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🦋 Welcome to the MAIN() IRC channel of the Raku Programming Language (raku.org). Log available at irclogs.raku.org/raku/live.html . If you're a beginner, you can also check out the #raku-beginner channel! Set by lizmat on 6 September 2022. |
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| Geth | raku.org/main: c9f9123a5d | (Will Coleda)++ (committed by Coleman McFarland) | README.md Add git fsck warning to readme. Closes #50 |
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| Geth | raku.org/main: a5b27f1e43 | (Will Coleda)++ | lib/Org/Home.rakumod Fix math typo Part of # 232 jubilatious1++ |
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| raku.org/main: 99ce51e62b | librasteve++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | lib/Org/Home.rakumod Merge pull request #242 from Raku/coke/maths Fix math typo |
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| Geth | ¦ raku.org: librasteve self-assigned Raku Recipes missing github.com/Raku/raku.org/issues/231 | 11:28 | |
| ¦ raku.org: librasteve assigned to wayland Issue Raku Recipes missing github.com/Raku/raku.org/issues/231 | 11:29 | ||
| ¦ raku.org: librasteve self-unassigned Raku Recipes missing github.com/Raku/raku.org/issues/231 | |||
| ¦ raku.org: librasteve assigned to coke Issue Opening page has a tab/sample for "Async & Parallelism" - does raku / that sample illustrate parallelism or concurrency? github.com/Raku/raku.org/issues/134 | |||
| disbot | <jubilatious1_98524> .tell tbrowder Your lottery script should use .pick not .roll | 11:55 | |
| tellable6 | jubilatious1_98524, I'll pass your message to tbrowder | ||
| tbrowder | thanks, i'll take a look | 12:03 | |
| Geth | raku.org/new-readme: dc8c4f5e16 | librasteve++ | README.md readme from proto to prod |
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| raku.org: librasteve++ created pull request #246: readme from proto to prod |
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| tbrowder | hm, i don't see the difference between pick and roll explained any where in the docs...i guess i need to look at the Range class | 12:14 | |
| erg, i was looking at the class...i don't remember exactly why i did the roll, but i think it was to a more "random" pick to simulate the way the lottery girl picks them | 12:18 | ||
| not 5 at once, but i'm pretty sure mathematically the pick is the right way to do it. | 12:20 | ||
| draw without replacement | |||
| Geth | raku.org/c-stuff: 396f25d7e8 | librasteve++ | lib/Org/Home.rakumod fix C<...> spaces |
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| raku.org: librasteve++ created pull request #247: fix C<...> spaces |
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| raku.org/main: 396f25d7e8 | librasteve++ | lib/Org/Home.rakumod fix C<...> spaces |
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| raku.org/main: a305cecfdf | librasteve++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | lib/Org/Home.rakumod Merge pull request #247 from Raku/c-stuff fix C<...> spaces |
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| tbrowder | duh, good catch, i see i didn't even check for dup numbers! shows how huge the odds are. to be fair, i only picked one number for my repeating ticket | ||
| and have never picked another since. thanks for the fix | |||
| Geth | ¦ raku.org: librasteve assigned to coke Issue Create a curated youtube playlist github.com/Raku/raku.org/issues/210 | 12:26 | |
| tbrowder | bug report... | ||
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| tbrowder | hm, from the docs i seen no diff in pick and roll... | 12:37 | |
| m: my $rg = 1..69; say $rg.pick(5); say $rg.roll(5); | 12:38 | ||
| camelia | (68 58 5 53 22) (41 61 25 52 42) |
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| tbrowder | and i've seen pairs output from one of them, so i definitely need to check for that. i'll ask ChatGPT | 12:40 | |
| yep, pick is without replacement | 12:48 | ||
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| tbrowder | thanks jubilatious1 | 13:11 | |
| Geth | raku.org/broken-links: 163bdcf1da | librasteve++ | 2 files add IRC logs, fix broken links |
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| raku.org: librasteve++ created pull request #248: add IRC logs, fix broken links |
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| raku.org/main: 163bdcf1da | librasteve++ | 2 files add IRC logs, fix broken links |
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| raku.org/main: 264aa1ad5d | librasteve++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | 2 files Merge pull request #248 from Raku/broken-links add IRC logs, fix broken links |
