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arkiuat [Coke] and yes, that's an accurate description of my most recent mistake, but I think I've got things set up properly now 13:57
I just yesterday discovered github.com/Raku/doc/milestones 14:05
I guess this hasn't been updated recently, but it's useful to have a distinction drawn between milestone issues and backlog issues
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arkiuat the very first code example in the section docs.raku.org/type/Junction#Failur...exceptions actually fails for me when I run it, although the documentation there says that it won't fail 18:17
lizmat yeah, that example is bogus 18:55
completely bogus
if assumes that you can iterate over the eigenstates of a Junction: well, you can't 18:56
"That is what we do in the loop that runs over the elements of the junction, adding them to a list only if they are defined." is bogus 18:58
arkiuat [Coke] ^^
fwiw, that's why I made raku.land/zef:lizmat/eigenstates 18:59
arkiuat lizmat, thanks! I guess we should rewrite that part of the doc then 19:16
lizmat I was thinking about an alternative, but sadly it's pretty hard 19:21
all I could come up with is:
m: my $j = +any "not a number", "42", "2.1"; say $j ~~ Failure
camelia True
arkiuat well, that's better than having confidently stated falsehoods in the docs 19:23
especially when we're talking about Junctions, which are already confusing enough to most people without this kind of shenanigans 19:27
yeah, I see github.com/Raku/doc/issues/3030 was opened for this exact section of the doc (but with an earlier version of this example) in 2019, and JJ wrote this new version (which apparently worked back then?) in response. But now JJ's version is failing. Huh. 19:33
lizmat I think Junctions iterated before Xmas (as in before 6.c was released in 2015)... so not sure what was going on here 19:34
arkiuat I left a comment on issue #3030 suggesting either reopening it or making a new issue. JJ seemed to think this all had something to do with AUTOTHREAD, as he opened an issue to document it better (mentioning #3030), and the one is stil open 19:40
s/the/that/
lizmat Ah... ok hmmm 19:50
m: my $j = +any "not a number", "42", "2.1"; sub check($_} { say "Failure" when Failure }; check $j 19:51
camelia ===SORRY!=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Malformed parameter
at <tmp>:1
------> not a number", "42", "2.1"; sub check($_<HERE>} { say "Failure" when Failure }; check
expecting any of:
constraint
lizmat meh
yeah, that's not going to work, as the Failure will fire if passed as an argument 19:52
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[Coke] milestones date from when I was much more ambituous about getting things done 20:08
but yes, if you focus on things with a milestone, that's probably better than things in the backlog bucket. 20:09
... but on the gripping hand, a ticket closed is a ticket I don't need to worry about
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timo m: my $j = +any "not a number", "42", "2.1"; sub check(Any $_) { say "Failure" when Failure }; check $j 21:29
camelia Failure
timo the failure does not fire when passing it
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arkiuat timo, do you think your snippet would make a good replacement for that code sample in the docs? 22:26
[Coke], gotcha. I was pleased to see that #3881 was in the milestone bucket and not the backlog one
timo hm, no don't think it should go in the docs 22:49
i merely wanted to correct lizmat's last eval
[Coke] I went through the list, made two new milestones (one for end of year, one for 2026-Q1), and moved some stuff around 22:54
(and kept that one in the current bucket!) 22:56
er, the bucket that is current, not the previous old bucket. :)
lizmat m: my $j = +any "not a number", "42", "2.1"; sub check($value) { say "Failure" if $value ~~ Failure }; check $j # looks like $_ is default Mu, using any other variable also works 23:29
camelia Failure

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