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🦋 Welcome to the MAIN() IRC channel of the Raku Programming Language (raku.org). This channel is logged for the purpose of keeping a history about its development | evalbot usage: 'm: say 3;' or /msg camelia m: ... | Log available at irclogs.raku.org/raku/live.html . If you're a beginner, you can also check out the #raku-beginner channel! Set by lizmat on 8 June 2022. |
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| guifa | ugexe: tonyo: is it possible to change your non-public e-mail address on fez? | 04:47 | |
| tonyo | guifa: i could do it for you | 04:59 | |
| guifa | tonyo: ha, I don't need it done, but am finishing up my talk on making modules | 05:00 | |
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| guifa | ended up being more thinking about designing modules wit a little bit on fez at the end (leaving y'all plenty of space to get into technical nitty gritty about it for other talks/conferences) but wanted to be prepped for any questions | 05:00 | |
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| tonyo | at the moment it's just a PM transaction - no api for it yet but can add it to the list | 05:01 | |
| will it be online? i'd give it a listen | |||
| guifa | tonyo will be recorded, but not hybrid | 05:07 | |
| Looking back I've noticed I have a tendency to push people to make good modules | |||
| (obvs subjective a bit, but wanting people to think a bit about how people use modules, at least) | 05:08 | ||
| tonyo | are you advocating pinning module versions in usage? | 05:10 | |
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| andinus | in marketing.raku.org/id/1531801752/img is there a reason `use WWW` is inside of submethod TWEAK? | 11:00 | |
| lizmat | andinus: because use statements are lexical? to prevent poisoning the outer scope with unnecessary exports ? | 11:08 | |
| m: sub ok(|) { say "this ok" }; { use Test; ok "foo" }; ok "bar" | 11:09 | ||
| camelia | ok 1 - this ok |
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| Nemokosch | is 6.c, c for "christmas" a sort of inside joke originally? | 11:10 | |
| in other words, which was first | |||
| the "is it christmas yet" mocking, or the name for the version? | 11:11 | ||
| lizmat | you'd have to ask Larry | ||
| he came up with the versioning, but yeah: afaik, the "c" is for Christmas, I think the mocking was first | 11:12 | ||
| Nemokosch | 😅 | 11:13 | |
| what will be the name of the e version? | 11:17 | ||
| [Coke] | Under discussion, last I checked | 11:18 | |
| github.com/Raku/problem-solving/issues/254 | |||
| lizmat | I think the consensus is that there will be a 6.e (perhaps Eventually :-), but that versioning after that is still undecided | 11:19 | |
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| Xliff | lizmat: I would suggest e = Easter. | 11:57 | |
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| Anton Antonov | `e (elem) <enriched enlarged engaging endeavor>` | 12:08 | |
| Is there a package that makes text console plots? I think I saw Raku code for doing that, but I am not sure it is a package… | |||
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| [Coke] | I would vote against Easter. We already had Christmas. | 12:25 | |
| I have seen Epiphany (but in Spanish), Easter, and Eid suggested. | 12:26 | ||
| Nemokosch | Well you were the one who wrote that under the issue as well, no? | 12:27 | |
| SmokeMachine | I would also vote against Easter for the same reason... | 12:28 | |
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| Nemokosch | I also have mixed feelings about easter. But it could be named just Egg 🤣 | 12:29 | |
| "Easter" would kinda seem like "hah, they don't see past their own shit" | 12:30 | ||
| Xliff | Well, gee. | 12:34 | |
| Voldenet | it would be fun idea to name 6.e "everlasting" and never release another one | ||
| Xliff | Voldenet: Noooo! I haz plans for 6.f! | 12:35 | |
| Voldenet | :> | ||
| Xliff | Fly, fly away! | ||
| Voldenet | "ethereal" then | ||
| Xliff | (would mix well with the butterfly theme...) | ||
| Nemokosch | flutterby! | 12:37 | |
| Xliff | LOL! 🤣 | 12:38 | |
| Voldenet | I see 6.f ideas are better, so maybe call 6.e evicted and release 6.f instead ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | ||
| Nemokosch | ~~like Perl 6~~ | 12:41 | |
| Anton Antonov | Found it -- "Text::Chart". (Initially I was searching into raku.land with "plot".) | 12:48 | |
| Nemokosch | it's nice where raku.land has gotten | 12:50 | |
| Anton Antonov | Hmm... raku.land has to be endowed with certain semantic search capabilities. | 12:59 | |
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| andinus | lizmat: ah i didn't know about use being lexical, thanks! | 14:08 | |
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| guifa | tonyo: of course! | 14:18 | |
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| tonyo | guifa: excellent news | 15:25 | |
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| guifa_ | tonyo / ugexe are there any strictly required fields in the META6.json? | 15:59 | |
| I assume name, auth, version and provides | 16:00 | ||
| tonyo | depends on what side you're on, on the upload side you must have a valid dist | ||
| with no wildcard version | |||
| (cpan and git both allow wildcard anything) | |||
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| guifa_ will say "generally required fields" and "other commonly used fields" for appropriate verbal wiggle room ;-) | 16:02 | ||
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| ugexe | the language itself just requires a bare minimum of 'name' i think (i.e. what items of META6.json *must* be provided for CURs to be able to use them), although practically it also requires that `provides` be correct if you want to install modules | 18:12 | |
| the language itself doesn't understand e.g. `depends`, although various raku tools would require it | 18:14 | ||
| "name, auth, version, provides" is a good bare minimum | 18:17 | ||
| like technically auth and version aren't needed, but it would be easier for everyone if they are used that way | 18:18 | ||
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| p6steve | 2 | 19:19 | |
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| habere-et-disper | Hi All! Is there a rationale for why `head` is available as .head (has a method signature), but is unavailable as standalone `head`? | 20:18 | |
| m: say (1000..*).grep(&is-prime).head(2) | |||
| camelia | (1009 1013) | ||
| habere-et-disper | versus | 20:19 | |
| m: say head(2) (1000..*).grep(&is-prime) | |||
| camelia | ===SORRY!=== Error while compiling <tmp> Two terms in a row at <tmp>:1 ------> say head(2)⏏ (1000..*).grep(&is-prime) expecting any of: infix infix stopper postfix statement end … |
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| Voldenet | I guess that is easy to explain - having them as methods is better code style | 20:29 | |
| it seems that a lot of routines exist because of perl5 familiarity | 20:30 | ||
| like pop, shift, push, unshift | 20:32 | ||
| but if you look at the implementation (github.com/rakudo/rakudo/blob/db07...tors.pm6), those routines just use methods | 20:34 | ||
| p6steve | isnt' there a way to apply a method as a sub? | 20:42 | |
| kind of methodop inverse | |||
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| Nemokosch | doubtful | 21:21 | |
| also, don't underestimate the worth of having head as a sub | |||
| 1000 .. * ==> grep &is-prime => head 2 | 21:22 | ||
| 1000 .. * ==> grep &is-prime ==> head 2 | |||
| this fails on the lack of the sub head | |||
| it wouldn't be bad style, not at all | 21:23 | ||
| lizmat | I guess the same for tail and skip then? | 21:24 | |
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| Anton Antonov | @lizmat I experimented with "App::Rak" a little. Do you think it is a good idea to have the options `--must=<rx>` , `--must-not=<rx>`, `--inverted` or that is too far away from the style you prefer for that package? | 21:32 | |
| Nemokosch | lizmat: yes, preferably | 22:01 | |
| Xliff | Please do not remove .head, .tail and .skip | 22:23 | |
| I <3 them.' | |||
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