releasable6 Next release in ≈3 days and ≈7 hours. 3 blockers. Please log your changes in the ChangeLog: github.com/rakudo/rakudo/wiki/ChangeLog-Draft 11:00
Geth rakudo/rakuast: 75b650c089 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | src/core.e/Formatter.pm6
NQPify the runtime components

  - also rename sprintf to zprintf for now, for easier comparisons		 11:03
Guest97478 þrintf 11:15
timotimo ſprintf 11:15
[Tux] ⎙f 11:24
timotimo m: say "\c[snake]printf" 11:27
camelia 🐍printf
Xliff m: sub a { say '1'; }; role B { }; &a does B; 11:52
camelia ( no output )
Xliff m: sub a { say '1'; }; role B { }; &a does B; &a.WHAT.say
camelia (Sub+{B})
Xliff m: sub a (1, 2, 3, 4) { say '1'; }; role B { }; &a does B; &a.WHAT.say; &a.arity.say 11:55
camelia (Sub+{B})
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[Tux] Rakudo version 2020.08.2-72-gf352b6d33 - MoarVM version 2020.08-91-g590bac47e
csv-ip5xs1.005 - 1.014
csv-ip5xs-2010.107 - 10.413
csv-parser26.257 - 30.128
csv-test-xs-200.388 - 0.439
test7.906 - 8.280
test-t1.845 - 1.944
test-t --race0.824 - 0.847
test-t-2032.651 - 33.070
test-t-20 --race9.438 - 11.350
 12:47
Geth rakudo/rakuast: d9f94bd4bd | (Jonathan Worthington)++ | 9 files
Foundations for traits in RakuAST

