| AlexDaniel | oh, there's also Sequence and HyperSeq/RaceSeq | 00:00 | |
| at least that's what the docssay | 00:01 | ||
| docs say* | |||
| jnthn | Sure | ||
| AlexDaniel | .oO( Tonight on Raku FM: AlexDaniel learns the basics of Raku… ) |
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| jnthn | :) | ||
| To be fair, for the range of functionality being made available, I don't think we're doing any worse than other languages whose standard library (or libraries that may as well be) provide the same. | 00:06 | ||
| Xliff | .oO( This is a silly radio show. I thought those were the same basics as Perl6! ) |
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| Please pardon the impending snark... I am dealing with Bluehost support for $dayjob and they are giving me the runaround. | |||
| AlexDaniel | jnthn: hypothetically, what if Seq and List were the same thing? | 00:08 | |
| jnthn | I think it maybe just surprises folks a bit more in Raku to discover them all, because one just does `@foo.race.map(*.blah)` and doesn't even thing that much about the types involved. | ||
| AlexDaniel: Memory leaks all over :) | |||
| AlexDaniel | jnthn: I mean, what if List was Seq? :) | ||
| jnthn | I know because *we used to have it that way*! | ||
| tbrowder | jnthn: lizmat has asked for yr review of my PR 3310 when you get a chance. it implements log2 routine. | 00:09 | |
| tellable6 | 2019-11-29T08:26:21Z #raku <jmerelo> tbrowder great job! | ||
| jnthn | If List was Seq...I dunno how one'd achieve that, given Seq uses List as part of its cache implementation | ||
| Xliff | Memory leaks? How about brain leaks?! | ||
| Mine are coming out my ear... | 00:10 | ||
| jnthn | It may be possible, but I'm not sure how practical it is | ||
| AlexDaniel | okay | 00:12 | |
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| Geth | rakudo: vrurg++ created pull request #3332: Change the way compiler version is chosen for COREs |
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| vrurg | Appveyor is seemingly broken, can't fetch strawberry perl. | 02:27 | |
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| lizmat | Files=1290, Tests=109646, 206 wallclock secs (28.00 usr 7.78 sys + 2915.84 cusr 261.47 csys = 3213.09 CPU) | 10:12 | |
| re Dict / Tuple discussion last night: We need value types for Associative and Positional roles. We need these so that they can be used in QuantHashes and object hashes. I do not care what they are called. | 10:23 | ||
| ValueMap / ValueList would be fine for me as well | 10:27 | ||
| Geth | ¦ problem-solving: lizmat assigned to jnthn Issue How to provide coercers for new types in higher language versions github.com/perl6/problem-solving/issues/137 | 10:47 | |
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| lizmat provided 3 possible solutions, hope there'll be more soon | 11:02 | ||
| Geth | rakudo/add-Dict: 8a857c06ce | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | src/core.e/Dict.pm6 Fix STORE signature |
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| Geth | rakudo/add-Dict: a068fb4853 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | 2 files Add a 6.e core epilogue that recomposes selected classes To make sure that the .Dict coercer becomes visible to the classes it will most likely be called upon. |
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| rakudo/add-Dict: d9123603fd | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | src/core.e/core_epilogue.pm6 Re-compose some more classes, also Positionals |
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| sena_kun | ok, this is ridiculous, `curl -v -s www.perlfoundation.org/contributor...ment.html` says `connect to 64:ff9b::c722:e44a port 80 failed: Network is unreachable` and disconnects. | 12:29 | |
| can anyone help me with obtaining the file? | |||
| nine | sena_kun: try curl -4 | 12:33 | |
| sena_kun tries out | 12:34 | ||
| gist.github.com/Altai-man/be7037af...e58c342c69 | 12:38 | ||
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| nine | sena_kun: niner.name/files/contributor-licens...ement.html | 12:43 | |
| sena_kun | nine, thanks! | ||
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| lizmat | .tell [Coke] looks like www.perlfoundation.org/contributor...ement.html is dead | 14:41 | |
| tellable6 | lizmat, I'll pass your message to [Coke] | ||
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| Geth | rakudo/add-Dict: b9d2327b2a | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | src/core.e/core_epilogue.pm6 Revert "Re-compose some more classes, also Positionals" This reverts commit d9123603fd58a11947d2913e8bb0c956d6c62705. |
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| rakudo/add-Dict: 788143aab8 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | 2 files Revert "Add a 6.e core epilogue that recomposes selected classes" This reverts commit a068fb4853531e9c8d41126c8a86d9bfaf4feba5. |
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| Geth | rakudo: 1d8d62d46d | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | src/core.c/core_epilogue.pm6 Revert the temporary fix of R#2640 Looks like the problem has since gone away. Please revert back should this be false. |
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| lizmat | .tell SmokeMachine could you please check that Red survived github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/1d8d62d46d ? | ||
| tellable6 | lizmat, I'll pass your message to SmokeMachine | ||
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| Geth | problem-solving/CoC: 594c2e0403 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | solutions/meta/CoC.md Remove double negation: So it becomes: We discriminate on the ability to be a kind, positive member of our community |
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| problem-solving/CoC: 37204bc9eb | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | solutions/meta/CoC.md Elaborate on standards of behavior |
