guifa meh, just going with .foo with %hash<foo> //= Foo.new; I think it's as concise as I'll get 01:00
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timo could make an operator like postfix:<++> that just doesn't increment or anything 02:12
guifa timo: true, but I think my final one is at least recognizable if not quite a pattern 02:15
also, I just realized that this mDNS / Zerconf module / project would make a badass talk on concurrency 02:16
I have supplies leading to supplies leading to supplies
and yet the design is crazy clean
udp port gives a supply, packets are processed by the mDNS server and records are put into a set of supplies based on types. the zeroconf module is subscribed to those and makes additional queries as needed to scope out the landscape and, based on what it finds, emits records onto yet another supply 02:18
and the end user just does my $zc = Zeroconf.new; $zc.service-notification('_printer._tcp.local').tap: -> { ... } 02:19
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ab5tract guifa: snazzy! 03:21
guifa I mean, I'm sure if I made it a monolith in C it'd be about a gazillion times more efficient, but so far, it seems more than fast enough for mDNS 03:57
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aruniecrisps @ab5stract tried doing that, doesn't seem to be doing anything it looks like 05:05
ab5tract Boo :( 05:33
Next best thing might be to nuke the whole dependency 05:34
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Xliff Can someone explain to me the arguments for the following call? - go_path_pie_wedge (GOPath *path, double cx, double cy, double rx, double ry, double th0, double th1) 07:23
I'm fine with the first 2, but the rest of them are confusing.
The first 3 rather. I'm trying to write bindings for this in raku.
I think I lost a brain cell or two within the last 5000 lines of Gnumeric/GOffice 07:24
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melezhik aruniecrisps: on my memory zef :from<native> thing always been an issue , I still believe there should be a simple way to declare native dependencies , and this should not be in META/zef, in many other language any library depending on native c/c++ lib just through an exception in any form staying it needs the one, and then `apt-get/yum and friends 09:27
install native lib` just do the job ...
@aruniecrisps on my memory zef :from<native> thing always been an issue , I still believe there should be a simple way to declare native dependencies , and this should not be in META/zef, in many other language any library depending on native c/c++ lib just through an exception in any form staying it needs the one, and then `apt-get/yum and friends
install native lib` just do the job ...
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Geth ecosystem/main: 18a85cebd8 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | META.list
Remove BigRoot

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melezhik I've put some my ideas on how Dormitory could evolve as wiki pages - github.com/melezhik/Dormitory/wiki - comments are welcome 11:52
El_Che melezhik: what do you mean by Dockerfree? Are you running on bare metal? 11:55
melezhik I mean docker or any container are not used at all 11:56
just build from source code and run thing as is on host
and yeah this could be bare metal 11:57
El_Che so, you stick to straight-forward applications with no os dependencies?
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El_Che the no-docker thing is the simplicity for the dev? 11:59
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Geth ecosystem/main: fdae6d45c7 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | META.list
Remove Statistics::LinearRegression

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ecosystem/main: 6ddc3424d8 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | META.list
Remove UNIX::Daemonize

It was a WIP and its tests have been failing for many years already		 12:15
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melezhik El_Che yes, more or less. I think people sometimes overuse docker, where simple `zef install . && cro run` is enough (as an example in Raku world, but the same idea for other stacks).  I mean for production it's valid to use containers/k8s but for dev it could be overkill 12:32
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El_Che just to be clear, is it a framework for Raku or for all languages? And of so, how do you handling stuff like compiling en dependencies 13:09
it's hard to tackle
Geth ecosystem/main: d47270d150 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | META.list
Remove overload::constant

