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patrickb That script wrapper fix up PR is showing a CI test failure where `raku -V` is erring out. I can't repro it locally. Has anyone seen this before? 07:29
lizmat works fine here 09:05
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lizmat ok, enough noise here for now 10:17
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[Coke] OK, putting a slide together for a lightning talk on "what's in 6.e". 13:34
... dammit, I just lost my WIP 13:39
patrickb: can you give me a one liner on why 'script wrapper" is good in relation to 6.e? 13:59
any thoughts on mentioning an EU TRF? 14:00
patrickb [Coke]: The new script wrappers fix argument processing on Windows. Without it, all use of CLI applications is limited. A prominent case: with zef it's impossible to install specific versions of modules, as it's impossible to pass < and > chars. (i.e. :version<1.0.0>) 14:05
[Coke] p6c is the "just give us a github URL" eco list, yes? 14:06
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patrickb correct 14:16
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[Coke] is here with 0rir who just pinged me on github.com/0rir/touch/issues/2 14:37
Touch – MissingDependency – Dependency “v6” was not resolved (ok, but Touch doesn't depend on v6?) 14:39
ah, HEAD != release. 14:41
so I don't think I can use blin to test this easily. Can probably just use bisectable by hand, though, I guess. 14:43
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[Coke] .seen finanalyst 15:22
tellable6 [Coke], I saw finanalyst 2025-05-27T18:20:57Z in #raku-dev: <finanalyst> would `zef` need to change? or would simply adding in doc-provides in the Meta6 be suffcient?
[Coke] japhb: what's our current unicode version, which one are you working on now, and we'll get 17 right after it drops in 2025, yes? 15:39
latest p5 has U16 support
for 6.e stuff: features: "it's a spec", AST, L10N, rakudoc v2, U17, language cleanup (maybe remove some stuff) 15:41
non-features: web sites, docs (use rakudoc v2), docs (maybe do translations), blin (essentials), script wrappers 15:42
AST is the big one. 15:43
I only have 5 minutes, so it's just high level everything
also we need to make cartouches work; karl isn't sure if that works in p5 15:45
:) 15:46
lizmat, patrickb, timo, nine, etc.: any notes on the "6.e" list? 15:50
japhb: karl from p5 also mentioned new line breaking algorithms that he had to implement based on specs. 16:02
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jdv patrickb: first how did this happen and what guarantees are there that its fixed? 17:40
the release process isnt cheap and downstreams still have to do their bit agai. 17:41
also, what is the impact of the issue? it needs to be pretty serious to trigger a point release. there will be another release in about a month... 17:43
patrickb jdv: don't make a release yet. There is still an open question I need to clarify. I'll get to this later in the evening (currently on the road) 17:44
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[Coke] github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/cc...3d21011ffb - this should have been done behind a language version change. 18:12
m: ls 18:22
camelia ===SORRY!=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Undeclared routine:
ls used at line 1. Did you mean 'lc'?
[Coke] m: run('ls')
camelia Inline-Perl5
META6.json
Perlito
bin
bla
dalek-queue
evalbot
file.txt
lib
log
mbox
nqp-js
p1
p2
precomp
rakudo-j-1
rakudo-j-2
rakudo-j-inst
rakudo-j-inst-1
rakudo-j-inst-2
rakudo-m-1
rakudo-m-2
rakudo-m-inst…
[Coke] hurm. what files exist where bisectable is run, I wonder. 18:23
bisectable6: run('ls')
timo we do have directory listing builtins you know :P 18:24
[Coke] don't bash shame me!
bisectable6: run('ls')
bisectable6 [Coke], Will bisect the whole range automagically because no endpoints were provided, hang tight
[Coke], ¦6c (92 commits): «3rdparty␤Akefile␤CONTRIBUTING.md␤Dockerfile␤LICENSE␤META6.json␤README.md␤compose.yaml␤config-default.json␤data␤lib␤maintenance␤sandbox␤services␤xbin␤xt␤» 18:25
[Coke], Nothing to bisect!
[Coke] (language version change) - hurm, maybe not. It's hidden inside the Instant class. 18:30
lizmat yeah, I thought it was carefully hidden ? 18:36
[Coke] There's a C interface here, so I'm guessing he needs to be careful with the result, but I can't see right now how he's creating it. 18:46
... and I should be writing my talk. :)
but this is probably fixable with a patch to Touch.
to warn you: it doesn't work on Mac, in case you got curious.
Also: would love a simple sample showing how to get AST out of some code.
lizmat m: say Q|say "Foo"|.AST 18:51
camelia RakuAST::StatementList.new(
RakuAST::Statement::Expression.new(
expression => RakuAST::Call::Name::WithoutParentheses.new(
name => RakuAST::Name.from-identifier("say"),
args => RakuAST::ArgList.new(
RakuAST::QuotedS…
[Coke] why doesn't that need an env var or a use? 18:54
lizmat because :-) 18:55
it doesn't interfere with anything
nine Just keep in mind that this is not an interface that is likely to stay forever 18:56
[Coke] Yup, that's part of my 5m. 18:57
TBD: Review
lizmat: I just installed L10N::JA but don't have "ryuuu" as an executable.
lizmat and ryuu ? 18:58
(only 2 u's 19:05
)
[Coke] ah, there it is 19:09
in that case raku.land/zef:l10n/L10N::JA has a typo in the README 19:10
also the second example doesn't work? 19:12
Undeclared routine: 言う used at line 2
similar issue with L10N::NL's second example 19:14
Undeclared routine: zeg used at line 2
FYI. Will simplify the example shown to the working ::NL one. :)
also: dutku -e 'zeg "Hallo Wereld"' emits an extra newline before saying Hallo 19:15
sorry for all the bug reports here.
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patrickb jdv: The fallout is pretty serious. When using a relocatable rakudo build, it's not possible to install any module that contains any bin/ files. 20:00
This includes zef. This also means there won't be any compiled release. 20:01
The fix is a pretty small change. Testing the fix is as simple as trying to install zef in a relocatable rakudo build. 20:02
re How did it happen? The offending PR changes how our script executables are generated when installing a module. I've tested this on Windows, MacOS and Linux, but did not do so in different build variations. I.e. I always did non-relocatable builds. 20:06
The issue only shows in relocatable builds. That's why it only surfaced after the source release when trying to do the binary release. 20:07
Why is the PR that fixes this not merged? - There is a newly breaking test in the CI. I'm currently looking into that. But so far it seems it's the CI setup that has somehow changed. 20:10
japhb returns from 2.5 days AFK ... 20:34
[Coke]: I realize this is late for your lightning talk, but: 20:35
We currently have Unicode v15.0 (This is available as `Unicode.version` directly in Raku) 20:36
We need to upgrade across 15.1, 16.0, and (in September at the latest) 17.0 20:37
16.0 had some significant changes, including changing file formats, additional data files, and the new indic line breaking algorithm (probably what "karl from p5" was talking about). 20:38
17.0 rearranges the directory tree similar to how 13.0 did (in a way that makes more sense, but also means that the tools need to adapt to it yet again). 20:39
I have more to do before I can get the current data files to parse correctly and emit the correct C files; I am also working on maintainer documentation of how to do all this next year. 20:40
patrickb I have the MacOS CI fallout tracked down: github.com/rakudo/rakudo/issues/5921 20:41
japhb++ Writing documentation for this is very kind to the future people. 20:42
japhb There is more documentation needed for the C data structures that are produced (and presumably the MoarVM, nqp, and/or Rakudo algorithms that operate on them), but I haven't even made it to the point I can do a good job of that yet. 20:43
Thanks patrickb. Yeah, it's clear that this whole area needs to be improved from a maintainability point of view, where the "maintainability" in question doesn't just consist of "can fix a bug in interpretation of *existing* Unicode rules", since the Unicode Consortium -- despite having lots of stability rules -- appears to be excellent and punishing implementors. 20:45
*excellent at
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Fix documentation of the ryuu executable, Will Coleda++
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rakudo: patrickbkr++ created pull request #5922:
Fix `raku -V` on strange non-standard MacOS		 21:50
rakudo/main: 2223dc4c70 | (Patrick Böker)++ | src/core.c/CompUnit/Repository/Installation.rakumod
Fix wrapper installation in relocatable installations

