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🦋 Welcome to the IRC channel of the core developers of the Raku Programming Language (raku.org #rakulang). This channel is logged for the purpose of history keeping about its development | evalbot usage: 'm: say 3;' or /msg camelia m: ... | Logs available at irclogs.raku.org/raku-dev/live.html | For MoarVM see #moarvm Set by lizmat on 8 June 2022. |
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| AlexDaniel | why are they rejoining… | 00:13 | |
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| AlexDaniel | this wasn't the case before, right? | 00:13 | |
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| AlexDaniel | ummm | 00:21 | |
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| AlexDaniel | were they doing that for the last few days or is it just now? | 00:21 | |
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| AlexDaniel | hmmm I see it in colabti, I think only buildable was doing that | 00:22 | |
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| AlexDaniel | based on what I see the services keep running, but it seems as if IRC::Client itself reconnects for some reason | 00:27 | |
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| AlexDaniel | o_o | 00:30 | |
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| AlexDaniel | oh god I don't know how to stop it from doing that, I'm not getting rejoins in the debug mode | 01:32 | |
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| Geth | whateverable/main: 3044aefc9f | (Aleks-Daniel Jakimenko-Aleksejev)++ | compose.yaml Slap debug: on bots that keep rejoining This is just to debug the problem… hopefully this will give me some clues. |
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| AlexDaniel | :| this is really bad | 01:57 | |
| or are they chill now | |||
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| AlexDaniel | lizmat: any help will be appreciated github.com/lizmat/IRC-Client/issues/69 | 02:27 | |
| tellable6 | AlexDaniel, I'll pass your message to lizmat | ||
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| nine_ | lizmat: subclass feels even worse :) | 07:57 | |
| tellable6 | nine_, I'll pass your message to lizmat | ||
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| Geth | whateverable/main: 405e77009d | (Aleks-Daniel Jakimenko-Aleksejev)++ | compose.yaml Slap debug: on bots that keep rejoining This is just to debug the problem… hopefully this will give me some clues. |
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| ab5tract_ | Is there a reason we RakuAST::Node doesn’t implement a build-exception method that takes a resolver and the normal arguments for build-expression but then mixes in line and file information to the (known-to-be `X::Comp`) exceptions? | 09:18 | |
| s/build-expression/build-exception/ | |||
| lizmat | that was supposed to be part of the Origins role ? | ||
| tellable6 | 2023-11-06T02:27:15Z #raku-dev <AlexDaniel> lizmat: any help will be appreciated github.com/lizmat/IRC-Client/issues/69 | ||
| 2023-11-06T07:57:12Z #raku-dev <nine_> lizmat: subclass feels even worse :) | |||
| ab5tract_ | so then it’s only NYI, not blocked or something? | 09:20 | |
| lizmat | I'm not sure actually | 09:21 | |
| Not sure what jnthn had planned for it | |||
| ab5tract_ | ok | 09:26 | |
| lizmat | FWIW, getting proper line number reporting might fix a lot of test files, is my impression | 09:27 | |
| Geth | rakudo/main: dc85a994b8 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | 5 files RakuAST: implement with () using a subclass This basically reverts 50b8e191a3e2574ad0c and implements the same semantics using a subclass. This is much less invasive than the approach with a dedicated attribute, and causes only overhead in the case of deparsing. |
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| ab5tract_ | lizmat: intriguing | 09:45 | |
| Regarding styling entering the AST domain, for the sake of sanity and limited resources I think the cheapest approach to making deparse DWIM for the user should be taken. That looks like sub-classes to me. | 09:57 | ||
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| AlexDaniel | OK, fixed the issue with buildable rejoining. I think it's related to MoarVM switch from master to main | 10:25 | |
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| AlexDaniel | other bots still seem to need a restart sometimes if they hit this: github.com/lizmat/IRC-Client/issues/69 | 10:26 | |
| other bots still seem to need a restart sometimes if they hit this: github.com/lizmat/IRC-Client/issues/69 | 10:27 | ||