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| problem-solving/CoC: 099419cacd | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | solutions/meta/CoC.md Removed the "aside about trolls" paragraph This indeed appears to be written in an era where trolls really were a major issue for Raku. After the change of name to Raku, this appears to be a lot less the case. So no reason to actually emphasize something that is quickly becoming a historical artefact. |
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| Xliff | \o | 17:49 | |
| What's the difference between ParametricRoleHOW and ParametricRoleGroupHOW? | |||
| Geth | problem-solving/CoC: dff95308b8 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | solutions/meta/CoC.md Remove the quip about high level language It feels very Perlish / TimToady-like. And hard to understand if you do not know the background of Raku and its long gestation process. |
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| problem-solving/CoC: d7d4656206 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | solutions/meta/CoC.md We **only** discriminate, japhb++ |
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| problem-solving/CoC: 434311f73b | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | solutions/meta/CoC.md Mention effect on karma, rather than a possible reason japhb++ again. |
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| vrurg | Xliff: Role group is a group of individual parametric roles. | 18:08 | |
| Geth | rakudo: 4e9487ce2a | (Vadim Belman)++ | 3 files Change the way compiler version is chosen for COREs Compiling a CORE with version lower than default can cause performance degradation because not all current optimizations would be used. Thus, the previous decision of compiling each core with corresponding compiler considered erroneous. ... (11 more lines) |
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| rakudo: b4fb30889f | (Vadim Belman)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | 3 files Merge pull request #3332 from vrurg/rakudo_3326 Change the way compiler version is chosen for COREs |
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| Xliff | vrurg: OK. But it's being applied to a single role. So I guess a group can be 1, yes? | 18:42 | |
| lizmat | Xliff: I think so | 18:43 | |
| it's easier on the compiler logic, because during parsing you don't know how many roles you're going to encounter | 18:44 | ||
| so you always start with a group | |||
| Xliff | COK | 18:45 | |
| s/C// | |||
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| Xliff | OK, now here's the current problem. Previously roles would return ParametricRoleHow both as $*PACKAGE and then when referred to by name. | 20:30 | |
| Now $*PACKAGE is still ParametricRoleHOW, but the role by name is now ParametricRoleGroupHOW. | 20:31 | ||
| This breaks things down the line. | |||
| What's the best way to resolve? Preferably given the ability to pun roles on ParametricRoleGroupHOW when given the ParametricRoleHOW? | |||
| vrurg | Xliff: I don't understand what you're trying to achieve | 20:33 | |
| And a role by name was always a group. | 20:35 | ||
| Xliff | Well, something recent changed with roles because Method::Also isn't working when attaching aliases via role. | 20:46 | |
| Right now, I can't figure out why. | 20:47 | ||
| Right now I am attaching aliases to a class with roles via specialize and specialize-with | 20:48 | ||
| And they are not getting picked up. | |||
| They were, last week. | |||
| Or maybe the week before. Kinda hard to tell. I have lots of projects, now. | |||
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| Geth | problem-solving/CoC: f315ca777f | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | solutions/meta/CoC.md Define a troll as a person lacking of good intentions |
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| lizmat | Xliff: are the projects that are failing now in the ecosystem? iow, should Blin have picked up the breakage ? | 21:08 | |
| vrurg | Blin could've skipped it if the case isn't covered by a test. | 21:16 | |
| Geth | problem-solving/CoC: 21c86e1f35 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | solutions/meta/CoC.md First stab at a "Responsibility" section Definitely *not* happy with the wording yet. Throwing it out there for feedback. |
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| Xliff | lizmat: No. None of this is in the ecosystem, so Blin would not have detected them. | 21:47 | |
| lizmat | :-( | ||
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| vrurg | Xliff: it wouldn't anyway because it passess tests. | 21:57 | |
| Xliff: so, it needs a test for the breakage. | 21:58 | ||
| japhb | lizmat: I've added comments on 2 out of your last 3 commits. | 21:59 | |
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| Xliff | vrurg: OK, the culprit is easy. The aliases in the roles are not getting composed. | 22:24 | |
| And at least from what I can see, this means that AliasableRoleHOW.specialize is not being called at all. | 22:25 | ||
| I know all of the defined role HOWs are being punned with it, so what would cause that to not execute? | 22:26 | ||
| jnthn | Xliff: fwiw, I don't think there's - for probbly close to a decade - been a time when a role name didn't evaluate to a ParametricRoleGroupHOW | 22:31 | |
| Xliff | jnthn: Thanks for that. It means my initial suspicion was incorrect. However this code worked as recently as 2 weeks ago and it hasn't changed. I've already had to fix something in it once due to a weird change. | 22:37 | |
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| Geth | rakudo: f6254be1ae | (Tom Browder)++ | 9 files Implement log2 function |
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| rakudo: c16b5a204f | (Tom Browder)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | 9 files Merge pull request #3310 from tbrowder/log2 Implement log2 function |
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| Xliff | When is .specialize called on a ParametricRoleHOW? | 23:52 | |
| And how does ParametricRoleHOW fit in with ParametricRoleGroupHOW? | 23:53 | ||
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