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aruniecrisps @melezhik what do you think is the solution to this problem? 13:26
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melezhik @El_Che - this is for any language framework. Where people need microservises architecture 13:47
I don’t see why installing dependencies could be an issue
Most of the dependencies are handled by language native managers like pip/python go mod tidy /go , zef/Raku etc 13:49
If we talk about system things like databases or any system packages. In case of dormitory all the heavy duty stuff is carried out by Sparky which shines for such a job 13:50
See for example some prebuilt plugins - sparrowhub.io/search?q=sparkyci 13:51
aruniecrisps i generally agree with not having native dependencies as part of META6.json 13:52
melezhik So people don’t rewrite anything and just use it
aruniecrisps, yes that the idea
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aruniecrisps I still don't know why --exclude="pq" doesn't seem to be doing anything 13:54
ugexe why don't you post the full output with --debug because --exclude="pg" specifically has worked for other people and generally works
aruniecrisps $ zef install --debug --exclude="pq" DB::Pg ===> Searching for: DB::Pg ===> Found: DB::Pg:ver<1.1>:auth<cpan:CTILMES>:api<1> [via Zef::Repository::Ecosystems<rea>] ===> Dependencies: NativeCall, NativeLibs, LibUUID, JSON::Fast, pq, Test, Test::When ===> Searching for missing dependencies: LibUUID, pq:ver<5>:from<native> ===> Failed to find dependencies: pq:ver<5>:from<native> Failed to resolve some missing 13:57
dependencies (use e.g. --exclude="pq" to skip)
ugexe fair enough 13:59
yeah exclude indeed seems to have stopped working with native dependencies 14:05
i guess you have to do `--exclude="pq:ver<5>:from<native>"` 14:17
although --exclude="pq" should just work
however i also observe that just --exclude="pq" does not just work
aruniecrisps i do wonder if i basically lose the actual postgres connectivity if i disable it 14:23
ugexe --exclude doesn't disable anything, it just tells zef to ignore looking for that dependency. since it is a native dependency it can't install it anyway 14:29
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antononcube How come? > Sadly it has turned out to be impossible to organize a Raku Conference (neither in-person or online) […] 14:42
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lizmat because Shitov didn't want to do it, and nobody else wanted to take it on? 14:51
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antononcube I see. 15:22
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melezhik . 15:36
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antononcube BTW, there are plenty of unapproved comments of Raku Advent 2024 posts. So, advent authors -- please approve (or reject) the ones of your posts. 16:40
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guifa whoa 17:18
just realized
if my $foo = [call] { ... } elsif $foo == [other value] { ... } works 17:19
I don't know why I was only anticipating the $foo to be valid in the first block 17:20
ab5tract guifa: indeed, that's one of the early "hook" features that pulled me into the language. being able to do inline assignments in a sequence of expressions is totally awesome 17:33
if you *don't* want $foo available outside of the first block, you add it as an argument in a pointy block (if [call] -> $foo { ... }) 17:35
guifa ab5tract did you manage to fix the indirect call syntax for Comma? 18:23
because it looks like it's (kind of) working and you don't know the level of joy that this brings me
color is showing up white (not sure if the intent is for it to match sub calls or method calls, or just be different to highlight it's an indirect) but melikes 18:25
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ab5tract hmmm, not sure what's going on there, as I haven't touched the parser guts yet 19:42
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antononcube @timo The "BOOTException" I a mentioned two days ago is happening when installing "Jupyter::Chatbook" using an INIT phaser. In that phaser a JSON file is ingested that has new lines or to content of that JSON file is expanded in the phaser to have new lines. Without the new lines no exception is given. I could not make a simpler, smaller code that manifests that failure or exception. 20:13
Turned using a class method and a TWEAK is a better solution. And I do not get the exception when expanding the content. 20:14
guifa ab5tract : ah, well, still... whatever changed, I'm super happy :) 20:25
ab5tract merry christmas! ;) 20:26
guifa $*SCHEDULER.cue: { push: ab5tract, @beers.pick(3) }, :at<next-conference> 20:27
so .raku methods... 20:28
for more ephemeral things like handlers, what are people's thoughts? just put a .new and assume it's bad practice to try to .raku them ? 20:29

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