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| AlexDaniel | oops, sorry for double message | 10:27 | |
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| lizmat | AlexDaniel: are those bots setting a higher ping time somehow ? | 10:30 | |
| AlexDaniel | lizmat: I don't think so? | 10:31 | |
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| AlexDaniel | lizmat: most of the time they operate just fine. But sometimes they get into this cycle of waiting for a short ping and then reconnecting because they're not getting it, and it repeats… | 10:31 | |
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| AlexDaniel | lizmat: and, I also noticed, that for example they do this sometimes ↑ | 10:32 | |
| lizmat: notice how tellable connected, then closed the connection because of pings, then reconnected again. Usually 1 reconnect is enough. | |||
| lizmat | hmmm looks like the scheduling of a next ping is not disabling the previous checkl | ||
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| lizmat | Scheduling next PING test for 2023-11-06T02:15:59Z | 10:33 | |
| NO PING received after 2023-11-06T02:13:41Z | |||
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| AlexDaniel | oh. Yeah! | 10:33 | |
| lizmat | could there be multiple IRC::Client objects in play ? | 10:34 | |
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| AlexDaniel | that's unlikely | 10:34 | |
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| lizmat | ok, I think I have a better idea of what could be going wrong now... working on weekly now, will look after that | 10:35 | |
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| nine_ | lizmat: when one is creating a synthetic AST, how does one know whether to use a Call::Name or Call::Name::WithoutParentheses? | 11:20 | |
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| lizmat | when you're creating synthetic ASTs, you probably not interested in deparsing anyway, so Call::Name | 11:21 | |
| nine_ | But how does one know that? | ||
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| lizmat | from documentation? | 11:23 | |
| nine_ | What would the docs say here? | 11:24 | |
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| lizmat | to use Call::Name to call a subroutine by name, and mention the subclass as an alternative if one wants to influence deparsing | 11:25 | |
| which you probably won't want to do, as synthetically built ASTs could well not deparse validly anyway | 11:26 | ||
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| lizmat | and maybe we could declare Call::Name::WithoutParentheses an implementation detail | 11:38 | |
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| AlexDaniel | lizmat: thank you ♥ | 11:39 | |
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| lizmat | notable6: weekly | 12:52 | |
| notable6 | lizmat, 2 notes: gist.github.com/918953473ac6f76017...75e8d1712e | ||
| lizmat | notable6: weekly reset | 12:53 | |
| notable6 | lizmat, Moved existing notes to “weekly_2023-11-06T12:53:21Z” | ||
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| lizmat | And yet another Rakudo Weekly News hits the Net: rakudoweekly.blog/2023/11/06/2023-45-confvids/ | 13:05 | |
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| Geth | WebService-GitHub/main: a7039d0bd8 | (Patrick Böker)++ | 2 files Add a helper class for OAuth authentication |
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| WebService-GitHub/main: bf0cb48c60 | (Patrick Böker)++ | .gitignore Ignore vim .swp files |
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| WebService-GitHub/main: ea8262bcf5 | (Patrick Böker)++ | 7 files Switch HTTP::UserAgent -> HTTP::Tiny This gets rid of at least one bug traced back to HTTP::UserAgent. Also HTTP::Tiny is currently better maintained and a better fit as this library doesn't need the function richness of HTTP::UA. |
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| nemokosch | so many messages | 20:44 | |
| Patrick Böker wise as usual | |||
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| patrickb | Just wondering: Why do those show up here? Do all raku-community-modules commits show up? | 22:01 | |
| Feels misplaced for #raku-dev in my eyes. | 22:02 | ||
| Anyways, off to bed for me. o/ | |||
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| lizmat | if community modules should be announced, where should they be? | 23:37 | |
| maybe a separate channel? or not being announced at all? | |||
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