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| Geth | raku.org/install-spacer: 04bce3ea8e | librasteve++ | 2 files install spacer |
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| raku.org: librasteve++ created pull request #249: install spacer |
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| Geth | raku.org/main: 04bce3ea8e | librasteve++ | 2 files install spacer |
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| Geth | raku.org/shave-eyebrows: 2b4da34cc1 | librasteve++ | lib/Org/Home.rakumod shave-eyebrows |
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| raku.org: librasteve++ created pull request #250: shave-eyebrows |
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| raku.org/main: 2b4da34cc1 | librasteve++ | lib/Org/Home.rakumod shave-eyebrows |
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| raku.org/main: 1e3dff45a3 | librasteve++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | lib/Org/Home.rakumod Merge pull request #250 from Raku/shave-eyebrows shave-eyebrows |
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| raku.org/arguable: fd686fa13e | librasteve++ | lib/Org/Home.rakumod rm arguably |
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| raku.org: librasteve++ created pull request #251: rm arguably |
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| raku.org/main: fd686fa13e | librasteve++ | lib/Org/Home.rakumod rm arguably |
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| raku.org/main: a4ec8bdd26 | librasteve++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | lib/Org/Home.rakumod Merge pull request #251 from Raku/arguable rm arguably |
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| Geth | raku.org/main: dc8c4f5e16 | librasteve++ | README.md readme from proto to prod |
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| Geth | raku.org/main: 8d66f71bd1 | librasteve++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | README.md web.wrchive.org link to old site |
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| raku.org/main: fe175373cf | librasteve++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | README.md link to old site |
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| raku.org/main: 731bfceeed | (Will Coleda)++ | README.md mention the branch that drives the site update |
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| [Coke] | (pick vs. roll) docs.raku.org/routine/pick vs. docs.raku.org/routine/roll - pick says without repetition, roll says each choice is independent | 17:02 | |
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| disbot | <jubilatious1_98524> Yes, "roll" like an N-sided die, "pick" like numbered balls out of a jar (lottery-pick). | 17:14 | |
| Geth | raku.org/404.html: 20034f771c | librasteve++ | 4 files add 404.html |
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| raku.org: librasteve++ created pull request #253: add 404.html |
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| Voldenet | hm maybe docs should be more specific for these two | 18:17 | |
| pick returns k-combination, roll returns k-combination with repetition | 18:20 | ||
| though I'm not sure if mathematical jargon would be helpful, it would be for me | |||
| disbot | <antononcube> "Sampling" and "sampling with replacement." | 18:27 | |
| crnlskn | pulling from a bag with and without replacing! | 18:30 | |
| Voldenet | hmmm, maybe "Pick random k elements from array" vs "Roll k times to get elements from array" | 18:32 | |
| crnlskn | i do think the jargon has a place in the docs fwiw | ||
| programming is mathematical in too many ways to pretend it isn't | 18:33 | ||
| Voldenet | theoretically, but it's also human readable in too many ways | 18:34 | |
| disbot | <antononcube> "Sampling" (for pick) and "sampling with replacement" (for roll) is the correct (popular) mathematical terminology. | ||
| Voldenet | statistical | 18:35 | |
| nevermind that, naming needs to be practical | 18:36 | ||
| disbot | <antononcube> Whatever. The correct mathematical terminology have to be included. | 18:37 | |
| crnlskn | those are "n-choose-k" and "n-multichoose-k" in combinatorics | 18:38 | |
| Voldenet | Yeah, any form of it would be helpful, because it can be searched for | ||
| crnlskn | i think set theoretically we'd talk about subsets and multisets? not sure | ||
| disbot | <antononcube> No. In many cases the order in the sample matters. | 18:39 | |
| Voldenet | there's also .classify vs .categorize – it might be difficult to guess what's the difference | 18:41 | |
