), (3, 7)).Seq).Seq | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| JJMerelo | Cool. Cool, cool, cool. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| jnthn | m: dd (<a b>, <c d>) XX (<e f>, <g h>) | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| camelia | ((("a", "e"), ("a", "f"), ("b", "e"), ("b", "f")).Seq, (("a", "g"), ("a", "h"), ("b", "g"), ("b", "h")).Seq, (("c", "e"), ("c", "f"), ("d", "e"), ("d", "f")).Seq, (("c", "g"), ("c", "h"), ("d", "g"), ("d", "h")).Seq).Seq | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| jnthn | Makes rather more sense without the itemization an array brings :) | 09:48 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| You can see there's you've got <a b> X <e f>, <a b> X <g h>, and so forth. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| JJMerelo | jnthn great, thanks. used it as an example :-) | 09:51 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Geth_ | Ā¦ problem-solving: lizmat assigned to jnthn Issue Managing the Raku project as it is Coming of Age github.com/Raku/problem-solving/issues/203 | 10:13 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| Geth | rakudo/rakuast: fe783f1b00 | (Jonathan Worthington)++ | 3 files Compile very basic string literals in RakuAST This gets a lot of the grammar bits back in place, as well as adding a RakuAST node to model a quoted string with its various segments. |
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| patrickb | lizmat: You dropped a bomb. This PS issue could fundamentally change the atmosphere of the raku project. | 11:36 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| lizmat | patrickb: I'm sorry to hear you think I dropped a bomb | 11:37 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ShimmerFairy | I think it's great to make the change now, rather than when there's a bunch more people working and making it harder to organize efforts. | 11:45 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| (And I'm suddenly remembering what it was like leading up to Christmas 2015(?), and how it'd be nice to avoid some of those headaches in the future.) | 11:46 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| Kaiepi | who do i talk to when it comes to issues about a grant? | 14:55 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| rba | patrickb: Just stumbled over Dave Rolskys azure pipeline helpers for perl: github.com/houseabsolute/ci-perl-helpers Might be helpful by some means or others... | 16:26 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| Geth | rakudo/rakuast: b6a8011041 | (Jonathan Worthington)++ | 3 files Add a mechanism for marking block level statements Since loop constructs compile differently based upon it. |
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| rakudo/rakuast: 6cd1915f14 | (Jonathan Worthington)++ | 4 files Introduce `check` on CompUnit Which models all that we need to do at CHECK time. This includes a pass at reference resolution and doing any uncompleted sink marking (most likely only for synthetic ASTs), and will later include production of CHECK-time errors too. |
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| rakudo/rakuast: 41f3db72da | (Jonathan Worthington)++ | 4 files RakuAST for while/until/repeat/loop |
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| rakudo/rakuast: ba97e31cf2 | (Jonathan Worthington)++ | src/Raku/ast/base.rakumod Fix a typo; MasterDuke++ |
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| jnthn | Well, now it's probably turing complete... :) | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| MasterDuke | looks like you missed the other typo | 19:49 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| and nice. how different has the grammar/actions ended up from current? | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| jnthn | Grammar: not terribly much | 19:50 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Actions: vastly simpler | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| MasterDuke | very cool | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| jnthn | (Expected, 'cus one of the design goals was moving knowledge into the RakuAST nodes) | 19:51 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Though I think we'll end up with a net complexity reduction too | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| For example, assuming this sink model holds up, it's IMHO a lot neater than what we currently do | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| lizmat | weekly: perlmonks.org/?node_id=11117443 | 19:52 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| notable6 | lizmat, Noted! (weekly) | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| jnthn | The grammar may end up an iota simpler in that there will probably be various bits of checking it does that can't stay there | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| MasterDuke | btw, are return types not supported at that point? i.e., there are a bunch of `method foo() { True }` instead of `method foo(--> True) {}`, and my understanding is that the return constant is faster | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| jnthn | Or other bits of tracking we did for the sake of the actions that now go away | 19:53 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Didn't do those yet, but what you're looking at is actually the input to a compiler that desugars stuff into NQP code | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| MasterDuke | ah | 19:54 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| jnthn | So it's not going to have quite the same performance profile as Raku code | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| But yes, I plan to put those in, for introspection of what you get back if nothing else | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| And the --> Nil convenience | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Of course, feel free to beat me to it :) | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| There's actually a bunch of "ways to help" in the README.md in src/Raku/ast for anybody wanting to join the fun | 19:55 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| MasterDuke | i did notice those the other day. now that the optimize_gethllsym stuff seems sorted out i may read more seriously | 19:56 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Geth | rakudo/rakuast: 1d08532885 | (Jonathan Worthington)++ | src/Raku/ast/README.md Update RakuAST README (status, remove done task) |
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| MasterDuke | OTOH, i also have a still incomplete PR to libtommath for a barrett reduction-based mp_to_radix that would significantly speed up our stringification of large integers... | 19:58 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Geth | rakudo/rakuast: 34519fb94a | (Jonathan Worthington)++ | src/Raku/Grammar.nqp Remove unused dynamic variable No longer needed, since the block statement level logic now lives in RakuAST (and must be there, since it applies to synthetic ASTs too). |
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| jnthn | There's one example of the grammar getting simpler | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Geth | rakudo/rakuast: 0438fcef2e | (Jonathan Worthington)++ | src/Raku/ast/base.rakumod Fix yet another typo |
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| jnthn | At least typos are good for my commit count... :) | 20:03 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
.oO( But can I catch up with lizmat++ again? ) |
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| Geth | rakudo/rakuast: ad0c775904 | (Jonathan Worthington)++ | src/Raku/Grammar.nqp Correct regression in grammar |
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| rakudo/rakuast: 483c64d167 | (Jonathan Worthington)++ | 2 files Support list-op calls in RakuAST Which are used extensively in the tests. With this, we now pass the first sanity test in RakuAST mode. |
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| jnthn | And that'll probably do for today... | 20:28 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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