  `<abs-slash>` is not a valid command for program arg in our wrapper
generator. Doesn't make much sense either. The program path needs to be understood by the OS, so it requires platform separators.		 21:53
rakudo/main: 2d60b20179 | (Patrick Böker)++ | src/core.c/Main.rakumod
Fix program name in USAGE

With the new script wrappers the script is not executable anymore. With the new wrappers we always generate two files, a wrapper program that is executable and a .raku script that is not executable. Thus the path shortening logic isn't triggered anymore. Fix by additionally detecting such wrapper + script combinations and shortening them respectively as ... (6 more lines)
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Merge pull request #5920 from patrickbkr/script-wrapper-fixes

Script wrapper fixes
patrickb jdv: The fix for the script installation issue in relocatable builds is now merged. 21:55
lizmat [Coke]: cannot reproduce the extra line 22:08
*can* reproduce the slangification issue
:-(
will look at that tomorrow, thanks for the nudge! 22:11
[Coke] japhb: thanks for the info, appreciate it! 22:14
lizmat: I'll file a ticket on the whitespace issue with sw_vers, etc.
lizmat: the extra whitespace is *in the sample code in the readme* 22:17
if I cut and paste it from the readme? whitespace. type it by hand? nope 22:18
... and only if I do it weird, I guess. 22:19
I did open github.com/Raku-L10N/NL/issues/1, though. :)
so ignore the whitespace thing, was just freaking out before the talk.
What units are Instant:1751239187.226795467 23:20
is that a fractional number of epoch seconds?

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