Proved to at least somewhat work by implementing a number of the simple traits that apply to a typename, and then trait application on package declarators.		 17:11
Xliff What's the best way to try and introspect the subs at the bottom of a compunit like this: github.com/Xliff/p6-GIO/blob/maste...Stream.pm6 17:25
If I have a package like this one, I'm fine: github.com/Xliff/p6-GIO/blob/maste...Action.pm6
This works: my $r = "GIO::Raw::Action"; require ::($r); $r = ::("{ $r }::EXPORT::DEFAULT"); 17:26
Xliff Ah, damn. In the prior case, they are loaded directly into MY:: 17:35
Geth rakudo: patrickbkr++ created pull request #3918:
Build System: Fix RUN_RAKUDO to use the dummy Rakudo home		 18:46
patrickb o/
patrickb vrurg: If you find the time, I'd value a look at the above PR. I'm not sure whether there is a more fool proof way of quoting things. 18:47
lizmat tyil: Geth is AWOL again 21:03
tyil :( 21:04
lizmat just added 0c52628b019355ccf3a95de7d76b17aba01053f2
lizmat tyil++ 21:05
timotimo tyil: earlier today i cycled the discord bridge bot 21:08
tyil ah
lizmat Geth quit much later: [21:09:00] Geth (~zofbot-ge@minion6.tyil.net) left IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
tyil that explains the short liveness of the discord bridge
I just saw it had a way shorter uptime than other services 21:09
timotimo right
tyil lizmat: I'm not quite sure why get sometimes times out, it does the same when I run it locally
s/get/geth/
timotimo is there like a log you can query where it would indicate that my user sent that command?
tyil so it's not something specific to my server or anything
lizmat :-(
tyil timotimo: I could set that up, but right now I'm working on simple trust :p 21:10
timotimo ah, i'm thinking less of trust and more of ... i dunno, knowing what the hell is going on :D
tyil I could capture logs to an ElasticSearch cluster, that seems to be The Best Thing for kubernetes
but that would require me to set up such a cluster
which is a big reason as to why I don't have it 21:11
guess I could run it on my local desktop when I get some additional storage
timotimo it's not a priority for me, don't worry 21:15
tyil :> 21:16
it's something I should learn to set up and configure anyway
and I've got plenty of memory to spare now
timotimo memory to spare? couldn't be me! :) 21:17
tyil I got a new desktop about a week ago, so now I'm sporting 64gb memory 21:18
timotimo nice
tyil I can have 3 chromium tabs open now! 21:19
vrurg ambr@4Mudambra 21:30
timotimo vrurg: nice password you have there ... better change it quickly, though :S 21:32
vrurg oops, wrong window.
timotimo: aha.... :(
donaldh Building rakudo-star 2020.05 from tarball is a bit ugly 22:11
lots of "fatal: not in a git directory"
macOS and older centos both complain that C.UTF-8 is not a known locale. 22:12
it requires bash 4.x or newer to get declare -A so that breaks on macOS which only has bash 3.x by default. 22:13
In the homebrew formula I can depend on a newer bash to resolve that problem, but anyone building from source manually will come unstuck. 22:14
I would switch to using default C locale, but I don't know the reasoning for choosing C.UTF-8 so worried I might break things elsewhere. 22:15
timotimo donaldh: just to make sure, you didn't get the tarball from github, right? 22:20
oh, star, we don't have the issue there i guess
donaldh timotimo: the star dist tarball. 22:23
Xliff How can I look at the symbol table of a loaded module that does not have the "unit package" declarator in it? 22:32
Xliff I'm trying this -- github.com/Xliff/p6-GIO/blob/filei...Stream.pm6 22:39
I cannot understand why that doesn't return a value when I invoke using: use GIO::FileInputStream; say %GIO::FileInputStream::RAW-DEFS.keys 22:40
timotimo you need ::.keys perhaps? 22:42
Xliff Well, the %RAW-DEFS.gist.say will return a value. It's when I try and access that value outside of the compunit that's the problem. It's blank! 22:43
So the .gist.say shows that it gets populated, so why can't I get data when I access GIO::FileInputStream::RAW-DEFS?
timotimo is RAW-DEFS in the GIO::FileInputStream::.keys? 22:45
Xliff Why would that matter? 22:51
Nothing is in GIO::FileInputStream::.keys 22:52
timotimo i'm just trying to debug
Xliff Sorry. Answered.
timotimo: To note though, GIO::FileInputStream isn't a package, but a class def. 22:53
timotimo ah
ok i don't think there's a reason to believe the our %RAW-DEFS would show up in there then? 22:54
Xliff OK.
timotimo i mean, classes do get packages, right?
this is an area i haven't done much with at all tbh
Xliff Well it's odd. I really don't need the %RAW-DEFS if I could get access to its symbol table when using require...
timotimo ah, require
Xliff I wasn't able to, hence the %RAW-DEFS hack. 22:55
timotimo you didn't say that?
Xliff Sorry. Mentioned this earlier. No one bit.
timotimo ok
Xliff For the record, this compunit works fine: github.com/Xliff/p6-GIO/blob/maste...ddress.pm6 22:56
And I suspect that's because it's a package def.
timotimo there's no "our" in there, so dunno
Xliff It's when I have exported subs outside of a package def that I have problems accessing symbols. 22:57
timotimo how do you require, with a constant name or a dynamic name?
Xliff So if there's a better way to write what I have in GIO::FileInputStream, then I'd like to know it.
timotimo: dynamic
Here's the script, if you are curious: github.com/Xliff/p6-GtkPlus/blob/m...params.pl6 22:58
timotimo oh, require with module name or with filename? 22:59
Xliff Module name
timotimo OK, so ::($foo) right?
Xliff Yep
timotimo: Latest changes pushed. Please reload above link. 23:01
timotimo i don't actually remember how dynamic module loading works :D
Xliff Oh. LOL
Well, if you can't help any further, then thanks for trying.
timotimo where does stuff land when you 'require ::($blah)' 23:02
Xliff But basically, what I am trying to do is get all exported subs included in module "{$n}::{$cu}"
timotimo: Usually where you'd expect. 23:03
timotimo i mean, i can get stuff from %REQUIRE_SYMBOLS
but that doesn't look official :P
Xliff %REQUIRE_SYMBOLS?
How does that work? 23:04
timotimo well, i see it in MY::.keys, lol
sorry, it's in ::.keys
greppable6: "require ::" 23:05
greppable6 timotimo, Found nothing!
timotimo greppable6: require ::
greppable6 timotimo, 211 lines, 72 modules: gist.github.com/94d44a9fa6340d394e...0d64df0ec6
timotimo ah 23:06
could you try dd ::("%RAW-DEFS") after requiring ::(my $o = ...)? 23:07
after i require ::("Folder::$modname") i can access ::("Florble") which is a class i got in Folder/ModA.pm6
timotimo and the "our %whoop" i have i get with ::("%whoop") 23:09
Xliff ?!? 23:11
OK. That looks to have worked.
However why is that? I didn't say "is export" 23:12
timotimo shrug :P 23:13
Xliff Heh. Fair 'nuff.
timotimo++
Xliff github.com/Xliff/p6-GtkPlus/commit...f0d08306f5 23:20

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