| crnlskn | fair, we'd talk about subsets and multisets iff `pick` and `roll` returned `Set` | ||
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| Voldenet | heh, so apparently there are many descriptions for .pick methods docs.raku.org/type/Setty#method_pick | 18:43 | |
| it's a bit weird because they mostly do the same thing logically | 18:46 | ||
| I'd have no idea what this does from the description docs.raku.org/routine/pick#(role_B...ethod_pick | 18:48 | ||
| disbot | <librasteve> o/ | 19:05 | |
| <librasteve> I have just posted the news of the new raku.org website to HN news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45161181 please do go over there and comment ... the more interest this gets the bigger the change we wik get to the HN home page | 19:06 | ||
| <jubilatious1_98524> @Voldenet it meaks you get more bacon 🙂 | 19:16 | ||
| coleman | librasteve: Can you handle the 404 in Cro? | 19:18 | |
| disbot | <librasteve> oh - good idea ... please assign me the issue | ||
| <librasteve> (reads the Cro docs) | 19:19 | ||
| Geth | ¦ raku.org: librasteve self-assigned raku.org/community/irc link broken github.com/Raku/raku.org/issues/252 | 19:43 | |
| Voldenet | I think you should be able to handle 404 by adding catch-all route to * | 19:45 | |
| disbot | <jubilatious1_98524> test | 19:50 | |
| <librasteve> lol - I just read the docs and realised that it was staring me in the face | 19:51 | ||
| Voldenet | I've figured out the syntax for 404 in cro:` get -> Any { not-found 'text/plain', 'not found, sorry' }` | 19:57 | |
| disbot | <librasteve> cool - I will use here github.com/Raku/infra/issues/105#i...3263979981 ... I would like to backport this as a general feature of Air too | 20:01 | |
| Voldenet | > after { content 'text/html', '<h1>Not found</h1>' if .status == 404 } | 20:05 | |
| that works too | |||
| and it supports POST too | 20:08 | ||
| disbot | <librasteve> x.com/htmx_org/status/1964783993129517320 - good to make head grug happy | 20:17 | |
| lizmat | not on BlueSky or Mastadon ? X is sooo 2020 :-) | 20:19 | |
| tellable6 | 2025-09-06T23:18:09Z #raku <tbrowder> lizmat see my new repo with the "bad" dies-ok test at <githun | ||
| disbot | <librasteve> please do share! | ||
| <librasteve> (head grug has 55.7k followers) | 20:21 | ||
| <librasteve> on X | |||
| <librasteve> (sadly) | 20:22 | ||
| <librasteve> any comment on news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45161181 would be really helpful right now (even if you hate it!) | 20:23 | ||
| <librasteve> just a couple of points could get us on the front page (and break the site) | 20:25 | ||
| lizmat | +ed just now | ||
| afk& | |||
| disbot | <librasteve> tx! | 20:29 | |
| <librasteve> umami stats from raku.org | 20:35 | ||
| <librasteve> cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/633...7b212& | |||
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| ugexe | librasteve: we do not have semver, and one of the example given does not do what it is described to do | 21:04 | |
| m: say v2.3.1 ~~ Version.new("2.1+.*") | 21:05 | ||
| camelia | False | ||
| ugexe | there is no way to say "any greater minor version" | ||
| unless you use api to represent the major version and version to just represent the minor version | 21:06 | ||
| well let me rephrase that | 21:08 | ||
| you can't do that using a string literal, which is what exists in e.g. META6.json | |||
| in raku code you could say `:version(v2.1 .. v2.99999)` or some such, but the version supplied there isn't a string literal like :version<2.1 .. v2.9999> which is just looking for one specific verison "v2.1.v.2.9999" | 21:10 | ||
| disbot | <librasteve> ugexe: thanks for the feedback - would you be ok to make a PR to fix this? | 21:32 | |
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| coleman | Review any consequences for our PURL specification (if any) github.com/package-url/purl-spec/pull/550 | 21:39 | |
| I don't know if Purl actually specifies canonical ordering but if it does .... | |||
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| tbrowder | ugexe: is "author" now the preferred term instead of "auth" for tags on distro names in META6.json and zef? | 22:43 | |
| ugexe | author denotes who wrote it. "auth" is the authority. so no | ||
| tbrowder | ok, i get confused over the diff, thnx | 22:44 | |
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| disbot | <jubilatious1_98524> weekly: gist.github.com/raiph/849a4a9d8875...b2eda89296 | 23:24 | |
| notable6 | jubilatious1_98524, Noted! (weekly) | ||
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