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Set by lizmat on 8 June 2022.
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Xliff P6-GLib suite timing statistics for Raku 2022.07.13.g.10.feda.116 02:31
Total number of projects: 33 (483289 loc)
tellable6 2022-08-15T01:58:53Z #raku <guifa_> Xliff: github.com/alabamenhu/PolyglotRegexen
Xliff Total non-parallel compile times: 8972.550 (271.895 avg)
Total parallel compile times: 1757.284 (53.251 avg) 5.106x speedup
This is a serious performance regression from last week. Times increased by 5% (non-parallel) and 17% (parallel)
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Geth rakudo/lizmat-numeric-suffix-as-value: 6df088ab09 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | src/core.c/Main.pm6
Introduce SUB-MAIN-OPTS<numeric-suffix-as-value>

This allows CLI arguments of the form -j2 to be interpreted as
  --j=2, making it more compatible with "normal" CLI argument interpreters		 06:01
rakudo: lizmat++ created pull request #5025:
Introduce SUB-MAIN-OPTS<numeric-suffix-as-value>
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Geth rakudo/lizmat-numeric-suffix-as-value: 05e48713b7 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | src/core.c/Main.pm6
Only do conversion for single letter args
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Geth rakudo/lizmat-numeric-suffix-as-value: 900664d89c | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | src/core.c/Main.pm6
Allow only numeric suffixes, not anything else after that
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rakudo/lizmat-expand-single-letter-options: 4111513a51 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | src/core.c/Main.pm6
Introduce SUB-MAIN-OPTS<expand-single-letter-options>

When activated, allows specification of -abc to be equivalent to
  --a --b --c		 06:45
rakudo: lizmat++ created pull request #5026:
Introduce SUB-MAIN-OPTS<expand-single-letter-options>
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lizmat and yet another Rakudo Weekly News hits the Net: rakudoweekly.blog/2022/08/15/2022-...succeeded/ 11:38
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sena_kun lizmat++ 12:16
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Geth rakudo/lizmat-ask: 7ed022b8d9 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | src/core.e/control.pm6
Add "ask" as an alias to "prompt" in 6.e
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rakudo: lizmat++ created pull request #5028:
Add "ask" as an alias to "prompt" in 6.e		 17:13
tbrowder lizmat: thanks, but i'm not trying to be "butt-headed" (well, mayn 17:22
*maybe a bit :-) 17:23
lizmat well, I wanted to make it concrete about what we're talking about :-)
no worries
lizmat is still not convinced... :-)
tbrowder i really do like your CLI::Help and am using on a new module 17:24
lizmat :-) 17:25
tbrowder on another subject, IO::Path. i would really to see something symmetric with method extension on basename. 17:26
something like stem, maybe. 17:27
OR a pair: IO::Path.basename.parts 17:28
that would return (stem, suffix) 17:29
lizmat doesn't something like that not already exist in the ecosystem ? 17:31
tbrowder the issue of multiple dot separators would have to be handled as a named arg
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tbrowder i'm not sure but i'll look... 17:32
yes, Path::Util, I'll revisit and see how that works for the doc change before i make any more hasty comments 17:36
lizmat :-) 17:37
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[Tux] Rakudo v2022.07-13-g10feda116 (v6.d) on MoarVM 2022.07-2-g5e3ea9ce8
csv-parser3.565 - 3.737
csv-test-xs-200.411 - 0.412
test6.260 - 6.360
test-t1.335 - 1.413
test-t --race0.775 - 0.810
test-t-2019.187 - 20.735
test-t-20 --race6.918 - 6.938
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tbrowder Path::Util uses a regex get the basename without extension so I don't think it helps on the doc example. likewise, getting the basename without extension by setting the current extension as [Coke] suggested seems like as much of a hack as any other. 19:29
*setting the current extension to ""... 19:30
in sum, i think we're missing something in core of IO::Path 19:31
in perl and C++ i used to call them stem and suffix 19:33
(i'm sure i got that terminology from somewhere other than myself, probably perl newsgroup or perl monks or brlcad.org) 19:35
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lizmat tbrowder: on /foo/bar.txt, stem would be "bar" and suffix would be "txt" ? 19:58
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sena_kun lizmat, likely so 20:06
this case appears to me like a more rare one compared to all the others, so de-huffmanization at work maybe
or the opposite, huffmanized syntax is at it again 20:08
JRaspass FWIW Raku Land does the .extension("").basename dance in a good half a dozen places too, I would very much welcome a better method
tellable6 2021-01-11T02:35:00Z #raku <melezhik> .tell JRaspass I wonder how long does it take for raku.land to index a new version of a module, Sparky new version 0.30.0 is already seen on modules.raku.org ...
2021-07-08T12:56:00Z #raku-dev <tbrowder> .tell JRaspass ^^^
hey JRaspass, you have a message: gist.github.com/d752612ff86b82cd03...40f1be38e4
tbrowder lizmat: yes, for methods on basename 20:11
sena_kun an util sub to factor out .extension("").basename? 20:13
tbrowder i now have my "real" doc example looking pretty good for my take on existing methods, and it includes a pretty "hack" for the "stem". i just need to tidy the "# OUTPUT" stuff.
sena_kun: yes, something like that 20:14
sena_kun tbrowder++ 20:15
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tbrowder maybe i'm the only one in the world to often the "stem" ofn 20:16
of basenames, but i
i use them for renames of children. also handy when you have dirnames with dots 20:18
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sena_kun "stem" gives off an image of "the base of the word in a linguistic sense", not the "name without extension" to me 20:18
tbrowder most of the $coding and $fun coding in my life has been text filtering and transformation 20:19
sena_kun: that's probable where the coding use comes from. dr knuth i think may have used those words. 20:21
or larry back in the day
TeX or LaTeX 20:22
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tbrowder ah, Make? see full Make manual 20:26
going to real computer now for doc PR update... 20:27
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Kaipei m: say qx/raku --version/; sub (\ is readonly) { }(1) 20:45
camelia ===SORRY!=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Invalid typename 'is' in parameter declaration.
at <tmp>:1
------> say qx/raku --version/; sub (\ isā readonly) { }(1)
Kaipei m: say qx/raku --version/
camelia
Kaipei welp
oh wait i'm already on master 20:46
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tbrowder ok, ready for re-review 20:49
Geth rakudo: vrurg++ created pull request #5030:
Make World's `is_type` method more reliable		 20:51
roast: vrurg++ created pull request #816:
Add more tests for sigilless declarations		 20:53
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Geth rakudo/lizmat-v-check: 7ddb90ce98 | (Vadim Belman)++ | src/Perl6/Grammar.nqp
Don't blindly make a Version object for vN

First look up whether there's a lexical symbol for it, and use that if we found it.
Fixes #3919		 21:32
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lizmat vrurg++ 22:01
Geth rakudo: 13f7416c1c | (Vadim Belman)++ | src/Perl6/World.nqp
Make World's `is_type` method more reliable

Sometimes it was treating a lexical sigilless as a type causing obscure compiler errors.
Fixes #5027		 22:16
rakudo: 2c1e1bfd33 | (Vadim Belman)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | src/Perl6/World.nqp
Merge pull request #5030 from vrurg/rakudo-5027

Make World's `is_type` method more reliable
roast: 75f1bf6d77 | (Vadim Belman)++ | S04-declarations/my-6c.t
Add more tests for sigilless declarations

Related to rakudo/rakudo#3919 and rakudo/rakudo#5027
roast: 147874f3b4 | (Vadim Belman)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | S04-declarations/my-6c.t
Merge pull request #816 from vrurg/sigilless-declarations

Add more tests for sigilless declarations
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